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#1 GuyDormehl

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Posted 20 July 2020 - 14:49

I agree with Lewis that there should be a way to spice up the show this year under the circumstances, especially when there are two races at the same venue.

 

My idea which would save money and scramble the second weekend at the same venue would be to scrap Friday (they'll have ample data from the previous weekend); one or one and a half hours on Sat morning and then qualifying; move the tyre selection up (or down) one level of softness to pose a slightly different question AND for the second weekend make the use of all tyre choices mandatory - two stops minimum and run hard; medium and soft. (This would be useful information for future seasons as an option for shaking up the races a bit without cost/sporting implications)

 

The best drivers and teams will still float to the top but it may alter the outcome on the second weekend instead of rinse and repeat.

 

What do you think and other ideas please?



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#2 blackmme

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Posted 20 July 2020 - 14:53

Improve the show in 202...

Hmmm it's a little bit late but how about those spikes on the hubs of the chariots?  Actually that would work for 2020 as well  :rotfl:

 

Regards Mike



#3 FortiFord

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Posted 20 July 2020 - 14:59

I still think they should try reverse grids. 

 

Given the Merc domination that is expected for the next 2 years, there is no better time to try it. 



#4 Clatter

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Posted 20 July 2020 - 15:15

I agree with Lewis that there should be a way to spice up the show this year under the circumstances, especially when there are two races at the same venue.

My idea which would save money and scramble the second weekend at the same venue would be to scrap Friday (they'll have ample data from the previous weekend); one or one and a half hours on Sat morning and then qualifying; move the tyre selection up (or down) one level of softness to pose a slightly different question AND for the second weekend make the use of all tyre choices mandatory - two stops minimum and run hard; medium and soft. (This would be useful information for future seasons as an option for shaking up the races a bit without cost/sporting implications)

The best drivers and teams will still float to the top but it may alter the outcome on the second weekend instead of rinse and repeat.

What do you think and other ideas please?

Perhaps Lewis should come up with some suggestions. Anything the FIA come up with will be voted down by Merc as they would likely be the ones most affected.

#5 Ruusperi

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Posted 20 July 2020 - 15:19

Race in winter months in Europe. Though I still don't think +5°C and rain will prevent Mercedes from winning. In that case, ban Mercedes. :p



#6 Risil

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Posted 20 July 2020 - 15:22

Improve the show in 202...
Hmmm it's a little bit late but how about those spikes on the hubs of the chariots?  Actually that would work for 2020 as well  :rotfl:
 
Regards Mike

 

Spikes on the chariot wheels have taken the art out of defending. The stewards need to bring in a one chop rule.



#7 Goron3

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Posted 20 July 2020 - 15:26

I still think they should try reverse grids.

Given the Merc domination that is expected for the next 2 years, there is no better time to try it.


I definitely think they'll do this next year, especially as we know that development will be limited so the pecking order won't change much.

#8 Atreiu

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Posted 20 July 2020 - 16:43

There is no way out this year. Next year than can drop scores again to make unreliability less cruel and punishing. Another option for next year is to tinker with tyre choices and/or provide an extra set or two to teams based on their 2020 WCC result.

If they ever do reversed grids, make it based on WDC order instead of ridiculous meaningless idiotic sprint races.

That’s it.

#9 Claymore25

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Posted 20 July 2020 - 16:46

Easy. Ban Mercedes for racing.



#10 Marklar

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Posted 20 July 2020 - 16:49

Easy. Ban Mercedes for racing.

good chances for Verstappen to win all races then

#11 ANF

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Posted 20 July 2020 - 16:53

No more spice, thank you.

#12 MasterOfCoin

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Posted 20 July 2020 - 16:54

I still think they should try reverse grids. 

 

Given the Merc domination that is expected for the next 2 years, there is no better time to try it. 

I would prefer reverse circuits if the tracks permit it.....than revers grids..



