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Poll: Croft, Yay or Nay. (293 member(s) have cast votes)

Should Croft be removed as Sky's lead commentator?

  1. YES (211 votes [72.01%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 72.01%

  2. NO (82 votes [27.99%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 27.99%

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#301 TomNokoe

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Posted 02 October 2020 - 08:11

Don't understand why SKY have or are allowed so many pundits at the circuit each weekend, seems a bit overkill to me. Would there be any harm having a few offsite.

Alex Jacques has been especially good on F2 comms this year, and that's all been produced off-site. Not sure if it's a coincidence.

I'd love to see Sky downsize massively and charge less. I can't think of who really needs to be on-site apart from the odd broadcast journo, Ted, Rachel, etc. Literally everything else can be done from the U.K. Turn build-up into 30 minutes, 60 minutes for the important races. Done. Save us some money!


Edited by TomNokoe, 02 October 2020 - 08:11.


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#302 superdelphinus

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Posted 02 October 2020 - 09:05

I don’t find him as fundamentally bad as legard, or as fundamentally irritating as Allen. It seems the curse of any post-Murray commentator that after a period of time, the great unwashed turn on them and whoever is the current 5live commentator takes over (I don’t mind that guy actually, it could be a good move). I think often people want a better technical, nerdy sort of commentator which I think is unrealistic for a (relatively) popular sport. 



#303 superdelphinus

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Posted 02 October 2020 - 09:15

Alex Jacques has been especially good on F2 comms this year, and that's all been produced off-site. Not sure if it's a coincidence.

I'd love to see Sky downsize massively and charge less. I can't think of who really needs to be on-site apart from the odd broadcast journo, Ted, Rachel, etc. Literally everything else can be done from the U.K. Turn build-up into 30 minutes, 60 minutes for the important races. Done. Save us some money!

completely agree with this. I’ve got no idea what Herbert, Chandhok, hill or any of the rest of the people they wheel out are offering that couldn’t be covered by just one of them. They are trying to replicate the football panel model, and there just isn’t the depth to choose from in f1. I also don’t think lazenby would have survived his stint as anchor in any other sport. 
 

Lazenby - always seems low on confidence, barely gets simple sentences out, always feels on the verge of gafs, does the opposite of putting people at ease. 
 

herbert - I honestly have no idea how he has a job there. Can barely speak, offers no insight whatsoever, just seems to be there for a ‘banter’ character

 

chandhok - seems a bit of a fan favourite but I don’t get it. He is barely more of an ex-f1 driver than I am and talks over people constantly - he was so bad with this aspect in Russia that I had to listen to radio commentary instead. I think he strikes me as someone who has had a lot of unearned breaks in his life. 
 

davidson - the best they have

 

kravitz - also good, but even he seems grumpy and annoyed most the time now 

 

pinkham- seems like a really lovely person, but what does she bring in addition to anyone else? Actually I’d probably make the main team her (as anchor), Davidson and kravitz and get rid of the rest



#304 boomn

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Posted 02 October 2020 - 15:13

Alex Jacques has been especially good on F2 comms this year, and that's all been produced off-site. Not sure if it's a coincidence.

 

I think Alex has been doing well with F1 commentary as well on the new F1TV pit lane channel this year.  I would love to see what a combo of Alex Jacques and Dario Franchitti could do with F1! 

 

Perhaps Liberty could step in to influence these things since Sky coverage is the primary feed for English language countries (i.e. a large percent of their markets) as well as the F1TV English audio


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#305 FLB

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Posted 02 October 2020 - 23:06

I LOVE Bob Varsha! He is so polished and smooth, yet you can tell he’s into it. He is the Steely Dan of commentators.

And he's baaaaaaaa-aaaaaacckkk!  :clap:  :love:

 

https://racer.com/20...roadcast-debut/



#306 w1Y

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Posted 03 October 2020 - 08:28

Alex Jacques has been especially good on F2 comms this year, and that's all been produced off-site. Not sure if it's a coincidence.

I'd love to see Sky downsize massively and charge less. I can't think of who really needs to be on-site apart from the odd broadcast journo, Ted, Rachel, etc. Literally everything else can be done from the U.K. Turn build-up into 30 minutes, 60 minutes for the important races. Done. Save us some money!


They arent going to charge less because they didn't transport a couple of pundits over to the track.

