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[Sam1]

No one seems to have noticed that the crash's with sainz would have been likely to be deadly if there was no halo ?

Edited by Sam1, 13 September 2020 - 13:53.

[SenorSjon]

No one seems to have noticed that the crash's with sainz would have been likely to be deadly if there was no halo ?

NO


Really, at this rate the halo will get the Nobel peace price.

[Atreiu]

Seemed like a close call. I’m not sure though.

I still don’t like halo, but I appreciate it usefulness.

[PayasYouRace]

Better to have it and be unsure about whether it was needed, than wishing it had been there when it was too late.

[masa90]

Yeah I guess it would be been quite close call. But even if I hate how it looks, it works.

 

I just wish they would make it bearable looking now.

[William Hunt]

I prefer the IndyCar solution that includes a screen because the head is not protected now against a small piece that can still hit the driver (e.g. Felipe Massa incident at Hungaroring)

[Sam1]

The debrew that was launched in to saints face was huge and deflected up and out his face it was at high speed it would have been life changing if it was not there hence why I started the post   

 

 

Video took from other thread 

[ArchieTech]

I'm not sure what if anything would have contacted Sainz were it not for the halo, but it certainly made the accident less scary to watch and I'm sure its presence was reassuring from Sainz's perspective knowing that it should prevent a car landing on him as his car went underneath the one in front.

[Dmitriy_Guller]

I don't know about halo, but in Indycar, the aeroscreen already saved half the field from certain death.  Good thing it was put in place for 2020 and not for 2021, we were this close to having the deadliest season in the history of racing.

[Atreiu]

I don't know about halo, but in Indycar, the aeroscreen already saved half the field from certain death. Good thing it was put in place for 2020 and not for 2021, we were this close to having the deadliest season in the history of racing.

What crashes and incidents are you refering to? I have’t seen much Indycar this season.

[jstrains]

Yeah, I would also be interested to know/see

[FirstnameLastname]

I sense sarcasm from DG about indycar... right enough in most crashes now there is someone saying ‘it would have been fatal’ if not for the halo, or HANS or whatever. Thankfully we’ll never know.

To me, it looked like Giovinazzis car was prevented from completely rolling over because of the halo preventing it. Not it’s intended function, but it just seemed to work that way from his onboard.

[Kalmake]

What crashes and incidents are you refering to? I have’t seen much Indycar this season.

Me neither, but it's probably all the crashes caused by not being able to see "up" on ovals with it. /s

[Peat]

I'm glad the Halo is there (now) but 'we' need to stop praising it for averting certain death every time something touches it. 

It's a big protrusion on the top of the car. Far more stuff will hit it than will have ever hit the helmet because.. it's there. 

The Albon thing is interesting as it just shows what an incomplete solution the Halo is. 

[Ruusperi]

I'm glad the Halo is there (now) but 'we' need to stop praising it for averting certain death every time something touches it.

Indeed. If the halo had been introduced in the mid 90's, we would have heard how "Zonta was saved by the halo at Spa", how "Diniz is still alive thanks to the halo", or "Burti would have been killed without the halo" and that "without the halo Kubica wouldn't be with us". It's so easy to succumb to biased thinking.

[Beri]

The problem is that we will always think that from now on out. Look at this forum alone. After every crash where a dust particle even came close to the Halo, people are stating that the Halo had a positive impact on the accident. Despite this being annoying, I think it is something we will have to live with from now on.

[JeePee]

Drivers in F1 that would have been saved by the halo if it had been introduced 60 years earlier: 3

 

Lives saved 2,5 year since it's introduction: 8

 

Uhu. Yeah.

[derstatic]

It's good the halo is there. Realistically I don't think Sainz would have been hit on the head by Gio's car. Much rather have that extra protection though. Scary crash.

[Rinehart]

Interesting that the Halo/aero screen has obviously saved lives in nearly every accident since its introduction in the past couple of years, yet the lack of them barely cost any in the previous 50 years. I did not see that coming... 

[absinthedude]

I did mention it, but I am over 25 so I am of no consequence and my ramblings are clearly those of a senile old codger.

 

Personally I think Sainz would have been hit by something in that accident. It's the first time since the introduction of the halo that I'm prepared to say it saved someone from being hit by car parts. It's not clear cut that it saved his life but it is likely it saved him from injury.

 

The halo might well have saved numerous lives in past decades...though cars being generally far less strong until the introduction of carbon fibre we'll not know for sure. 

[ANF]

The debrew that was launched in to saints face was huge and deflected up and out his face it was at high speed it would have been life changing if it was not there hence why I started the post   
 
 
Video took from other thread 

It's part of the rear wing endplate from Magnussen's car.

[dierome87]

He looked quite spooked after the crash.

 

It's hard to tell. Given its size, it clear that debris is likely to hit the halo. I'm not sure that in its absence, it would have hit Sainz's head. However, I'm glad it is there.

[ANF]

Indeed. If the halo had been introduced in the mid 90's, we would have heard how "Zonta was saved by the halo at Spa", how "Diniz is still alive thanks to the halo", or "Burti would have been killed without the halo" and that "without the halo Kubica wouldn't be with us". It's so easy to succumb to biased thinking.

On the other hand, Indy Pro 2000 driver Braden Eves suffered multiple neck fractures and a fracture above his right eye a couple of weeks ago. His helmet apparently made contact with the track. https://www.reddit.c...terrible_crash/



It will be interesting to see if the Road to Indy will introduce the halo without the super expensive deflector shield used in Indycar.

[JeePee]

On the other hand, Indy Pro 2000 driver Braden Eves suffered multiple neck fractures and a fracture above his right eye a couple of weeks ago. His helmet apparently made contact with the track. https://www.reddit.c...terrible_crash/



It will be interesting to see if the Road to Indy will introduce the halo without the super expensive deflector shield used in Indycar.

This looks more like a failure of the roll hoop than the missing of a halo.

[ANF]

This looks more like a failure of the roll hoop than the missing of a halo.

I guess it was damaged in the first impact. But the halo acts as a secondary roll hoop.

[Peat]

On the other hand, Indy Pro 2000 driver Braden Eves suffered multiple neck fractures and a fracture above his right eye a couple of weeks ago. His helmet apparently made contact with the track. https://www.reddit.c...terrible_crash/



It will be interesting to see if the Road to Indy will introduce the halo without the super expensive deflector shield used in Indycar.

 

Both Road to Indy cars use the same Tatuus chassis which is barely removed from other Tatuus chassis (F4/W Series) that already have the Halo fitted. 

So it's hard to justify why it isn't there tbh. 

Money i suspect

[pRy]

It scares me to watch that Sainz onboard in slow motion. Running straight into the back of that Haas would not have been pretty.

[SenorSjon]

It scares me to watch that Sainz onboard in slow motion. Running straight into the back of that Haas would not have been pretty.

 

Perhaps they would pay more attention ahead it they haven't got such a safety cocoon around them. 

[Ross Stonefeld]

Sainz's "omg, so dangerous" audio is about as animated as when he says the same exact thing when someone runs him wide in a chicane. 

[Pimpwerx]

I think Sainz was decelerating enough, that it would not have been life-threatening, but I am firmly on board of liking what the halo does. It has been a great addition to the cars, and hasn't impacted visibility of the drivers, like I thought it would.

[cpbell]

It's good the halo is there. Realistically I don't think Sainz would have been hit on the head by Gio's car. Much rather have that extra protection though. Scary crash.

Absolutely.