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#1 SophieB

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Posted 14 July 2020 - 13:14

It is, incredibly, race week yet again. Exhausting! The F1 wagons have been loaded up and presumably carefully sprayed with Dettol before trundling on to the Hungaroring. It's another sign that the rhythms of the F1 season are out of whack, because in recent history, the Hungarian GP is the last race before the summer break. It's also often been the one where stuff happens off track.  Maybe teams and drivers have too much of an eye on their holidays? Who knows why, but it was here in 2007 that Lewis Hamilton lit the match that metaphorically burned down Ron's house, here where Fernando Alonso casually told the press he'd like a better car for his birthday, causing Luca to denounce his own driver in the in-house company magazine and it will be here where we will probably learn if Racing Point get done for copying Mercedes and if so, what happens next.

 

As far as on track action goes, the track's record for exciting races is a bit uneven. Long regarded as a track where overtaking is difficult, it had accordingly produced years of polesitter takes all races, then had a bit of an exciting period, but I seem to remember the last few have been kind of dull again. Still, live sport means you never know, do you? Very likely to see safety car here at some point, and which has often had very dramatic effects on this track. Lewis has won loads of times around here, often accompanied on the podium by Kimi for some odd reason. 

 

The track, via F1.com:

 

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Almost universally compared to a karting track, you can see why.

 

I forgot who won last year, I see from the stats page that Hamilton did. See? Wins a lot. I'm always mildly concerned he will drop one of those startling Hungarian GP trophies and it will smash on the ground.

 

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#2 SophieB

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Posted 14 July 2020 - 13:15

Please now spend the rest of the week reading the weather forecasts.



#3 TomNokoe

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Posted 14 July 2020 - 13:33

Good omen: Hamilton/Mercedes have never won Hungary 3 years in a row

#4 GoldenColt

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Posted 14 July 2020 - 13:35

Good omen: Hamilton/Mercedes have never won Hungary 3 years in a row

Better omen: looks like there could be some rain on Saturday, just in time for Quali.



#5 Topsu

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Posted 14 July 2020 - 13:35

Max's track.

#6 Vesuvius

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Posted 14 July 2020 - 13:38

Max's track.


More like Red Bull' track, Max only has one good result, last years 2nd.

#7 Beri

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Posted 14 July 2020 - 13:40

The weather here is cloudy with a chance of meatballs



#8 f1paul

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Posted 14 July 2020 - 13:51

If Red Bull don't win here or don't show the pace to be with Merc then its definitely game over. 

 

Hamilton/Merc at Silverstone will be something else and then you've got Belgium, Monza which Merc might be uneatable at.



#9 JeePee

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Posted 14 July 2020 - 13:51

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#10 Goron3

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Posted 14 July 2020 - 13:52

Better omen: looks like there could be some rain on Saturday, just in time for Quali.

A couple of mm's over a 3-4 hours isn't anything to be worried about.



#11 OO7

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Posted 14 July 2020 - 13:56

Max's track.

Like the Red Bull Ring.......  Anyway I'm expecting RB to be far more competitive around the Hungaroring.



#12 Ali623

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Posted 14 July 2020 - 13:56

Really does feel like last chance saloon for Max and Red Bull already now, Bottas needs to bounce back now too, can't let Lewis get momentum. 



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Posted 14 July 2020 - 14:03

Thanks for the evocative intro! I didn't even suspect we'd have a Grand Prix this weekend. 

 

I quite like the Hungaroring. It's a bit small for F1 cars but I'll take it over Abu Dhabi. And just recently, '14, '15 and '19 were crackers.



#14 SophieB

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Posted 14 July 2020 - 14:08

I wonder what they will do about delivering the trophies? The traditional Hungary GP trophies look pretty fragile and that they'd topple off the Scutter-based delivery system. Also Hamilton hates those things, calling it all 'OTT' and 'weird':
 

"It really, really hit me, when I came out at the end there, when you get out of the car, and no atmosphere.
"You miss the fans. It just shows how the fans make a big difference. I really, really missed it for that moment.
"That's usually something you share with those that follow you, and those that don't follow you, and we don't have that.
"The boxes arriving with the trophy, it just feels odd. Definitely a bit OTT in my view, since everyone here has been tested, and wears gloves and all that kind of stuff."

 

https://www.autospor...e-weird-and-ott

 

Aww. I thought they were fun but I see what he means.



#15 rodlamas

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Posted 14 July 2020 - 14:11

More like Red Bull' track, Max only has one good result, last years 2nd.


Red Bull never had particularly good pace around Hungary. They won in 2014 + double podium in 2015 (both chaotic races) and since then it was only promise. Actually the only other time they won a race there was in 2010.

They might come and win this time out, but I still bet Mercedes to dominate.

#16 Risil

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Posted 14 July 2020 - 14:11

See what Hamilton has to say when they ditch the robots and just roll the trophies down a ramp from a safe distance.



#17 SophieB

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Posted 14 July 2020 - 14:16

See what Hamilton has to say when they ditch the robots and just roll the trophies down a ramp from a safe distance.