#13 thegforcemaybewithyou

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Posted 20 July 2020 - 17:31

The engines are very adjustable in power output. So simply limit the fuel flow of max 100kg/h for the different engines that in the end they are at the same output. The weakest engine is still allowed to run at 100kg/h, the best maybe only at 95 or whatever is needed to balance it with the worst.

#14 aportinga

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Posted 20 July 2020 - 17:39

Have everyone copy the 2021 Merc chassis and but AMG customer engines?

 

 



#15 Anderis

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Posted 20 July 2020 - 17:41

good chances for Verstappen to win all races then

At least Red Bull tends to break down every now and then.



#16 Francesc

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Posted 20 July 2020 - 17:43

Get rid of DRS.



#17 Chillimeister

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Posted 20 July 2020 - 17:47

Easy. Ban Mercedes for racing.

 

Harsh. Maybe a 2 or 3 lap penalty ...



#18 Claymore25

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Posted 20 July 2020 - 17:57

good chances for Verstappen to win all races then

Ban Verstappen after that. :rotfl:



#19 r4mses

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Posted 20 July 2020 - 17:57

It's sports, not wrestling.



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#20 DutchQuicksilver

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Posted 20 July 2020 - 17:57

I always find threads like these amusing. Mercedes have done a bloody good job again, nothing we can do about it. Why do they have to be punished for doing a good job? Only so the spectator can have more fun? You don’t see Real Madrid being punished for winning the Champions League three times in a row now do you?

 

Formula One is a sport and business model, not an amusement model for the fans. Yes Mercedes is winning everything, but there’s more than just Mercedes in F1. Some of the midfield battles are very good and so far the three races this season were not a snoozefest racing wise.



#21 Chillimeister

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Posted 20 July 2020 - 18:24

To be serious for a moment, no-one in their right mind could claim that Merc haven't been doing an exceptional job. Some might say they've been far too good at manipulating the FIA and the direction of F1 since 2014 for their own benefit, but that's another story. This season is going to struggle to reach 15/16 races and in the 3 we've had so far Merc seems to have at least 1sec a lap in its pocket, the team championship is theirs for the losing and the only interest in the outcome of driver's championship is whether or not Bottas can be consistent enough to challenge Hamilton to the wire (personally, I think not) and who is going to come 3rd etc. But DQ above makes a good point, the mid-field racing has so far been good this year. No need to spice up the show. 



#22 Chillimeister

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Posted 20 July 2020 - 18:35

What about amending the tyre regs so you didn't have to use 2 different compounds and start the race on the tyre you qualified on (just use whatever the softest compound Pirelli brought along for the race for qualifying). As long as the hardest tyre Pirelli made available at each circuit was only just capable theoretically of doing the full race distance, then we might see more teams utilising different race strategies. 



#23 Branislav

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Posted 20 July 2020 - 18:53

I don't like nothing artificial. drs, reverse grid etc. even mandatory two compound tires. Problem in F1 racing is in her roots and nothing artificial will help until the core changes. F1 needs reboot.

 

 

Change the DNA and you'll get the show.



#24 Spillage

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Posted 20 July 2020 - 18:56

Add more interesting circuits to the calendar! Otherwise there's nothing they can do that isn't horribly artificial. But I'll enjoy watching an F1 race at Mugello and also Portimao and Imola. The Bahrain 'oval' would be pretty awesome too.

#25 Retrofly

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Posted 20 July 2020 - 18:58

2nd race is a sprint race with reverse top 12 - 8 depending on a ball thats picked out of a hat al-la BTCC. Sprint race is worth half points. IDK I dont watch Formula one.



#26 muramasa

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Posted 20 July 2020 - 18:59

 

80% of F1 problem is Pirelli tyres. 20% is of course aero characteristics, but it was 100% before Pirelli. Pirelli tyre is that bad.



