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#1 PayasYouRace

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Posted 05 August 2020 - 11:41

The 13th of May 1950. The European Grand Prix at Silverstone. It may not have seemed that significant at the time. After all, Britain wasn't the centre of Grand Prix racing back then. The new Grand Prix formula, "Formula 1", was still young. Old pre-war vintage cars were still competitive, especially in the form of the Alfa Romeo 158 "Alfettas" which were still the cars to beat. Ferrari weren't present, and the new BRM wasn't ready. This wasn't even the first F1 race of the year. But it was the first round of a new World Championship for Drivers, implemented after the success of the motorcycle world championships the year before.

 

This is what it looked like:

 

 

Won by eventual champion Giuseppe Farina, in his Alfa Romeo.

 

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But as the years rolled on, the championship grew in stature. The early inclusion of the Indianapolis 500 was dropped as the sport spread internationally. Africa, and both Americas would join the series, and soon after Asia and Oceana. From a mere 7 rounds in 1950, we now have over 20 (with this year being very much affected by external forces of course). All the way through, two events have stayed the course. Not even the motoring powehouse of Germany, or the very origin of Grand Prix racing in France could not sustain an annual race. But Britain and Italy could. This weekend we'll celebrate the last 7 decades of Formula 1, and do so through the eyes of the most successful nation in Grand Prix racing. The UK has 19 world drivers' championships from 12 different champions, and every constructors' champion bar Matra and Ferrari built their cars in the UK. What was almost a club event 70 years ago has become a huge industry, and much of that industry is centred around an ex-WW2 bomber base in Northamptonshire.

 

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It hasn't all been about silverstone though. It was at Aintree in 1955 that Sir Stirling Moss won his home Grand Prix for Mercedes, and where Fangio would never reveal if he had in fact let Stirling win that day. Or two years late, when Moss and Tony Brooks took the Vanwall it its first home win.

 

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Brands Hatch too has hosted the British Grand Prix, and saw legendary races too. It saw the last win for a customer car when Jo Siffert won for Rob Walker in a Lotus 49 in 1968. Or when Nigel Mansell won the 1986 race, beating his teammate Nelson Piquet and beginning Mansell-mania.

 

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What of Silverstone? It has been there throughout, and has hosted the race every year since 1987. Before that, it saw Jackie Stewart and Jochen Rindt slipstreaming each other. It was Jody Scheckter take out half the field by crashing at Woodcote. It saw specatotors invade the track at the height of Mansell-mania. It saw Michael Schumacher brake his leg. It's seen crazy priests invade the track during a race. It's seen a driver win a race on three wheels.

 

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Yes, Silverstone has seen it all. Engines moved from the front to the back. Wings appeared on the cars, and have changed shape and size. Tyres became slick, and then grooved again, and then slick again. Haybales have given way to runoffs and advanced walls. Coverage has gone from a bit of newsreel film to worldwide live internet streaming.

 

This weekend we'll celebrate it by reliving the events of, well last weekend. We've just had a most dramatic ending to a Grand Prix in a long time, with the leading cars of Hamilton and Bottas having tyre failures almost within sight of the chequered flag.

 

 

I'll now hand over to our usual thread starters with circuit details, weather forecasts, tyre allocations and all the other usual gubbins.



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#2 FLB

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Posted 05 August 2020 - 12:00

What will the stewards come up with to make things more interesting this week?

 

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#3 Pete_f1

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Posted 05 August 2020 - 12:00

To think that basic layout has provided so much great racing!

#4 Ben1445

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Posted 05 August 2020 - 12:01

If any of you can't wait until the weekend for more racing there's Formula E on today and tomorrow  :clap:



#5 MasterOfCoin

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Posted 05 August 2020 - 12:03

What will the stewards Pirelli come up with to make things more interesting this week?

 

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Fixed.... :p



#6 SophieB

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Posted 05 August 2020 - 12:03

Was this the race the Queen went to (when she was still a princess) and has she been back since?



#7 Collombin

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Posted 05 August 2020 - 12:28

Was this the race the Queen went to (when she was still a princess) and has she been back since?


The Queen of the time went, but I don't think the current Queen did - Margaret was there though, that might be who you are thinking of as they looked quite similar.

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Posted 05 August 2020 - 12:31

The Queen of the time went, but I don't think the current Queen did - Margaret was there though, that might be who you are thinking of as they looked quite similar.

Well this is blowing my mind.