#307 Dalton007

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Posted 03 October 2020 - 09:32

Alex Jacques has been especially good on F2 comms this year, and that's all been produced off-site. Not sure if it's a coincidence.

I'd love to see Sky downsize massively and charge less. I can't think of who really needs to be on-site apart from the odd broadcast journo, Ted, Rachel, etc. Literally everything else can be done from the U.K. Turn build-up into 30 minutes, 60 minutes for the important races. Done. Save us some money!

 

Alex has been excellent.  :up:  On top of his game. Alex Brundle has been very good, too, measured, like his dad.  :up:  :up:



#308 jondon

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Posted 03 October 2020 - 23:24

The right man for the job is just doing that job on the wrong channel: Ben Edwards.

 

Nope. Live F1 is on the wrong channel. Ch4 do a much better job on a smaller budget. They don`t even have to be present at the race to show up Sky`s shoddy and expensive product.



#309 Gary Davies

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Posted 10 October 2020 - 10:38

I must confess I have been watching this thread with some dismay. And I have been wary of buying in because so many of the Sky and Croft critics seem to tackle the subject with seemingly unlimited fervour and vehemence.

 

But what the hell. 

 

I don't mind David Croft and I overall really like the Sky F1 product.

 

Many years ago, someone who I reckoned knew what they were talking about (was it Mike Doodson?... I'm annoyed that I can't quite recall.) told me that the reality of being live in an F1 commentary box is a waaaaay bigger challenge than most of us on our couches with a glass of wine and a slice of pizza can ever imagine.

 

Unlike almost every other sport, motor racing is full-on all of the time and F1 is more full-on than most motor racing categories. So very few opportunities to catch a breath, so to speak.

 

The cars within a team look identical apart from the frequently invisible numbers and the wee yellow strips above the airbox. These days, the drivers' helmets are 60% below the bodywork, they often have similar design jobs and then there's the halo.

 

The camera feed is not selected by the commentators so there is another disruptive element. Pit stops are frequent - in contrast to days gone by - and that mixes up the field much of the time.

 

I am not privy to Sky's target audience demographic but as others have noted, it's inevitable that they are attempting to appeal to both the casual viewers and we tragics who will notice if the Red Bull's rake is 3 degrees more this practice session than last practice session.

 

Then there's the issue of how people react to corny jokes, idle banter and off-topic chatter. The old saying, “You can please some of the people all of the time, you can please all of the people some of the time, but you can’t please all of the people all of the time” comes to mind.

 

Yes, I can understand that Crofty's sense of humour (and Ted's too, come to that) may not be to everyone's taste, but the vehemence (violence?) of some folks' reaction does take my breath away. Glad I'm not in the same room as some of them if they have a gun and after a couple of beers.

 

Yes, sometimes - but not often, I roll my eyes at some of Crofty's discourse but it does boggle my mind that it drives some folk totally ballistic. Lighten up.

 

A Grand Prix weekend, let's face it, is not 100% thrilling excitement and Sky has to cover it for many hours every time. 

 

Overall, I see the Sky product as having a terrific variety of features, clips, interviews and, yes, stunts. I like it and I will say that very few, if any, of the complainers have described how they would approach a Formula One weekend if they were tasked with filling all the content Sky has to provide, race after race. A good lesson for life is to discipline oneself that if one chooses to criticise anything they should provide an alternative plan.

 

I spent my career in marketing and a factor that is mandatory for anyone involved in marketing is to set one's own preferences aside and focus of the needs and wants of the market. It's not what you like; it's what the target market likes.

Looked at that way, I really do feel that both Croft and his employer are making a far better fist of F1 coverage that some people here are conceding.

 


#310 pdac

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Posted 10 October 2020 - 13:44

Nope. Live F1 is on the wrong channel. Ch4 do a much better job on a smaller budget. They don`t even have to be present at the race to show up Sky`s shoddy and expensive product.

 

Yes, but they couldn't afford to pay what Sky is. Therefore Live F1 is on the right channel.



#311 PayasYouRace

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Posted 10 October 2020 - 13:47

Yes, but they couldn't afford to pay what Sky is. Therefore Live F1 is on the right channel.

The right channel for the guys making money at the top. Not the right channel for the fans who actually want to watch the racing.



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Posted 11 October 2020 - 13:49

Only tuned in for the last 10 or so laps of the race today, but I noticed Croft was much more measured today. Just wanted to say I thought he did a great job from what I saw. :up: