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[Augurk]

I think it would be difficult to take as many unfortunate turns as Alonso did in the driver market!  But, had he stayed at Ferrari he may well have taken that elusive third title in 2017 or 2018.  Nothing is guaranteed, but jumping from team to team can also be a risk.

Agreed. I think Max has been trying to be more patient than that and preventing the same mistakes that Alonso made (chasing the "right team" and failing to do so).

 

I don't think means much.  Championship positions are a function of car, driving, and good or bad fortune.  Regardless of that Max is driving at a very high level, so he'll be ready when his car is.

Definitely. It's easy to forget that from the moment he started Hamilton was thrown in a car capable of challenging for WDCs. He only had a handful of years in his career where he didn't stand a chance to compete due to his car. (2009 and 2011-2013).

The current situation of dominance (combined with the lacklustre attitude of Mercedes to giving new talent a shot) is preventing anyone of new generations of drivers to compete for WDCs, which is quite frankly the most worrying and disturbing aspect of it all. Every driver that has entered the sport since 2011 and wasn't in a Red Bull for the the first 3 years or a Mercedes the 7 years after has had no chance to compete. Except perhaps 2012/2017/2018 where the Ferrari came close, but even then they didn't give new talent a shot. They had established WDCs in their cars with veteran (and much slower) team mates.

Edited by Augurk, 06 October 2020 - 09:59.

[Requiem84]

and in one of your previous posts  you also see him quit F1  for a while????  that doesnt make much sense

 

I think it is much better for him to do something outside of F1 if his only option is to drive for P5-P6. 

 

Driving in the midfield can wear you down, as it did for Alonso. If 2022 - 2023 etc are lost years where he (again) can't fight for a title, what would the purpose be? Just go drive somewhere else (Formula E, Indycar?) where you can have much more impact as a driver. 

 

Sticking around to get the odd podium place and the occasional (lucky) win... what good is that?*

 

*disclaimer: this argument solely relates on the presumption that RB would go for Renault PU's and that they would not be able to compete with Works efforts from Mercedes and Ferrari. 

[pdac]

lol Horner is contradicting Marko and claims that Max has no engine-depending exit clause in his contract

 

Horner has not yet realised that, in his copy of the contract, page 17 is followed by page 20.

[Marklar]

I think it is much better for him to do something outside of F1 if his only option is to drive for P5-P6. 

 

Driving in the midfield can wear you down, as it did for Alonso. If 2022 - 2023 etc are lost years where he (again) can't fight for a title, what would the purpose be? Just go drive somewhere else (Formula E, Indycar?) where you can have much more impact as a driver. 

 

Sticking around to get the odd podium place and the occasional (lucky) win... what good is that?*

 

*disclaimer: this argument solely relates on the presumption that RB would go for Renault PU's and that they would not be able to compete with Works efforts from Mercedes and Ferrari. 

problem with that take is that once you leave F1 for a longer period you will in all likehood not return to it later in the same form (and even if you do, others could have taken your spot as the next big thing, etc.), that's why drivers tend to prefer to stick around fighting for P5 or P6 rather than going elsewhere to win.

[Requiem84]

problem with that take is that once you leave F1 for a longer period you will in all likehood not return to it later in the same form (and even if you do, others could have taken your spot as the next big thing, etc.), that's why drivers tend to prefer to stick around fighting for P5 or P6 rather than going elsewhere to win.

 

Yes - so far 99% of the drivers simply stuck to F1, even if they knew that they could only fight for lower spots.

 

But Prost did take a sabbatical at one point and came back to win the championship. Alonso took some time off and is still back. If you're good enough, you're good enough. No need to follow what countless others did before you. 

[ARTGP]

lol Horner is contradicting Marko and claims that Max has no engine-depending exit clause in his contract

 

   I've been sensing a decent amount of discord between Horner and Marko lately....The former being referred to as "Mr. Horner"    by the latter...Odd. 

Edited by ARTGP, 06 October 2020 - 12:05.

[Clatter]

lol Horner is contradicting Marko and claims that Max has no engine-depending exit clause in his contract

Well technically he could be right. The clause might relate to being a manufacturer deal, rather than a customer deal.

[paipa]

I think it is much better for him to do something outside of F1 if his only option is to drive for P5-P6. 

 

Driving in the midfield can wear you down, as it did for Alonso. If 2022 - 2023 etc are lost years where he (again) can't fight for a title, what would the purpose be? Just go drive somewhere else (Formula E, Indycar?) where you can have much more impact as a driver. 

 

Sticking around to get the odd podium place and the occasional (lucky) win... what good is that?*

 

*disclaimer: this argument solely relates on the presumption that RB would go for Renault PU's and that they would not be able to compete with Works efforts from Mercedes and Ferrari. 

I have seen a lot of wild takes on this forum, but this one deserves a special prize.

 

Drivers in their twenties don't choose to leave F1. It's just not a thing that happens. Maybe it does on the planet that you're from, but not on this one, so there's no point discussing it.

[Requiem84]

I have seen a lot of wild takes on this forum, but this one deserves a special prize.

 

Drivers in their twenties don't choose to leave F1. It's just not a thing that happens. Maybe it does on the planet that you're from, but not on this one, so there's no point discussing it.

 

I agree with you that he likely will not do it, exactly for the reasons you state.

 

But that does not mean he is making the right choice. 

 

Perhaps more importantly, F1 isn't in its best shape ever with Honda now leaving. It does not take much for F1 to go in the wrong direction...

[Marklar]

Yes - so far 99% of the drivers simply stuck to F1, even if they knew that they could only fight for lower spots.

But Prost did take a sabbatical at one point and came back to win the championship. Alonso took some time off and is still back. If you're good enough, you're good enough. No need to follow what countless others did before you.

Notice that all your examples are about drivers in high age. With one (Alonso) simply not being in demand of big teams and the other (Prost) knowing that he'll get the best car when he returns.

While Max currently has not the best car, he is certainly most in-demand. He might lose that status if a different driver turns up and sets the world on fire while he is stuck, but he will 100 % lose it when leaving the sport for a longer time, regardless if his form dropped on his return or not. You are recommending him a F1 career suicide.

[Requiem84]

Well good thing he likely will not listen to me anyway!

[Paco]

Notice that all your examples are about drivers in high age. With one (Alonso) simply not being in demand of big teams and the other (Prost) knowing that he'll get the best car when he returns.

While Max currently has not the best car, he is certainly most in-demand. He might lose that status if a different driver turns up and sets the world on fire while he is stuck, but he will 100 % lose it when leaving the sport for a longer time, regardless if his form dropped on his return or not. You are recommending him a F1 career suicide.

 

So I'll call you out on this...

 

If Max wanted out, WHO WOULD SIGN him in 2021 or 2022... that is a better option...   IF HE IS SO IN DEMAND

 

Mercedes has Lewis, Bottas, Russell and Ocon... NOPE    Stable full of 3 fast drivers and 2 good points earners and 1 with lots of promoise

Ferrari has Charles and Carlos... NOPE... Stable Full.  Charles is plenty and equiv.  Carlos will be interesting.  So again.. no door there open.

McLaren has Ricciardo and Lando... NOPE   have pretty much the same result without the huge pay day and zero need.

Aston Martin has Seb and Lance... NOPE  .... MAYBE 2022.. if Seb cant outclass Lance.  

 

Renault has Fernando and Ocon..  NOPE.. and they couldn't afford $$$$ Max and Fernando    I can see Russell getting in there in 2022.

 

Williams has Russell and pay driver.. NOPE

Alfa has no need for him and has Kimi going decently.. NOPE

 

HAAS.. not exactly attractive to Max.

AT.. not exactly wise to go to RB's B-team..

 

So.. how is he in demand.. how does he have options...

Edited by Paco, 06 October 2020 - 23:03.

[pdac]

I think, if that were the situation, Ferrari would hire him, McLaren would, Aston Martin would, Renault would, Alfa would and Haas would. But few are better options for him.

[Paco]

I think, if that were the situation, Ferrari would hire him, McLaren would, Aston Martin would, Renault would, Alfa would and Haas would. But few are better options for him.

 

In replacement of who?  and what would he provide that they don't already have in results and points?  Other than frustrating him giving him less equipment or the same as he has now..

 

again... why say he is in demand when he isn't.

again... what is a better option then where he is now..

 

Aston.. big unknown and no reason to think other then copying will they be better then Mercedes.  So he would still be in 2, 3 or 4th best car.

McLaren have a great pairing, how is Max going to give them more then what they have with Ricciardo and Lando... Maybe an extra 1/10th or 2/10 on Lando but then.. that's not the difference in McLaren getting a win, especially next year...