#27 aliefbielefeld

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Posted 20 July 2020 - 19:02

Just nerf the advantage that Mercedes have as much as possible. Like what FIA did to Ferrari and Red Bull's dominance. Mercedes fully prepared themselves to dominate this hybrid era with their unlimited budget and resources. also,with the restriction on testing and the skyrocketing budget for all the teams due to the over-complicated engine rule means that it can only strengthen their advantage. In the end, it doesn't matter if Mercedes quit the sport, for me they're just a soulless corporate advertising machine. I mean if i could exchange Mercedes for teams like Ligier, Jordan, Tyrrell, Minardi, Lotus etc to come back then I would do it in a heartbeat. 

 

Ohh such a controversial statement, yeah i know. who cares.


Edited by aliefbielefeld, 20 July 2020 - 19:02.


#28 pit5bul

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Posted 20 July 2020 - 19:08

Ok, spice racing? I don't understand honestly what is the actual point? how about just giving your favorite driver the win outright cause all you want is to stop Mercedes win. Its not normal to penalize the team that does the best job, this is not participation trophy yeah? i have been watching F1 for over 30 years and there is nothing wrong with the team that does the best job to win.



#29 HeadFirst

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Posted 20 July 2020 - 19:16

Improve the show in 202...

Hmmm it's a little bit late but how about those spikes on the hubs of the chariots?  Actually that would work for 2020 as well  :rotfl:

 

Regards Mike

 

Not if you can't keep up with the Merchariot.



#30 Kobasmashi

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Posted 20 July 2020 - 19:17

Race in winter months in Europe.

 

You could create a fantastically silly championship if you wanted to. Open the season at the Nurburgring in early March, have the US GP in the height of Texan summer, bring back Sepang on the condition it moves its session times in line with the expected daily thunderstorm a la 2009-2010, and have Montreal as the season closer in November after a double header at a drizzly Silverstone and Spa.



#31 MirNyet

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Posted 20 July 2020 - 19:24

Double the size of the diffuser, and modify the fuel flow meters to equalize the PUs between the different teams.   



#32 Claymore25

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Posted 20 July 2020 - 19:37

Now, on a more serious thing I would like the FIA to use this season or 2021 to prove new things.

 

*Get rid of the mandatory pit stop. Just make them start in the qualy tyre. f someone wants to put the hard tyre until the end, that should be possible.

 

*I don't understand why just the firs 10 position are allowed of the extra point for fastest lap.

 

*Change the system point. Winner: 10 points. Second: Nine point until tenth just one point.

 

*Instead of reverse grid, I think a reverse course could be interesting.

 

*FIA should manage prize money better. Around 70% percent of money should given equally to all teams and the rest 30% on last year WCC.



#33 w1Y

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Posted 20 July 2020 - 19:45

Double race distance for the second race with a min 5 min stop in garage for fuel.

Or a constructors only double point tag team race.

#34 Chillimeister

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Posted 20 July 2020 - 19:56

Double the size of the diffuser, and modify the fuel flow meters to equalize the PUs between the different teams.   

 

Hmm. Didn't Ferrari get into trouble recently for (allegedly) doing something along those lines?   ;)



#35 Joefane

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Posted 20 July 2020 - 20:00

No holds barred race?



#36 McLando

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Posted 20 July 2020 - 20:08

Night races! Get your wind-up torches out. We all love that sound  :stoned:



#37 ATM

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Posted 20 July 2020 - 20:15

Just ditch the goddamn allocation rules and let them run whichever numbers of engines, gearboxes and such they want, and wring the neck out of them. It worked well in the 90s.
Oh, and make a standard fuel tank and fill it to the brim, same kilograms for everybody, scrapping the stupid maximal fuel flow limit. This way, if they want to be lighter and go faster, they need to burn even more fuel (within the 105 kg limit of course). No more of this dilly-dallying save fuel, save engine mileage, give me more power, save the stickers, save the daisies, etc etc.

Maybe it sounds crazy, but I do remember David Coulthard sometimes in the early 00s (engaged in a run with Schumacher at the time) saying he was running flat out and that he would have crashed if he tried more. And he was rather convincing, as he did sound and look exhausted.