#9 Collombin

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Posted 05 August 2020 - 12:37

I might be wrong, just never seen Princess Elizabeth get a mention as an attendee.

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Posted 05 August 2020 - 12:39

The Queen of the time went, but I don't think the current Queen did - Margaret was there though, that might be who you are thinking of as they looked quite similar.

 

Aye I don't think auld Liz would appreciate the drop in protocol the stewards do every race weekend  :p



#11 JHSingo

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Posted 05 August 2020 - 12:42

Might as well get it out the way already. Congratulations to Lewis Hamilton on yet another victory this weekend.   ;)



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Posted 05 August 2020 - 12:44

I might be wrong, just never seen Princess Elizabeth get a mention as an attendee.

I’m kind of stunned to learn she’s never attended a race, like I thought.

 

I bet HM would be a Williams fan.



#13 Marklar

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Posted 05 August 2020 - 12:44

the official hastag (#F170) is killing my sanity

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Posted 05 August 2020 - 12:44

1950 was the only year that a reigning British Monarch attended the British GP.



#15 mikeC

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Posted 05 August 2020 - 12:45

Even in 1950 the celebrities get as much coverage as the racing  :rotfl:



#16 F1matt

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Posted 05 August 2020 - 13:17

Silverstone is miles from London so I don't blame HM for not making the trip, especially as it usually coincides with Men's final day at Wimbledon a mere 20 minute drive. Many of the "celebs" who make the trip to the BGP deserve a knighthood from the Queen for their effort getting there. The sooner the BGP moves to Battersea the better for all London dwellers. What other major sporting events in the UK have the audacity to be so far from the capital? 



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Posted 05 August 2020 - 14:28

Looks like they are  adding a Kerb at the exit of becketts after everyone was running over that soil.



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Posted 05 August 2020 - 14:41

I’m kind of stunned to learn she’s never attended a race, like I thought.

 

I bet HM would be a Williams fan.

 

Just had a quick check of dates and Princess Elizabeth would have been 6 months pregnant with Princess Anne at the time of the Grand Prix, so that's probably why she gave it a miss. 

The queue for the ladies toilets would have been a nightmare for her!  :lol:

 

Regards Mike


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#19 Collombin

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Posted 05 August 2020 - 14:47

The queue for the ladies toilets would have been a nightmare for her! :lol:


Indeed, took her nearly 2 years to get to the throne.

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Posted 05 August 2020 - 14:48

Indeed, took her nearly 2 years to get to the throne.

 

Boom, Boom!

 

Regards Mike



#21 Ivanhoe

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Posted 05 August 2020 - 14:54

Great OP PAYR!  :clap:  :up:



#22 Atreiu

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Posted 05 August 2020 - 15:18

What are the odds Mercedes decide to go for 3 stops for the sake of fresh tyres? Pace won’t be a problem.

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Posted 05 August 2020 - 15:29

Really looking forward to this race ( I look forward to every race), I guess that puts me in the minority. I seem to find something interesting, or exciting to follow each race weekend, even if the race winner is a foregone conclusion. Only race I didn't enjoy last year was the French GP, which I deleted immediately after watching it live.  :clap:



#24 jjcale

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Posted 05 August 2020 - 15:30

4 wins on the bounce ... Merc needs to let someone else win one... say it was too hot for their cars, or whatever.  ... plus if LH keeps winning he is going to equal Michael's record at Monza and break it at Mugello .... and we cant have that.  



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Posted 05 August 2020 - 15:43

Well the queen didn't want them to race in front of her doorstep. Otherwise the London Grand Prix would have happened. So that pretty much sums up her love for F1.

(I know it wasn't the queen but left wing liberals who prevented this idea from ever floating..)

Oh, and she didn't attend when there actually were F1 cars driving in her backyard..

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#26 Atreiu

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Posted 05 August 2020 - 16:13

4 wins on the bounce ... Merc needs to let someone else win one... say it was too hot for their cars, or whatever. ... plus if LH keeps winning he is going to equal Michael's record at Monza and break it at Mugello .... and we cant have that.

4 wins but only 1 1-2. They don’t seem as all conquering as they did at this stage last season.

I’m moderately excited but I am also afraid for a huge borefest.

Edited by Atreiu, 05 August 2020 - 16:13.