 

He was suggesting they just throw them to him which brought to mind this recent sketch along the same lines.



#18 alframsey

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Posted 14 July 2020 - 14:26

I’m loving these back to back races! I expect RBR to be much closer here and it will be mighty close for pole position. No telling who will take that but I reckon Lewis for the race win after a mighty battle with Max (which we are still bloody waiting for).

#19 DutchQuicksilver

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Posted 14 July 2020 - 14:41

Except for last year Red Bull has never lived up to the expectations, so I don’t get why so many expect them to be more competitive here than in Austria. I think it’s just idle hope for not having a Mercedes dominated snoozefest.

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#20 alframsey

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Posted 14 July 2020 - 14:43

I’m not sure tbh, I always just expect them to be on it at Hungaroring. Also looking forward to how the McLaren and Ferrari shape up here. I’m loving the midfield battle atm so close and so much talent there. Really we are lucky, this grid is stronger than I have it credit for at the start of the season.

#21 Atreiu

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Posted 14 July 2020 - 14:59

I'm not so critical of Albon for last weekend, but considering what happened at the Hungaroring last year, I lowkey think this is a massive weekend for him. Gasly would have kept his seat if he had been able to intefere with Hamilton's easy open road 2 stop and help Max win. But he could keep up and was not a factor at all. The rest is history and I don't think he'll ever ride for Red Bull again unless every other of their drivers is downright horrible.

 

I have no idea what to expect besides Mercedes and Red Bull opening a larger gap to the mid field this week.



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Posted 14 July 2020 - 15:14

Let's hope Max can lead into turn 1 otherwise it will be a Mercedes snorefest...

#23 Goron3

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Posted 14 July 2020 - 15:45

How many pit stops did we see in last year's race? A two-stopper was clearly the best option wasn't it?

 

One of the things I don't like about Austria is that the qualifying tyre is really good. Hopefully we'll see a bit more tyre degradation this weekend.



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Posted 14 July 2020 - 15:46

How many pit stops did we see in last year's race? A two-stopper was clearly the best option wasn't it?

 

One of the things I don't like about Austria is that the qualifying tyre is really good. Hopefully we'll see a bit more tyre degradation this weekend.

This track is usually all about track position, unless the tire differential is so large that an overtake is possible, as we saw last year. 



#25 ExFlagMan

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Posted 14 July 2020 - 15:51

It is, incredibly, race week yet again. Exhausting! The F1 wagons have been loaded up and presumably carefully sprayed with Dettol before trundling on to the Hungaroring. It's another sign that the rhythms of the F1 season are out of whack, because in recent history, the Hungarian GP is the last race before the summer break. 

 

Maybe the weekend off between Hungary and Silverstone IS the summer break!



#26 coppilcus

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Posted 14 July 2020 - 16:01

Can't wait for the Team Principals conference!



#27 HeadFirst

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Posted 14 July 2020 - 16:28

Thanks for the evocative intro! I didn't even suspect we'd have a Grand Prix this weekend. 

 

I quite like the Hungaroring. It's a bit small for F1 cars but I'll take it over Abu Dhabi. And just recently, '14, '15 and '19 were crackers.

 

A great track IMHO, and it seems like a great city to visit. Just watched the Ricciardo victory, when Vettel was still at RB and Alonso at Ferrari. Enjoyed it so much I watched it again.



#28 TomNokoe

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Posted 14 July 2020 - 16:30

Good omen: Hamilton/Mercedes have never won Hungary 3 years in a row

Yes, quoting my own post. On the subject of threes:

I'm not sure if it's because I've re-watched this race in recent years, or if I've actually clung on to this teenage memory ... but I vividly recall James Allen saying before Hungary 2008 that it was a golden opportunity for Lewis to win his third race in a row, something he'd never achieved in F1 - and after Hun' 08 got away from him, something he wouldn't achieve until 2014!!

Come to think of it, the number 3 has never been kind to him.

He's finished 1st, 2nd, 4th and 5th in the WDC, but never 3rd!

He's lost three championship deciders (2007, 2010, 2016).

Rosberg stole his third consecutive championship in 2016 (finally redeemed last year!).

And finally, he's only ran the car number 3 once in his career, in 2011. :stoned:

I'm sure I could think of more ... maybe Ron Dennis' famous promise of a McLaren F1 if he won three championships was actually a curse. :mad:

Edited by TomNokoe, 14 July 2020 - 16:48.


#29 vlado

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Posted 14 July 2020 - 16:33

Can't wait for the Team Principals conference!

 

Where and how does one watch those ? 



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Posted 14 July 2020 - 16:36

Where and how does one watch those ? 

 

Live I don't know, but generally speaking, F1 uploads that content in their YouTube channel...



#31 statman

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Posted 14 July 2020 - 17:47

last year:

 

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#32 Fastcake

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Posted 14 July 2020 - 17:50

A small chance of rain you say?

