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[PayasYouRace]

Length and width are factors that are not helping. Sure it may not be obvious back in the day since they were not filling the volume with wings, but smaller cars have less aero load, and less aero wake.

No, they’re not particularly relevant. The worst cars for aero wake were the smaller pre-2008 cars which worked the air much harder, with all their turbulence producing devices. The current cars generally produce much cleaner wakes.

[TomNokoe]

No, they’re not particularly relevant. The worst cars for aero wake were the smaller pre-2008 cars which worked the air much harder, with all their turbulence producing devices. The current cars generally produce much cleaner wakes.

Is this true? The dirty air gap nowadays seems to be at about 1.5s, whereas it felt like at the worst of the V8 era it was easily under 1.0s.

[MasterOfCoin]

Shorter with more girth is preferable to longer thinner versions, so I’m led to believe

This sounds so wrong.....😂😂😂😂

[PayasYouRace]

Is this true? The dirty air gap nowadays seems to be at about 1.5s, whereas it felt like at the worst of the V8 era it was easily under 1.0s.

Not that there’s such a thing as a well defined “dirty air gap”, but back in the pre-2008 days drivers were having problems at over 2 s. It’s easy to forget how bad things were back than.

 

And anyway, even though the current cars aren’t as good for following as the 2009-2016 set, it’s not their size that’s the cause, but the higher downforce.

[Afterburner]

When was F1 perfect?

I'll settle for "worth watching", personally.

[Paco]

Thank God for Lewis chasing huge milestones and keep it an interesting storey.

Thank God for Max being on form this year even if Horner love affair is a bit much all season. We get it already, you think highly of him.

Sad as it is, still interesting to see where Ferrari have gotten too... Charles trying to help and realizing how important someone like Vettel is. Who knows, maybe Charles car direction is hurting them if they stopped listening to Seb..

[Rodaknee]

I raise your total lack of sources with a quote from an insider that participated in those negotiations. 

https://www.grandpri...ine-since-2007/

 

I'm pretty sure there's plenty more where that came from. I do remember Brawn admitting to as much himself, in fact it was instrumental in convincing Lewis Hamilton to join Mercedes in 2013. 

A second hand quote from an Italian publication. Gotta be the honest truth gov'.

[Westcoustskt]

I belive that to fix F1 there have ho be a concession point system like motogp have.

[F1 Mike]

Large restriction on data from the cars would be the best place to start

[Augurk]

A second hand quote from an Italian publication. Gotta be the honest truth gov'.

Pretty sure it still outweighs your sources. 

 

Maybe you'll feel better with Autosport: https://www.autospor...014-engine-test

Check the date on that, after the rules have been finalized mid 2011. 

 

There were also reports of Mercedes tallying up around a billion in investment in the engine around the time they started using them. But I'll let you use google on that for yourself. 

[Ben1445]

Sebastien Vettel doesn't think it all rests on 2022 
 
F1 has a "mountain to climb" to exist in 10 years - Vettel | https://www.motorspo...-years/4867423/
 
Not particularly forthcoming on exactly what changes he thinks this means but: 
 

Speaking to selected media ahead of the Italian Grand Prix, Vettel was clear in his view that F1 could not just sit back and expect a rules overhaul for 2022 to sort out all its problems.

Asked where he felt F1 would be in a decade, Vettel said: "I think it's a very interesting question. I think first of all, I think nobody would have thought, certainly not half a year ago, of the situation that the world is in now. It's a question of what the world is going to be in 10 years? So I think it's very difficult from that to look at Formula 1 only."

"I think, from my point of view, Formula 1 has a huge mountain to climb in order to still exist and still, you know, attract the fans and share emotions and passion. The world is changing, the world is changing very fast. And I think Formula 1 has to more than adapt.

"I know that obviously there's the regulation change coming [in 2022]. But I doubt that it will be enough.

"I think on a bigger picture Formula 1, has to do more than just change the regulations. We all hope that the regulation change for the sport will bring the teams closer together and will make the competition on track closer.

 

I have to agree with him though. The 2022 regulations changes are only a small aspect of what F1 needs to do to 'fix' itself and continue to stay that way. 

Edited by Ben1445, 04 September 2020 - 07:14.

[pdac]

He's not wrong. But he's probably focused on this because (it would appear) top drivers cannot get a seat in a competitive car now.

[Ben1445]

He's not wrong. But he's probably focused on this because (it would appear) top drivers cannot get a seat in a competitive car now.

And that devalues his opinion? 

Edited by Ben1445, 04 September 2020 - 08:57.

[Afterburner]

Just want to add that even though we had a surprise winner today, I don’t think it means everything is fine. There was virtually no action apart from Hamilton passing slower cars and Raikkonen being passed by faster ones. The unexpected result was nice, but I was still left wanting.

[Docc]

Fixed you say ?

[ArrowsLivery]

Some time in the past when everybody was complaining about the same things- boring races, predictable races, domination, cars on rails, you know who is going to win, the tail-enders can't survive, etc

It has never been as dreadful as 2019-2021. This is truly a new low point for the series.