#27 pitlanepalpatine

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Posted 05 August 2020 - 16:49

Wait...so the reserve options are Hulkenberg...Di Resta since Vandoorne is racing in FE? Lol



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Posted 05 August 2020 - 17:50

Well the queen didn't want them to race in front of her doorstep. Otherwise the London Grand Prix would have happened. So that pretty much sums up her love for F1.

(I know it wasn't the queen but left wing liberals who prevented this idea from ever floating..)

Oh, and she didn't attend when there actually were F1 cars driving in her backyard..
 

It was neither the Queen nor left-wing liberals who prevented a London GP. 

 

It was the fact that closing public roads for motorsport wasn't legally possible until very recently, when David Cameron's government finally passed the legislation - and even then it took them two goes to get it right.  And surprisingly, neither right wing crusties, left wing liberals nor ecomentalists made very much fuss about it.

 

So a London GP is now technically possible but it remains realistically not feasible for a myriad of social and economic reasons, none of which involve royalty.



#29 Red5ive

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Posted 05 August 2020 - 18:07

Why has this story about Di Resta emerged today - did Sainz go on holiday with Perez or something ??



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Posted 05 August 2020 - 19:01

Wait...so the reserve options are Hulkenberg...Di Resta since Vandoorne is racing in FE? Lol

Kubica too I imagine.

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Posted 05 August 2020 - 19:05

Kubica too I imagine.

 

Well I'm guessing that Kubica would be a reserve for Ferrari/Sauber?



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Posted 05 August 2020 - 19:07

I think the story is that McLaren want to be better prepared than Racing Point were last week.

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Posted 05 August 2020 - 19:18

Goodness me, the races really are coming thick and fast. I'm still not quite used to it.

 

I was massive detractor, pre-season, about the double-header races. Turns out I was massively wrong. Austria 1 and 2 had their own unique traits and I'm almost certain Silverstone 2 will, as well.

 

Aside from the obvious tyre story, I'm looking forward to Vettel trying to discover his mojo after a very sombre weekend last time out. Despite his recent troubles, you never sensed any loss in confidence, but last weekend he was utterly fed up.

 

I'm looking forward to the continuing Racing Point/McLaren/Renault/Ferrari battle. Can Leclerc produce another heroic weekend? Will McLaren optimise last week's upgrade? And of course the "comeback within a comeback" after Hulk's DNS.

 

All eyes on Albon as the pressure grows. He was quick in FP last week. Hopefully he can hit the ground running and score some good points.

 

And the inevitable Pirelli drama ... expecting lap-times to be much slower thanks to the warmer temperatures and increased pressures. Remains to be seen just how much the pecking order is swung around thanks to the heat.

 

Friday again Scorchio, Saturday and Sunday less so, but much warmer than last week.

 

Last Sunday, Grosjean took a set of new Mediums (this week's Hard tyre) to the end of Lap 36, although only 26 of those were under green flag. To be honest, I'm stuck between "the tyre troubles will clear up" (because they always do) and "nailed on two stop". At least it gives us some intrigue.

 

Under normal circumstances, the teams probably would've chosen more than 2 sets of Hard tyres for this weekend, but "You Get What You're Given" as my parents would say.


Edited by TomNokoe, 05 August 2020 - 19:19.


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Posted 05 August 2020 - 19:56

Considering last week's problems with tyres I wouldn't be surprised if some team saves two sets of hards for the race so don't use them at all in FP.



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Posted 05 August 2020 - 21:32

Considering last week's problems with tyres I wouldn't be surprised if some team saves two sets of hards for the race so don't use them at all in FP.

 

You are probably right, but I'm not sure that would be necessary. Had it not been the SC (forcing the early change to hards), the medium/hard strategy might have worked. Depending on the temperature difference between this week and last, and when and how many SC periods there are this week, a medium/hard strategy might work. Depending on what tires a team has available, I would try to avoid using two sets of hards for a 2 stop strategy. I'd go M/H/M if possible. 



#36 cjm321190

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Posted 05 August 2020 - 23:43

Yes but also Friday is goi g to be 30celcius and sat sun 27 c

#37 F1Gui

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Posted 06 August 2020 - 00:43

You are probably right, but I'm not sure that would be necessary. Had it not been the SC (forcing the early change to hards), the medium/hard strategy might have worked. Depending on the temperature difference between this week and last, and when and how many SC periods there are this week, a medium/hard strategy might work. Depending on what tires a team has available, I would try to avoid using two sets of hards for a 2 stop strategy. I'd go M/H/M if possible.