 

I have fond memories of Jenson Button winning the 2006 Grand Prix thanks to the weather, so I'm now harbouring a foolish hope that Lando Norris can do the same and steal a win. :D :p



#33 TomNokoe

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Posted 14 July 2020 - 18:16

same energy

 

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#34 OO7

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Posted 14 July 2020 - 18:43

Yes, quoting my own post. On the subject of threes:

I'm not sure if it's because I've re-watched this race in recent years, or if I've actually clung on to this teenage memory ... but I vividly recall James Allen saying before Hungary 2008 that it was a golden opportunity for Lewis to win his third race in a row, something he'd never achieved in F1 - and after Hun' 08 got away from him, something he wouldn't achieve until 2014!!

Come to think of it, the number 3 has never been kind to him.

He's finished 1st, 2nd, 4th and 5th in the WDC, but never 3rd!

He's lost three championship deciders (2007, 2010, 2016).

Rosberg stole his third consecutive championship in 2016 (finally redeemed last year!).

And finally, he's only ran the car number 3 once in his career, in 2011. :stoned:

I'm sure I could think of more ... maybe Ron Dennis' famous promise of a McLaren F1 if he won three championships was actually a curse. :mad:

Tom, I think that post of yours may be one for the F1 crazy statistics thread. :D



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Posted 14 July 2020 - 19:24

last year:

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I remember watching this live an being quite disappointed. It was the first time we really saw Lewis vs Max in similar paced cars on track going head to head, and I felt Lewis could have made that move stick but seemed to not commit as much as he might have had it not been Max. I feel he treats Max with more kid gloves than he does others and I don’t understand why, Max is much more mature than he used to be and I reckon they could race wheel to wheel on the edge but with respect.

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Posted 14 July 2020 - 20:28

This is a Ham/Merc slam dunk, considering Ham has won this race 7 times before to max's 0 wins on this track.



#37 ANF

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Posted 14 July 2020 - 20:32

So you're counting out Ferrari.

#38 ThunderPants08

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Posted 14 July 2020 - 20:36

So you're counting out Ferrari.

 

Are you counting them in?



#39 FNG

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Posted 14 July 2020 - 20:39

Who's Ferrari?



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#40 Fatgadget

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Posted 14 July 2020 - 20:49

Let's hope Max can lead into turn 1 otherwise it will be a Mercedes snorefest...

Even if he leads from turn 1,Mercedes have him covered with alternate strategies. from their drivers.



#41 Gambelli

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Posted 14 July 2020 - 20:50

Who's Ferrari?

 

...thats a bit harsh.....

 

...They are the engine manufacturers for Alfa and HAAS!

 

So they have 2 teams on the grid!!!!



#42 ANF

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Posted 14 July 2020 - 21:05

Are you counting them in?

No. :)

#43 Ivanhoe

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Posted 14 July 2020 - 21:41

I remember watching this live an being quite disappointed. It was the first time we really saw Lewis vs Max in similar paced cars on track going head to head, and I felt Lewis could have made that move stick but seemed to not commit as much as he might have had it not been Max. I feel he treats Max with more kid gloves than he does others and I don’t understand why, Max is much more mature than he used to be and I reckon they could race wheel to wheel on the edge but with respect.

While I agree, you really can’t blame Lewis for taking the ‘better safe than sorry’ approach here. He was on a 6th WDC campaign and you never know if someone’s gonna understeer into you ;-) But I guess Max’ more clean racing hasn’t been unnoticed.



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Posted 14 July 2020 - 22:15

same energy

 

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So that proves that Max is better than Vettel. Max would never get overtaken at that spot ;).



#45 noikeee

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Posted 14 July 2020 - 22:21

DRS has made the Hungaroring awesome in recent years. It's gone from an impossible to pass track, to a have to work hard to pass but it can be done track. I really like the flow of it too, very underrated track design.

If you consider that one of Merc's main advantages is straight-line speed and that's not a thing in this track, this could be good. One of the few chances to get an actual race for the lead in this ever changing calendar.

Edited by noikeee, 14 July 2020 - 22:22.


#46 Ellios

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Posted 14 July 2020 - 22:34

It's always freakin hot for this race, usually last one before the summer break but of course not this year. 

 

If I say I think it will be a hot dry qualifying and race someone with 'local shop for local people' better knowledge will correct me but I'm going for tarmac melting fry an egg on that Merc pole position!  



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Posted 14 July 2020 - 22:46

Can't wait for the Team Principals conference!

Cyrill,Toto,Zak and Otmar pretty please! :lol:



#48 MasterOfCoin

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Posted 15 July 2020 - 01:27

So that proves that Max is better than Vettel. Max would never get overtaken at that spot ;).

That's not Vettel....it's Jean Eric Vergne......



#49 thegforcemaybewithyou

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Posted 15 July 2020 - 04:35

Cyrill,Toto,Zak and Otmar pretty please! :lol:

Everyone having a lawyer sitting next to him... :cat:



#50 ARTGP

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Posted 15 July 2020 - 05:21

Everyone having a lawyer sitting next to him... :cat:

 

:D


Edited by ARTGP, 15 July 2020 - 05:22.