#38 DutchQuicksilver

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Posted 20 July 2020 - 20:19

*I don't understand why just the firs 10 position are allowed of the extra point for fastest lap.

Really? Because otherwise every car from 11th to last would pit in the penultimate lap to go for the fastest lap. It ruins the etiquette of racing.



#39 MikeTekRacing

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Posted 20 July 2020 - 20:27

ask non MGP winning teams to do their job



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#40 fed up

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Posted 20 July 2020 - 20:43

As usual, you guys are not thinking about this laterally. F1 is broken. You have 4 engine manufacturers and 10 teams. Mercedes have 3 teams including themselves, that means you can discount 2 teams from challenging the host. Ferrari are the same, but as they’re currently in the doldrums you can discount them and their customer teams for now. Renault can’t even beat their customer team in McLaren and neither will challenge will Mercedes for now. Honda have the best chance with RBR, but their hopes rest solely on the shoulders of young Max.

Max is fast for sure, but he is not consistent enough to challenge Lewis. To challenge Lewis he has to be put under pressure. Since 2014 only Rosberg and Vettel have put him under pressure. Max has to raise his game - he needs to be pushing Lewis from FP1 on a Friday through to quali and the race.

While Lewis is chasing GOAT status, he is mega focused. There simply isn’t a driver out there at the moment that is good enough to challenge him.

Get Vettel in the RBR or allow Ferrari to cheat if you want to get anywhere close to challenging him.

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Posted 20 July 2020 - 20:50

Really? Because otherwise every car from 11th to last would pit in the penultimate lap to go for the fastest lap. It ruins the etiquette of racing.

 

Why at all we have that point for FL? Listen to yourself 'only first 10 drivers are eligible'. Every conditioning is artificial thing, remember that.

 

Same for two mandatory compound tires. If I want two pits both with softs who can forbid me.

 

And not to mention DRS. Guy behind is allowed to use it but the one who defends can't. If that's not artificial I don't know what is.

 

And everything because the product sucks. Well, the folks in F1 governing body, you must change the product because the pie is not made of ****.



#42 LucaP

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Posted 20 July 2020 - 20:55

It's the drivers'championship, have them race equal cars.

You can also have the constructors's championship: build these sophisticated cars, test them in the windtunnel to decide the winner and then sell them for charity...but don't race them.

#43 MikeTekRacing

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Posted 20 July 2020 - 20:59

It's the drivers'championship, have them race equal cars.

You can also have the constructors's championship: build these sophisticated cars, test them in the windtunnel to decide the winner and then sell them for charity...but don't race them.

but that's not what this sport has ever been. 

 

there are plenty of spec series for that.



#44 MikeTekRacing

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Posted 20 July 2020 - 21:02


Get Vettel in the RBR or allow Ferrari to cheat if you want to get anywhere close to challenging him.

they did the second one. Didn't work as vettel kept spinning like a washing machine



#45 Branislav

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Posted 20 July 2020 - 21:03

It's the drivers'championship, have them race equal cars.

You can also have the constructors's championship: build these sophisticated cars, test them in the windtunnel to decide the winner and then sell them for charity...but don't race them.

 

I have better proposal. Let's have two championships one with equal cars run on Sunday (Drivers') and one with 'constructor' cars run on Saturday (Constructors'). Isn't that be right.



#46 LightningMcQueen

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Posted 20 July 2020 - 21:04

If they try reverse grids that will be the last time I watch f1. So fake

#47 LucaP

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Posted 20 July 2020 - 21:09

but that's not what this sport has ever been.

there are plenty of spec series for that.


I know, but unfortunately it's the only suggestion I have.

#48 Branislav

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Posted 20 July 2020 - 21:16

but that's not what this sport has ever been. 

 

there are plenty of spec series for that.

 

It's motorsport. 4 wheels and steering wheel. Everything else is subject to change.



#49 jonpollak

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Posted 20 July 2020 - 21:17

Pit stops with driver changes.
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#50 jonpollak

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Posted 20 July 2020 - 21:18

1 must be female or of a non-white background.
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