But this weeks M/H/M is last weeks S/M/S and we seen the soft tyre was quite rubbish and only good for 10 laps or thereabouts. Most definitely H/H/M if the top teams can get away with qualifying on the hard tyre otherwise it will be M/H/H.

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Posted 06 August 2020 - 04:50

Well I'm guessing that Kubica would be a reserve for Ferrari/Sauber?

 

For Sauber. Giovinazzi is the Ferrari reserve IIRC. Not that it matter, but Pascal Wehrlein is still within the super license range as well, but of course, he have moved from Mercedes.



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Posted 06 August 2020 - 06:48

With driver changes (not only in this weekend but in general) I think there would be different protocols whether it happens before any sessions or mid-weekend.

 

In the first one there might be replacement from the other team and then replacement driver replaces the one who changes teams but in the latter one replacement driver jumps straight into the team.



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Posted 06 August 2020 - 07:09

According to the German RTL, where Nico Hulkenberg should work next weekend, he will be racing again.
Last weekend they also reported this first, because Nico was unable to work for them.


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may also compete in the upcoming Grand Prix, the Grand Prix for the 70th anniversary, for Racing Point and replace Sergio Perez.

To prepare for this, the 32-year-old completed a strict fitness program - the high-speed course in Silverstone
demands a lot from the neck muscles with its fast curves.
In addition, he climbed into the team's simulator over three days.


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#41 statman

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Posted 06 August 2020 - 07:20

Toto with another familiar quote:

 

Despite all the top performances and the big lead over the competition, Wolff is not yet reassured: “We are really not safe yet: We have just finished three races and Red Bull Racing has always been strong towards the end of the season in recent years." 

 

:D 


Edited by statman, 06 August 2020 - 07:21.


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Posted 06 August 2020 - 07:36

Toto with another familiar quote:

Despite all the top performances and the big lead over the competition, Wolff is not yet reassured: “We are really not safe yet: We have just finished three races and Red Bull Racing has always been strong towards the end of the season in recent years."

:D


He's so annoying, really.

#43 OO7

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Posted 06 August 2020 - 08:06

Looks like they are  adding a Kerb at the exit of becketts after everyone was running over that soil.

I don't know why the removed it in the first place!



#44 monolulu

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Posted 06 August 2020 - 08:22

He's so annoying, really.

Annoying because he’s so successful? Paranoia has served him well so far!



#45 Goron3

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Posted 06 August 2020 - 09:26

As well as it being much warmer, both Saturday and Sunday look set to be very humid (75% humidity expected for Sunday, compared to 12% last week).

 

Assuming that's the case, cooling will almost certainly be a factor for both qualifying and the race. The higher PU modes require a specific amount of cooling coming into the car, so some extra humidity would certainly spice things up.



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Posted 06 August 2020 - 09:33



As well as it being much warmer, both Saturday and Sunday look set to be very humid (75% humidity expected for Sunday, compared to 12% last week).

 

 


I think  that is only the case when there are thunderstorms ( as some sites predict ).



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Posted 06 August 2020 - 09:45

As well as it being much warmer, both Saturday and Sunday look set to be very humid (75% humidity expected for Sunday, compared to 12% last week).

Assuming that's the case, cooling will almost certainly be a factor for both qualifying and the race. The higher PU modes require a specific amount of cooling coming into the car, so some extra humidity would certainly spice things up.


Merc will win it with 1 cilinder working or so.

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Posted 06 August 2020 - 11:04

Toto with another familiar quote:

 

Despite all the top performances and the big lead over the competition, Wolff is not yet reassured: “We are really not safe yet: We have just finished three races and Red Bull Racing has always been strong towards the end of the season in recent years." 

 

:D 

We finished four races Toto  :stoned:



#49 SophieB

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Posted 06 August 2020 - 12:59

@fergieweather

#F1 #BBCF1 #BRITISHGP #F170 OUTLOOK: High temperature again on Fri, ~30C; weekend staying in mid-upper 20's C. A brisk NE'ly breeze develops esp. by Sun, creating a fresh challenge (last race, wind was SW-W). Likely dry; albeit a shower risk Sunday in a minority of f'cast models



#50 Clatter

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Posted 06 August 2020 - 13:05

Toto with another familiar quote:

 

Despite all the top performances and the big lead over the competition, Wolff is not yet reassured: “We are really not safe yet: We have just finished three races and Red Bull Racing has always been strong towards the end of the season in recent years." 

 

:D 

 


It really is just trolling.