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[Risil]

What was all that about? Lucky nobody was hurt.

 

What caused them? Why did no one anticipate it? How unusual was this? Does anyone care? Discuss below.

[Amz964]

Have we found a time machine that's put us back to 2013???

[marcainley]

Happened with the Ferraris in 2017 too. Front lefts.

[SilverArrow31]

Pirelli can't handle Sliverstone, but the teams all pushed their look trying to get the hards all that way post safety car.

[NixxxoN]

Could well be due to Kimi's front wing debris. Mercs were cruising upfront

[Myrvold]

It's like touring cars on tracks that are extra demanding on the tyres, on the limit.

This can be solved by running slightly more conservative setups. If the teams don't want that, and want to take it right to the limit, it's their choice. Risk v Reward.

[NewMrMe]

Didn't they all pit earlier then expected because of the safety car for Kvyat's crash? Did they push the limit of tyre life too far?

[anyeis]

Too early safety car for one stop

[DutchQuicksilver]

Reminded me to 2017 when both Ferrari’s had the same issue on the last lap.

[BobbyRicky]

What was all that about? Lucky nobody was hurt.

 

What caused them? Why did no one anticipate it? How unusual was this? Does anyone care? Discuss below.

 

Pirelli makes tires that are supposed to last x amount of laps.

Teams then run the tires for more than x amount of laps, which leads to tires blowing.

 

Easy.

[Yoshi]

Reason will be debris like all the time.. but next week we are going even softer 

[Montie]

Probably a combination with track temp, tire pressure (which is mandated) and cars running very long on the same tires. The left front is the tire with most wear on Silverstone.

But next week is set to be hotter and Pirelli brings softer compounds, so maybe a three stopper next week.

Edited by Montie, 02 August 2020 - 15:09.

[Anja]

Reason will be debris like all the time.. but next week we are going even softer 

 

Correct me if I'm wrong but the teams have the ability to stop and change tyres more than once, right?

[Diablobb81]

Tires should not explode from the rim.

The excuses for Pirelli are pathetic.

[PayasYouRace]

Ironically, Pirelli might be doing a safer thing by going for softer compounds next week, as the teams won’t be trying very long runs on this hard tyre. It was only the hard that failed in the last few laps.

[Disgrace]

Putting Pirellis on an F1 car is like putting clogs on a ballet dancer.

[FirstnameLastname]

Could well be due to Kimi's front wing debris. Mercs were cruising upfront

I did wonder that myself

However, I think the teams just pushed the tyres too hard. 2 stopper was a quick way to run this race, Albon had a scrappy race but still ended up gaining positions.

Next weekend the teams will just run 2 stoppers and stop being silly with super long stints. The front left takes a pounding at Silverstone, and I’m sure all 3 had the same tyre go?

[Jordan44]

Somehow I don't think we will have the softer compounds next week now in sweltering heat

[SilverArrow31]

Are people on twitter seriously moaning that Hamilton should of pulled over and retired... seriously

[Spillage]

It provided excitement but it isn't good enough - downright dangerous. The grip should go before the tyre randomly fails.

[Timstr11]

Lack of investment by Pirelli and they're probably only thinking about the new 2022 tyres.

They don't have any competition so why spend money on tyre development?

The cars become faster each year, but Pirelli stays level.

Dangerous!

[SagemX]

Somehow I don't think we will have the softer compounds next week now in sweltering heat

We still will, teams will just need to actually do 2 or 3 stops

[Yoshi]

Correct me if I'm wrong but the teams have the ability to stop and change tyres more than once, right?

 

Yes but there should be some signs somehow not like today. 

[Joefane]

Somehow I don't think we will have the softer compounds next week now in sweltering heat

Bring back the 3 stopper?

[Marklar]

I wonder how Zandvoort would have been now

[GoldenColt]

Are people on twitter seriously moaning that Hamilton should of pulled over and retired... seriously

Desperation.

[SophieB]

The tyres shouldn’t just go bang, and maybe now we don’t have Ecclestone gagging the teams and drivers speaking out about how crappy and dangerous the tyres are, we’ll see this issue raised in public.

[Francesc]

Pirelli can't handle Sliverstone, but the teams all pushed their look trying to get the hards all that way post safety car.

Pirelli can't handle F1. They were **** in the 80s/90s too.

[Disgrace]

What I wonder about is if Mercedes had an actual rival, and had to push throughout the race. What then of these tyres?

