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#1 cpbell

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Posted 30 July 2020 - 18:46

BBC website has a video of supposedly previously unseen footage from the first GP to count for a Driver's Championship, presumably to mark the latest Silverstone British GP 70 years after that event.  I know I've seen some clips before, for example, Farina shaking hands with the King after the race, but the circuit map showing multiple Royal Boxes, and the footage of the Royal Family entering one is new to me.

 

https://www.bbc.co.u...rmula1/52641917


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#2 Vitesse2

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Posted 30 July 2020 - 19:33

As Newsreel wasn't broadcast on Sundays, that film was presumably first - and last? - shown in its entirety on Monday May 15th 1950 at 8pm. Much of BBC Television's schedule on that day was taken up with cricket from The Oval - Surrey v the West Indians - with commentary by 'Johnners' and Jim Swanton. There was also basketball from the Empire Pool and Sports Arena, featuring none other than the Harlem Globetrotters in an exhibition game against the American All Stars.



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Posted 30 July 2020 - 19:41

As Newsreel wasn't broadcast on Sundays, that film was presumably first - and last? - shown in its entirety on Monday May 15th 1950 at 8pm. Much of BBC Television's schedule on that day was taken up with cricket from The Oval - Surrey v the West Indians - with commentary by 'Johnners' and Jim Swanton. There was also basketball from the Empire Pool and Sports Arena, featuring none other than the Harlem Globetrotters in an exhibition game against the American All Stars.

I must admit I didn't anticipate Johnners and E W Swanton to be mentioned in this thread! 



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Posted 30 July 2020 - 21:01

Not much interest yet, it seems (not that I'm moaning :rotfl: )  Maybe the subject is mainstream and there's nothing really new in this footage in the sense that it doesn't provide any information that wasn't already available?



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Posted 30 July 2020 - 21:12

Not much interest yet, it seems (not that I'm moaning :rotfl: )  Maybe the subject is mainstream and there's nothing really new in this footage in the sense that it doesn't provide any information that wasn't already available?

 

Quite the contrary! I have not seen this footage before (well at least some of it). Thanks for posting this!



#6 cpbell

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Posted 30 July 2020 - 21:18

Quite the contrary! I have not seen this footage before (well at least some of it). Thanks for posting this!

Thanks! 



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Posted 31 July 2020 - 08:21

This is a nice piece of film put out by the Beeb. I have seen the start sequence and possibly some of the action shots before but a lot of this is new to me. Even the royal footage is different to what has been shown previously.  Nice to see Reg Parnell beaming in the background in one shot. I wonder what other racing footage the BBC has hidden away in its archives ?

 

(I bet Silverstone would like to have that size crown on Sunday



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Posted 31 July 2020 - 13:17

Not much interest yet, it seems (not that I'm moaning :rotfl:

 

We just wanted to keep you hanging on. There's definitely footage in there that I haven't seen before. Silverstone's idea of a royal box (built to the standard of their toilets) is better illustrated here than elsewhere too. Watching them mount the scaffold reminded me I used to be a republican, when I could be bothered about such things.

 

One gem is the opportunity to hear Farina's voice. Don't recall hearing it before.
 



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Posted 31 July 2020 - 15:02

Im sure the footage we're more used to seeing is Pathé's. The startline shots are from a slightly different angle - I get the impression that the Pathé cameraman was probably either on top of the pits or shooting his film from the top of a ladder, whereas the BBC man was at ground level. Makes an interesting comparison:

 

 

The Movietone man was a little further away at ground level and if you look carefully, I think you can actually spot the BBC's camera panning across as the cars leave the grid - and at the end you can also hear Farina speaka da Inglese!

 

http://www.aparchive...page=1&b=f0589e



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Posted 31 July 2020 - 15:17

Oh, and for an extra point, what's the error in the Movietone commentary?  ;)



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Posted 31 July 2020 - 15:47

Oh, and for an extra point, what's the error in the Movietone commentary?  ;)

I take it we're not thinking of the  prediction that the BRM would be able to compete with the foreign entrants, the reference to Silverstone being one of the quickest circuits in Europe (I suppose it was if you ignored Reims, Spa and Monza :rotfl: ) or the mispronounciation of "Fagioli"?



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Posted 31 July 2020 - 16:04

 

 

One gem is the opportunity to hear Farina's voice. Don't recall hearing it before.
 

I thought it was surprisingly high and thin, actually.



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Posted 31 July 2020 - 16:07

I take it we're not thinking of the  prediction that the BRM would be able to compete with the foreign entrants, the reference to Silverstone being one of the quickest circuits in Europe (I suppose it was if you ignored Reims, Spa and Monza :rotfl: ) or the mispronounciation of "Fagioli"?

Nope, none of those. A genuine error of fact, which was mentioned in another context and another thread very recently.



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Posted 31 July 2020 - 16:36

Nope, none of those. A genuine error of fact, which was mentioned in another context and another thread very recently.

How many countries were represented? 



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Posted 31 July 2020 - 17:24

I've definitely not seen that footage before. Thank you for posting it. 



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Posted 31 July 2020 - 18:24

Oh, and for an extra point, what's the error in the Movietone commentary?  ;)

 

Nope, none of those. A genuine error of fact, which was mentioned in another context and another thread very recently.

 

"The first Grand Prix to be watched by a reigning sovereign"?  or
"Juan Fangio, the former bus driver"  ?


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Posted 31 July 2020 - 18:29

"The first Grand Prix to be watched by a reigning sovereign"
"Juan Fangio, the former bus driver"

Movietone's report didn't claim that he was the first to attend a GP, just that it was his first time at a race.  It was Pathe that made that claim regarding Fangio.



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Posted 01 August 2020 - 07:03

Movietone's report didn't claim that he was the first to attend a GP, just that it was his first time at a race.

Keep thinking on those lines ... as I said, the evidence is right here somewhere.



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Posted 01 August 2020 - 11:39

Keep thinking on those lines ... as I said, the evidence is right here somewhere.

I'm confused - how can the error be in the Movietone film when it was Pathe that made it?



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Posted 01 August 2020 - 15:52

BBC website has a video of supposedly previously unseen footage from the first GP to count for a Driver's Championship, presumably to mark the latest Silverstone British GP 70 years after that event.  I know I've seen some clips before, for example, Farina shaking hands with the King after the race, but the circuit map showing multiple Royal Boxes, and the footage of the Royal Family entering one is new to me.

 

https://www.bbc.co.u...rmula1/52641917

Thank you for pointing this film out.

Particularly interesting shots of the Alfettas during their pit stops.

 

Forgive me if I don’t take part in the little guessing game.....



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Posted 02 August 2020 - 15:43

I think I have seen parts of this before, either inserted into a documentary or there's a shorter version of this newsreel circulating. But it's not the more familiar Pathe footage.



#22 cpbell

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Posted 02 August 2020 - 15:53

I think I have seen parts of this before, either inserted into a documentary or there's a shorter version of this newsreel circulating. But it's not the more familiar Pathe footage.

I've definitely seen clips of it before, including the chap in his car waiting to get to the circuit, but it seems that the whole film, including voiceover, probably hasn't been shown since 1950.



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Posted 02 August 2020 - 18:11

I'm confused - how can the error be in the Movietone film when it was Pathe that made it?

I've sussed it out - we have three newsreels here
Post #1 has the BBC one
Post #2 has two:The Pathe one if you click on the picture and the Movietone one if you click on the link.  They appear to use the same footage with different commentaries but the Pathe one has been edited to a shorter length - 2'54" vs 3'09"