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[lustigson]

With multiple world champions at greener pastures for next year, I cannot help to feel that 2021 is taking the shape of the 1991 season. Think with me:

• The old champion taking on what's likely to be a final challenge: Alonso at Alpine is like Piquet at Benetton–Ford.
• The superstar driver at the top of his game, driving for the dominant team: Hamilton at Mercedes is like Senna at McLaren.
• The former multiple world champion in a new environment: Vettel at Aston Martin is like Prost at Ferrari.
• The young-ish charger previously let down by sub-optimal cars: Verstappen at Red Bull is like Mansell at Williams.

This would make promising young gun Ocon like Schumacher, reliable hand Bottas like Berger, and Leclerc and Sainz at Ferrari like Häkkinen and Herbert at Lotus.

 

Oh, and if Räikkönen stays at Alfa Romeo (née Sauber), he’d be Alboreto at Footwork (née Arrows).

 

Edit: this is all a bit tongue-in-cheek, of course.

Edited by lustigson, 10 September 2020 - 11:14.

[BiggestBuddyLazierFan]

Mansell was not a youngish charger in 1991

By any stretch of imagination

[FortiFord]

No, not really. 

 

I don't see the links. 

[cpbell]

Not really. 

[HammyHamiltonFan]

Prost joined Ferrari on the back of being a title challenger for the previous 2 seasons and with his stock as high as ever, Vettel is joining Aston Martin having had 2 poor seasons and his stock never being lower, not even remotely comparable.

[F1Gui]

Prost joined Ferrari in 1990 did he not? And Ocon is no Schumacher.

[Risil]

Mansell was not a youngish charger in 1991

By any stretch of imagination

 

He was definitely a charger, and he was younger than he was in 1992.

[lustigson]

I obviously need to add that it's all a bit tongue-in-cheek... 

[SenorSjon]

I think the switch from Irvine to Jaguar fits better with the Vettel to Aston Martin comparison.

[PlayboyRacer]

I think the switch from Irvine to Jaguar fits better with the Vettel to Aston Martin comparison.

Though Irvine was coming off a big high, almost winning the 1999 World Championship.

[statman]

but unfortunately we don't have 18 teams and 36 drivers on the grid...

[Beri]

Mansell was not a youngish charger in 1991

By any stretch of imagination

 

But that 'stache.. No one did wear it as good as he did. I'd love to see that happening, Verstappen with a moustache..

[BiggestBuddyLazierFan]

He was definitely a charger, and he was younger than he was in 1992.

Well you stretched the imagination pretty well :-)

[player1s]

Prost joined Ferrari in 1990 did he not? And Ocon is no Schumacher.

depends what Schumacher you compare him with

[PayasYouRace]

I see what you’re doing but it’s a bit of a stretch. Especially as Prost and Piquet were already at their teams in 1990 and Piquet hadn’t spent any time out of the sport.

[noikeee]

Gasly at Alpha Tauri is like Capelli at Leyton House, except Capelli didn't actually win at Paul Ricard.

[PayasYouRace]

depends what Schumacher you compare him with

Except the comparison with Ocon would be Roberto Moreno. Schumacher would be the young hotshot who replaces Ocon for the last quarter of the season.

[BiggestBuddyLazierFan]

I think he only constructed this fiction only to be abke to write this

Leclerc and Sainz in a Ferrari like Hakkinen and Herbert in Lotus.

It genuinley made me laugh because Lotus was usually dead last of those who qualified

So yes its definitely tongue in cheek with an agenda of trolling Ferrari :-)

[Izzyeviel]

Ocon would be patrese, Leclerc & Sainz would be the Schumacher & Hakkinen, and Hulkenberg would be Roberto Moreno!

 

The only way it'd be like 1991 is if mercedes stormed off into the lead and Red Bull pulled it back in the second half only to choke in the last few races

[Risil]

I think he only constructed this fiction only to be abke to write this

Leclerc and Sainz in a Ferrari like Hakkinen and Herbert in Lotus.

It genuinley made me laugh because Lotus was usually dead last of those who qualified

So yes its definitely tongue in cheek with an agenda of trolling Ferrari :-)

The 1992 and 1993 Loti weren't bad! Then it all went off the cliff.