[Jordan44]

We still will, teams will just need to actually do 2 or 3 stops

Maybe they will recommend a hard limit on stint length. Didn't they do that after Vettel's 2015 Belgium tyre failure?

But if the hard tyre can't make it that distance. It doesn't look good for the softest.

Edited by Jordan44, 02 August 2020 - 14:59.

[Massa_f1]

Pirelli again showing what a crap tyre supplier for F1 they are. 

[Celloman]

Pirelli could easily build a harder tire that would last an entire race no problem, it's FIA that has them restricted by ordering them to build tires to accommodate for artificial pit stops.

[Atreiu]

Premature pit stops on the heaviest and fastest F1 cars ever on one of the most demainding circuits of all on a warm sunny day.

I do not wait to criticize Pirelli but I am willing to give them a pass here.

[w00dy]

Pirelli could easily build a harder tire that would last an entire race no problem, it's FIA that has them restricted by ordering them to build tires to accommodate for artificial pit stops.

Which the teams don't take.

[Jordan44]

Pirelli again showing what a crap tyre supplier for F1 they are.

Well they provided pretty much the only moment of drama in the race. Swings & roundabouts

[PayasYouRace]

Pirelli could easily build a harder tire that would last an entire race no problem, it's FIA that has them restricted by ordering them to build tires to accommodate for artificial pit stops.

Yet it was the hard tyres that failed. The mediums didn’t fail, which suggests this is more about teams going too far on tyres rather than a simple hardness thing.

[Tiakumosan]

And this was on C1s, the hardest tyres available. Bring on the 2020 tyres (the ones the teams refused to use).

[SenorSjon]

I don't blame this on Pirelli (there is a first for everything). The tires were run longer than they were good for due to SC's. I believe debris from Kimi's front wing could be the culprit, dropping shards of fiber on the race line.

[Kleli]

The teams wanted the same tires as last year and this year the cars are even faster. The tires held up last year. Not much Pirelli could have done.

[PlatenGlass]

Tires should not explode from the rim.

The excuses for Pirelli are pathetic.

Basically. Teams/drivers will always push because they want to win. It's not about staying out too long - it's about the way the tyres are failing.

[noikeee]

If tyres are used for more laps than they've been designed for, they should progressively lose pace to the extent in which pitting for another tyre becomes the obvious only choice, not just blow up randomly like they did. This is on Pirelli.

[Retrofly]

The teams used the tires longer than Perelli said they could go. None of the tires "exploded" they all just lost pressure, no one crashed or even really came off the circuit.

 

Its down to the teams to manage the tires, they all knew it was going to be tight, Sainz said that after the race.

I hope they stick with the softer tires and at least force the 2 stop.

 

1 stop races are crap and completely remove any alternative strategies.More 2 stop races plz.

[Stephane]

Tyres are not eternal, that's all

[noikeee]

The teams used the tires longer than Perelli said they could go. None of the tires "exploded" they all just lost pressure, no one crashed or even really came off the circuit.

 

Kvyat's car seemed a bit bent.

[registered]

Bottas and Sainz both reported vibrations before

[Jordan44]

If tyres are used for more laps than they've been designed for, they should progressively lose pace to the extent in which pitting for another tyre becomes the obvious only choice, not just blow up randomly like they did. This is on Pirelli.

Spot on

[SagemX]

If tyres are used for more laps than they've been designed for, they should progressively lose pace to the extent in which pitting for another tyre becomes the obvious only choice, not just blow up randomly like they did. This is on Pirelli.

 

The exact same thing happened to Vettel in 2017, it's definitely a structural issue within the tires.

[pdac]

Somehow I don't think we will have the softer compounds next week now in sweltering heat

 

How much notice to Pirelli need, though? It may be too late to change.

[Marklar]

The teams used the tires longer than Perelli said they could go. None of the tires "exploded" they all just lost pressure, no one crashed or even really came off the circuit.

 

Its down to the teams to manage the tires, they all knew it was going to be tight, Sainz said that after the race.

I hope they stick with the softer tires and at least force the 2 stop.

 

1 stop races are crap and completely remove any alternative strategies.More 2 stop races plz.

They actually didnt. Pirelli said 34 laps is the best strategy, not the maximum.

Pirelli has not given maximum laps anymore for quite some time, since the teams would always manage far more than this.

Even if so, if the tyre is over the cliff it should drop seconds in performance, not explode.

[Atreiu]

What we say today was way different from the exploding/violently delaminating tyres of 2013.