Why would Renault want Max when they have a better driver in Fernando... 

Alfa have no need for him.. what.. to be one spot ahead of Kimi... Max would do nothing for them.

Haas sure, maybe bring some sponsorship opportunity but ruining of his career for a couple of years...

 

Sorry but the only team needing Max is RB so there is only a demand for fans but not the grid.  The top 5 teams all have great #1s and no need for Max.  Bottom teams even have good drivers except Haas but that's not Haas' problem biggest issue..  They have options like Perez and Hulk to fill their gap until they bring  car forward that merits other options but even then, those 2 bring a tonne to them.

 

Sure Williams could if Max brought Money his way and replaced Latifi but doubt it would even bring Podiums on Sunday in 2021, 2022 and even 2023 realistically and he could even find it in tough on Saturdays with an ultra quick Russell.

 

So again.  Max has ZERO options for 2021 and outside a potential Mercedes B-team Aston if Seb isn't 100% himself.  Cause of Seb returns to his potential again NO need for Max.

 

Max's biggest problem is that there are no options and that the grid at the front all have very very good pairings and #1 drivers in their squads that easily meet their needs for their performance level.  Now if you believe in fairy tail story that all these teams are going to suddenly become ultra good in 2022 yet can't do anything of merit in 2020..  then he had might as well buy HAAS or WILLIAMS and field his own team if you go by all the hype of 2022 equilaizer and how everyone is suddenly going to become great.

Edited by Paco, 06 October 2020 - 23:55.

[Alfisti]

You guys are very short-sighted. Mclaren is not going to consistently win, rbr have no engine, renault just do not seem to have the money and Mercedes will get bored soon.

When leclercs deal is done, I get max in the ferrari.

[Marklar]

So I'll call you out on this...

If Max wanted out, WHO WOULD SIGN him in 2021 or 2022... that is a better option... IF HE IS SO IN DEMAND

Mercedes has Lewis, Bottas, Russell and Ocon... NOPE Stable full of 3 fast drivers and 2 good points earners and 1 with lots of promoise
Ferrari has Charles and Carlos... NOPE... Stable Full. Charles is plenty and equiv. Carlos will be interesting. So again.. no door there open.
McLaren has Ricciardo and Lando... NOPE have pretty much the same result without the huge pay day and zero need.
Aston Martin has Seb and Lance... NOPE .... MAYBE 2022.. if Seb cant outclass Lance.

Renault has Fernando and Ocon.. NOPE.. and they couldn't afford $$$$ Max and Fernando I can see Russell getting in there in 2022.

Williams has Russell and pay driver.. NOPE
Alfa has no need for him and has Kimi going decently.. NOPE

HAAS.. not exactly attractive to Max.
AT.. not exactly wise to go to RB's B-team..

So.. how is he in demand.. how does he have options...

If Lewis leaves he will be the first Merc would call.

Probably the same at Ferrari if Leclerc decides to piss off, despite what he said about their engine.

And any other team too, though I presume those are not interesting to him.

With most in-demand I dont mean that a team would fire their driver for him, but that he would be the first option to consider if a top team loses a top driver. And no doubt Merc will not take Russell or Ocon over him if the 2nd seat is occupied by Bottas and Lewis retires.

[shure]

In replacement of who?  and what would he provide that they don't already have in results and points?  Other than frustrating him giving him less equipment or the same as he has now..

 

again... why say he is in demand when he isn't.

again... what is a better option then where he is now..

 

Aston.. big unknown and no reason to think other then copying will they be better then Mercedes.  So he would still be in 2, 3 or 4th best car.

McLaren have a great pairing, how is Max going to give them more then what they have with Ricciardo and Lando... Maybe an extra 1/10th or 2/10 on Lando but then.. that's not the difference in McLaren getting a win, especially next year...

Why would Renault want Max when they have a better driver in Fernando... 

Alfa have no need for him.. what.. to be one spot ahead of Kimi... Max would do nothing for them.

Haas sure, maybe bring some sponsorship opportunity but ruining of his career for a couple of years...

 

Sorry but the only team needing Max is RB so there is only a demand for fans but not the grid.  The top 5 teams all have great #1s and no need for Max.  Bottom teams even have good drivers except Haas but that's not Haas' problem biggest issue..  They have options like Perez and Hulk to fill their gap until they bring  car forward that merits other options but even then, those 2 bring a tonne to them.

