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[Peat]

Road America is the latest place to have paved over the run offs - for safety.  Then put launch ramps on them: https://twitter.com/...789691146792961

 

EDIT: On second look, it seems to be a hump in the kerb itself. 

Edited by Peat, 08 June 2023 - 13:26.

[AncientLurker]

Road America is the latest place to have paved over the run offs - for safety.  Then put launch ramps on them: https://twitter.com/...789691146792961

 

EDIT: On second look, it seems to be a hump in the kerb itself. 

 

That has to be fixed. Insane.
 

[Brackets]

Road America is the latest place to have paved over the run offs - for safety.  Then put launch ramps on them: https://twitter.com/...789691146792961

 

EDIT: On second look, it seems to be a hump in the kerb itself. 

Apart from the fact that that isn’t even a sausage curb, your clip does show the real problem, and it is not sausage curbs, it is drivers flooring it off track.

 

(That does not mean sausage curbs aren’t actually monumentally daft, coz they are, but let’s not lose track – hmz, is that an unintended pun? – of what got us here)

[SenorSjon]

Indeed, another runoff so drivers will keep the loud pedal down.

[Beri]

Had there been gravel, then we wouldn't have had this discussion.

Gravel is the solution. Period.

[ThrottleBlib]

Or abrasive run-off areas. (Paul Ricard) 

Zandvoort also does it well (imo) (fake gravel).

[Beri]

Zandvoort only has a small patch directly next to the track sprayed with some resin. Just to make sure the gravel doesn't flick onto the track. The rest are proper and modern runoffs. Gravel combined with asphalt in a good way.



The asphalt only confines itself to the direct trajectory ahead. It doesn't offer the possibility to just go wide and gain a safe advantage. This is how it should be.

[Peat]

^I didn't realise quite how much of the GP spectator infrastructure was temporary!

*I'm using Silverstone as my reference - Big empty grandstands all year round with locked gates. 

[Beri]

Big empty grandstands do cost money to maintain and they deteriorate over time. Temporary grandstands are a perfect solution indeed.

 

I might sound very biased as I am Dutch. But in all honesty, there is no circuit on the calendar who has a more sustainable business case than Zandvoort.

- Less than 5 percent of fans did travel to the Grand Prix by car directly. The rest did it by bike (after they parked their car 10 miles away) or public transportation

- It uses a lot of temporary infrastructure that only is there in place for the Grand Prix and the Historic Grand Prix (usually some weeks after)

- The Grand Prix isnt hosted by public money. All the sponsors and investors are bringing up the cash for the Grand Prix

- The energy used is (apparently) green energy that is provided by windmills and solar parks

 

And combine this with an amazing layout for modern F1 cars (qualifying is one of the highlights of the F1 season, yet the racing is not the best), modern and out of the box solutions for safety (banked corners and already mentioned asphalt runoffs) and the fact that the Grand Prix can sell out its capacity 4 times each Grand Prix, and you will get it why I think Zandvoort is the perfect example for Liberty to look at how future Grands Prix would have to be organized.

 

 

Edited by Beri, 09 June 2023 - 10:28.