[BiggestBuddyLazierFan]

The 1992 and 1993 Loti weren't bad! Then it all went off the cliff.

Yes, they were decent in 1992 and 1993 but in 1991 they were horrible

[SenorSjon]

Gasly at Alpha Tauri is like Capelli at Leyton House, except Capelli didn't actually win at Paul Ricard.

 

More like Stroll. Both didn't pit and both made a small mistake costing them victory.

 

Both cars designed by World Champions (Newey drew the Leyton House and became champion later, the founding of the RP 2020 challenger is well known by now).

Edited by SenorSjon, 10 September 2020 - 11:44.

[PayasYouRace]

The 1992 and 1993 Loti weren't bad! Then it all went off the cliff.

 

Lotus.

[noikeee]

Yes, they were decent in 1992 and 1993 but in 1991 they were horrible

Didn't they get quite a few points in 91?

 

Idk I'm going from memory, was too lazy to check Wikipedia

[PayasYouRace]

Didn't they get quite a few points in 91?

 

Idk I'm going from memory, was too lazy to check Wikipedia

 

1990: 8th - 3 points

1991: 9th - 3 points

1992: 5th - 13 points

1993: 6th - 12 points

1994: 0 points.

[lustigson]

It appears that I wasn't so far off... 

[BiggestBuddyLazierFan]

Didn't they get quite a few points in 91?

Idk I'm going from memory, was too lazy to check Wikipedia

I beleive they won points only at Imola where nearly 20 cars retired

And certain JJ Lehto in Dallara scored podium finish

I think Hakkinen came 5th in that race scoring two points

[Rediscoveryx]

I thought this was a fun little parallell to draw. So what if not all details add up.

 

Main problem as I see it is that the dominant team almost certainly won't be surpassed by the up'n'coming (*coughs*) Mansell and Williams during the season.

[garoidb]

At this point of 1990, Mansell had retired and Alesi might have been expected to join Williams, so maybe he can be Verstappen (the young-ish charger previously let down by sub-optimal cars). Vettel may turn out to be the Mansell of the story if Aston Martin can be more competitive than Racing Point. Perez is in the Thierry Boutsen position. 

[DeKnyff]

With multiple world champions at greener pastures for next year, I cannot help to feel that 2021 is taking the shape of the 1991 season. Think with me:

• The old champion taking on what's likely to be a final challenge: Alonso at Alpine is like Piquet at Benetton–Ford.
• The superstar driver at the top of his game, driving for the dominant team: Hamilton at Mercedes is like Senna at McLaren.
• The former multiple world champion in a new environment: Vettel at Aston Martin is like Prost at Ferrari.
• The young-ish charger previously let down by sub-optimal cars: Verstappen at Red Bull is like Mansell at Williams.

This would make promising young gun Ocon like Schumacher, reliable hand Bottas like Berger, and Leclerc and Sainz at Ferrari like Häkkinen and Herbert at Lotus.

 

Oh, and if Räikkönen stays at Alfa Romeo (née Sauber), he’d be Alboreto at Footwork (née Arrows).

 

Edit: this is all a bit tongue-in-cheek, of course.

Interesting comparisons, which, of course, should not be taken literally.

 

Comparing Ocón with Schumacher, though, is completely out of the real world.

[Atreiu]

I don’t see it, to be honest.

[garoidb]

Interesting comparisons, which, of course, should not be taken literally.

 

Comparing Ocón with Schumacher, though, is completely out of the real world.

 

In late 1990, Michael Schumacher was one of a number of young drivers getting close to F1. He did not stand out in an obvious way. 

 

Edit: but Ocon is not the next Schumacher, I don't mean that.

Edited by garoidb, 10 September 2020 - 13:52.

[George Costanza]

Not even close like 1991. For starters, 1991 had a stronger grid.

[Maustinsj]

But that 'stache.. No one did wear it as good as he did. I'd love to see that happening, Verstappen with a moustache..

 

[garoidb]

 

Looks like a 1990s Nascar driver 

[PayasYouRace]

For starters, 1991 had a stronger grid.

 

I don't think there's any way you can make that claim with evidence to back it up.

[masa90]

Now this is farfetched. Really, really farfetched theory.

[Beri]

I'll doff my hat to you good sir!

[Baddoer]

Nope.

[Beri]

Not even close like 1991. For starters, 1991 had a stronger grid.

Going into the season:
3 world champions on the grid in 1991. 2021 will have 4
7 different race winners in 1991 opposed to 9 in 2021

I do beg to differ your opinion..

[Dicun]

With multiple world champions at greener pastures for next year, I cannot help to feel that 2021 is taking the shape of the 1991 season. Think with me:

• The old champion taking on what's likely to be a final challenge: Alonso at Alpine is like Piquet at Benetton–Ford.
• The superstar driver at the top of his game, driving for the dominant team: Hamilton at Mercedes is like Senna at McLaren.
• The former multiple world champion in a new environment: Vettel at Aston Martin is like Prost at Ferrari.
• The young-ish charger previously let down by sub-optimal cars: Verstappen at Red Bull is like Mansell at Williams.

This would make promising young gun Ocon like Schumacher, reliable hand Bottas like Berger, and Leclerc and Sainz at Ferrari like Häkkinen and Herbert at Lotus.

 

Oh, and if Räikkönen stays at Alfa Romeo (née Sauber), he’d be Alboreto at Footwork (née Arrows).

 

Edit: this is all a bit tongue-in-cheek, of course.

 

1)I don't see it. Alonso is returning to the sport after two years of absence; Piquet never went on a sabbatical.

2) The superstar driving at the top of his game would be Verstappen for me. Hamilton is performing impeccably, but I don't think he is at the absolute peak of his powers, simply because he will be 36 come next year. His 5-6 years younger self was definitely faster/better - your motor reflexes, reaction time and everything start to become gradually worse from the age of 34-35. We are talking about a very slow and small deterioration here of course, but it is a deterioration nevertheless. Biology is cruel, but what can you do.

3) Seb is trying to salvage/reignite his career. Prost in 1991 was doing his second season at Ferrari, having just lost a tight title fight to Senna. His stock was much, much higher at the start of 1991 than that of Seb's now.

4) Max in not young-ish - he is young, only 23. He is only a year older now than what Lewis was when he started his F1 career back in 2007. Mansell was already 37 in 1991.

 

I see where you are coming from, and obviously, there could never be carbon copies of F1 seasons/situations. But still, I just don't see any similarities really.

[Dicun]

But that 'stache.. No one did wear it as good as he did.

 

This chap begs to differ.

 

Edited by Dicun, 10 September 2020 - 17:30.

[CSF]

Nigel was born 38 years old to be fair. 

[Marklar]

this is the first time I have seen somebody comparing Ocon to Schumacher

[Squeed]

With multiple world champions at greener pastures for next year, I cannot help to feel that 2021 is taking the shape of the 1991 season. Think with me:

• The old champion taking on what's likely to be a final challenge: Alonso at Alpine is like Piquet at Benetton–Ford.
• The superstar driver at the top of his game, driving for the dominant team: Hamilton at Mercedes is like Senna at McLaren.
• The former multiple world champion in a new environment: Vettel at Aston Martin is like Prost at Ferrari.
• The young-ish charger previously let down by sub-optimal cars: Verstappen at Red Bull is like Mansell at Williams.

This would make promising young gun Ocon like Schumacher, reliable hand Bottas like Berger, and Leclerc and Sainz at Ferrari like Häkkinen and Herbert at Lotus.

 

Oh, and if Räikkönen stays at Alfa Romeo (née Sauber), he’d be Alboreto at Footwork (née Arrows).

 

Edit: this is all a bit tongue-in-cheek, of course.

I love the analogy, but the Ocon-Schumacher comparison needs a lot more finesse to sell me on that aspect

[Squeed]

Nigel was born 38 years old to be fair. 

With a full beard and bear-like chest hair.

[Squeed]

 

I can't believe this site is free

[P123]

With a full beard and bear-like chest hair.

 

And too broad to fit in his pram.

[CSF]

With a full beard and bear-like chest hair.

 

 

Complaining that his birth was difficult for him, despite it looking easy. 

[Beri]

Complaining that his birth was difficult for him, despite it looking easy. 

 

Fainting when taking his first dump.