 

Sure Williams could if Max brought Money his way and replaced Latifi but doubt it would even bring Podiums on Sunday in 2021, 2022 and even 2023 realistically and he could even find it in tough on Saturdays with an ultra quick Russell.

 

So again.  Max has ZERO options for 2021 and outside a potential Mercedes B-team Aston if Seb isn't 100% himself.  Cause of Seb returns to his potential again NO need for Max.

 

Max's biggest problem is that there are no options and that the grid at the front all have very very good pairings and #1 drivers in their squads that easily meet their needs for their performance level.  Now if you believe in fairy tail story that all these teams are going to suddenly become ultra good in 2022 yet can't do anything of merit in 2020..  then he had might as well buy HAAS or WILLIAMS and field his own team if you go by all the hype of 2022 equilaizer and how everyone is suddenly going to become great.

You could use pretty much an identical argument to say that Hamilton has zero options outside Mercedes but that doesn't stop them throwing money at him in an effort to make him stay.  Circumstances can and do change and when a top driver appears on the market I think most teams at least consider them.  Otherwise Alonso wouldn't be coming back next year, or Vettel wouldn't have gotten the RP seat

 

It's at least arguable that Red Bull are only second in the WCC because of Max, while Ferrari would have been soundly beaten by AT at least by now if not for Leclerc performing minor miracles, so they show the value of having a top driver in their cars.  If eg McLaren or RP had had Max this year they might have been second in the WCC for all we know.  

 

That said, I don't see many attractive options for Max.  For all that some have said this year's RB has a poor chassis, they are still managing to beat everyone else bar Mercedes, so it's all relative.  Where's he going to go that will offer him the chance of wins?  Mercedes and Ferrari are the only realistic options which would be an improvement on his current setup - anything else would be a downgrade IMO.  And with Bottas hanging onto his seat by the skin of his teeth it's probably the most realistic prospect for him in the longer term.  Maybe not next year, but certainly possible after that.

[SenorSjon]

So I'll call you out on this...

 

If Max wanted out, WHO WOULD SIGN him in 2021 or 2022... that is a better option...   IF HE IS SO IN DEMAND

 

Mercedes has Lewis, Bottas, Russell and Ocon... NOPE    Stable full of 3 fast drivers and 2 good points earners and 1 with lots of promoise

Ferrari has Charles and Carlos... NOPE... Stable Full.  Charles is plenty and equiv.  Carlos will be interesting.  So again.. no door there open.

McLaren has Ricciardo and Lando... NOPE   have pretty much the same result without the huge pay day and zero need.

Aston Martin has Seb and Lance... NOPE  .... MAYBE 2022.. if Seb cant outclass Lance.  

 

Renault has Fernando and Ocon..  NOPE.. and they couldn't afford $$$$ Max and Fernando    I can see Russell getting in there in 2022.

 

Williams has Russell and pay driver.. NOPE

Alfa has no need for him and has Kimi going decently.. NOPE

 

HAAS.. not exactly attractive to Max.

AT.. not exactly wise to go to RB's B-team..

 

So.. how is he in demand.. how does he have options...

 

Ocon or Russell won't replace a Lewis at Mercedes. It makes the team way too vurnerable. Imagine Bottas and Ocon/Russel at Mercedes this year? Verstappen would have stood a fighting chance, especially considering he has 3 DNF's to his name.

[DeKnyff]

In replacement of who?  and what would he provide that they don't already have in results and points?  Other than frustrating him giving him less equipment or the same as he has now..

 

again... why say he is in demand when he isn't.

again... what is a better option then where he is now..

 

Aston.. big unknown and no reason to think other then copying will they be better then Mercedes.  So he would still be in 2, 3 or 4th best car.

McLaren have a great pairing, how is Max going to give them more then what they have with Ricciardo and Lando... Maybe an extra 1/10th or 2/10 on Lando but then.. that's not the difference in McLaren getting a win, especially next year...

Why would Renault want Max when they have a better driver in Fernando... 

Alfa have no need for him.. what.. to be one spot ahead of Kimi... Max would do nothing for them.

Haas sure, maybe bring some sponsorship opportunity but ruining of his career for a couple of years...

 

Sorry but the only team needing Max is RB so there is only a demand for fans but not the grid.  The top 5 teams all have great #1s and no need for Max.  Bottom teams even have good drivers except Haas but that's not Haas' problem biggest issue..  They have options like Perez and Hulk to fill their gap until they bring  car forward that merits other options but even then, those 2 bring a tonne to them.

 

Sure Williams could if Max brought Money his way and replaced Latifi but doubt it would even bring Podiums on Sunday in 2021, 2022 and even 2023 realistically and he could even find it in tough on Saturdays with an ultra quick Russell.

 

So again.  Max has ZERO options for 2021 and outside a potential Mercedes B-team Aston if Seb isn't 100% himself.  Cause of Seb returns to his potential again NO need for Max.

 

Max's biggest problem is that there are no options and that the grid at the front all have very very good pairings and #1 drivers in their squads that easily meet their needs for their performance level.  Now if you believe in fairy tail story that all these teams are going to suddenly become ultra good in 2022 yet can't do anything of merit in 2020..  then he had might as well buy HAAS or WILLIAMS and field his own team if you go by all the hype of 2022 equilaizer and how everyone is suddenly going to become great.

 

But all that is because Max has always seemed to be tied to Red Bull. If he became available to the market, he would immediately get offers from all teams, barring Mercedes (unless they believed Lewis was leaving the sport in short time). I don't think an ageing Alonso, a discredited Vettel, an already beat (by Max) Ricciardo, an unproven Russell or second tier drivers like Bottas, Sainz or Ocon would be an obstacle. There would always be a method to rearrange the contracts. Provided, of course, that those teams had the means to pay him a sizeable salary and to build a winning car.

 

My only doubt is Ferrari. I think they will stick to Leclerc in the short time, but if he doesn't fulfil the expectancies, pressure will mount (as it always happens in Maranello) to find a replacement.

[fed up]

But all that is because Max has always seemed to be tied to Red Bull. If he became available to the market, he would immediately get offers from all teams, barring Mercedes (unless they believed Lewis was leaving the sport in short time). I don't think an ageing Alonso, a discredited Vettel, an already beat (by Max) Ricciardo, an unproven Russell or second tier drivers like Bottas, Sainz or Ocon would be an obstacle. There would always be a method to rearrange the contracts. Provided, of course, that those teams had the means to pay him a sizeable salary and to build a winning car.

 

My only doubt is Ferrari. I think they will stick to Leclerc in the short time, but if he doesn't fulfil the expectancies, pressure will mount (as it always happens in Maranello) to find a replacement.

 

Which narrows this down to 3 teams: Ferrari, Mercedes & RBR

[noriaki]

So I'll call you out on this...

If Max wanted out, WHO WOULD SIGN him in 2021 or 2022... that is a better option... IF HE IS SO IN DEMAND

Mercedes has Lewis, Bottas, Russell and Ocon... NOPE Stable full of 3 fast drivers and 2 good points earners and 1 with lots of promoise
Ferrari has Charles and Carlos... NOPE... Stable Full. Charles is plenty and equiv. Carlos will be interesting. So again.. no door there open.
McLaren has Ricciardo and Lando... NOPE have pretty much the same result without the huge pay day and zero need.
Aston Martin has Seb and Lance... NOPE .... MAYBE 2022.. if Seb cant outclass Lance.

Renault has Fernando and Ocon.. NOPE.. and they couldn't afford $$$$ Max and Fernando I can see Russell getting in there in 2022.

Williams has Russell and pay driver.. NOPE
Alfa has no need for him and has Kimi going decently.. NOPE

HAAS.. not exactly attractive to Max.
AT.. not exactly wise to go to RB's B-team..

So.. how is he in demand.. how does he have options...

I mean I am not a Max fan, far from it. But a post saying Alfa bloody Romeo would have 0 interest in replacing 68 year old Kimi Raikkonen with Max Verstappen should the option somehow become available has to be a contender for the most deluded post this year.

[DeKnyff]

Which narrows this down to 3 teams: Ferrari, Mercedes & RBR

Yeah, but not because Max wasn't a desirable driver for other teams (as said the post I was answering to).

[fed up]

Yeah, but not because Max wasn't a desirable driver for other teams (as said the post I was answering to).

 

Max will be desirable for pretty much every team on the grid bar Ferrari. Having an interest and being able to do anything about it or expect Max to have a reciprocal interest is another thing in of itself. Max wouldn't want to go to Alfa nor would they be able to afford his salary or provide him with a competitive car. So the point is moot.

 

There are 3 teams that can afford him and he's already in one of them, RBR. Ferrari can but they tend to stick with drivers for the long term and I'm not sure Max's cheating comments will endear him to them in the future. That leaves Mercedes - this opportunity relies on what another driver does, so the option may be there or may not. Max is not in control in that situation.

 

He is in control at RBR at least until the end of 2023 and common sense dictates that he'll see that contract out, unless....

[PlayboyRacer]

Max will be desirable for pretty much every team on the grid bar Ferrari. Having an interest and being able to do anything about it or expect Max to have a reciprocal interest is another thing in of itself. Max wouldn't want to go to Alfa nor would they be able to afford his salary or provide him with a competitive car. So the point is moot.

There are 3 teams that can afford him and he's already in one of them

4 actually. I'd include Renault and certainly they could be a future option for Verstappen.

[Sid04]

I think there can be a lot of development by mid 2021..what engine RBR chooses, how does all the driver swap happening next year turns out..what kind of contract Lewis signs..So, by mid next year Max will have a much better idea of the whole scenario and only other site I see for Max to be desirable in 2021 other than RB and Merc shall be Mclaren..as Lando probably will be the easiest replacement out of his 4 likely switch options...

My money is on Max staying tight at RB till 2022 end and then signing the next contract possibly with Merc/Ferrari.

Edited by Sid04, 07 October 2020 - 12:22.

[Paco]

If Lewis leaves he will be the first Merc would call.

Probably the same at Ferrari if Leclerc decides to piss off, despite what he said about their engine.

And any other team too, though I presume those are not interesting to him.

With most in-demand I dont mean that a team would fire their driver for him, but that he would be the first option to consider if a top team loses a top driver. And no doubt Merc will not take Russell or Ocon over him if the 2nd seat is occupied by Bottas and Lewis retires.

 

Where would Charles to piss off too and frankly, he is a Ferrari guy through and through and willing to see the project through for a significant while..  

 

Its nice to live in dream land but if we look at reality and what the options to him its very far and few in between that will be better then RB or that people would want him.   No team will want him and prevent him from winning or a chance at winning.  So its nice to believe he is in demand but he isn't.  Cause the grid is quite full right now of very very high talented drivers and even 2 on looking for drives that are very good themselves.

 

So yeah, Max is top talent but to say he is in demand is just not true.  No one but RB are looking at him right now and no one would give him a better opportunity then RB for at least 3 years.  Then, Ferrari should be back up with Charles and may even have Mick ready to partner him.  So Ferrari a no go.  Mercedes should be on the decline.  So no go their.  Renault have Fernando.. so no go there.  So this suggestion he is in demand isn't based on fact.  McLaren have Dan and Lando.   Aston have Seb who is still youngish.  So all the best teams have very capable drivers and DON"T need Max for the near forseeable future.

 

He went all in with RB and it is what it is..  Lewis hasn't declined.  Seb nailed the Aston.  Ricciardo nailed the McLaren and Fernando nailed the Renault.  He's caught the short end of the stick in RB with a customer engine and chassis squad that can't right the ship.  It happens more often then not. just as Fernando and Seb about jumping to a project that didn't work out.

Edited by Paco, 07 October 2020 - 14:17.

[Hakki069]

https://www.gpblog.c...ng-blocks-.html

Wolff rejects Verstappen?

Belive it when I see it. Russell and Ocon at front of the queue if there's a change

[Paco]

Guess he isn’t as in demand as some think... Mecedes don’t need Max just as Ferrari and McLaren and Renault don’t.

[Clrnc]

Its my dream to see Max in Mercedes. He will push Lewis to a height never seen before. 

 

Or of course RBR hire a proper driver alongside Max. 

[Requiem84]

Guess he isn’t as in demand as some think... Mecedes don’t need Max just as Ferrari and McLaren and Renault don’t.

Toto ‘Red Bull will really challenge us this wknd’ Wolff.

Are you still buying his words?

[Marklar]

Wolff probably knows that Lewis is staying a couple of more years, so easy to pretend then that they see Ocon/Russell as their future.

[Clatter]

Wolff probably knows that Lewis is staying a couple of more years, so easy to pretend then that they see Ocon/Russell as their future.

He isn't like to say anything different as he will want to keep them keen and on the books.