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#1 GoldenColt

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Posted 11 October 2020 - 13:49

So, this is it. I remember when Michael retired for the first time, I, as many others, assumed we would never see another driver get even close to these records. Alonso looked like he could maybe do so after winning back to back championships, but then his career nosedived at McLaren and his move back to Renault wasn’t much of a success either, costing him another two valuable years of his prime. Then Sebastian Vettel started racking up those wins and championships very early into his career and you would have been forgiven for believing he could beat the records put in place by his mentor one day. Lewis’s career had stagnated at that point, but then the hybrid era began, and the rest is history.

 

Look, I do not believe that this 91st win means anything with regards to Lewis’s ability. It is a number, an impressive one, but merely a number. What it means to me as a fan of Lewis is that we have witnessed the rare occasion of a driver’s talent and performance being rewarded statistically in a way that we haven’t seen with other drivers, who would have been either just as deserving or at least close to deserving. Fernando Alonso being the best example I can think of.

In recent years I have moved away more and more from pointless online-debates about who’s the supposedly “Greatest Driver of All Times”, ironically, all the while Lewis kept improving his stats and adding more credibility to the claim of being the GOAT, at least in the eyes of those, who measure greatness in that particular way. The fact of the matter is that any attempt in doing so will ultimately fall short one way or another, either leading  to intellectually embarrassing rankings or an inflationary use of cross comparisons, which are mostly reductionist in trying to handle a moving target as if it was stationary.

 

When I think back to all the years I have been supporting Lewis, I do not remember the numbers, I remember the moments. Moments of greatness on track, moments of disappointment or despair (thanks McLaren), moments of delight and relief. Supporting Lewis over the years has provided me with so much joy, sometimes with anger and sadness, but in hindsight, I would not want to miss the few bad moments as they made the good ones so much better. His first World Championship would not have felt as good if it had not been for the dramatic way in which he lost the title in his rookie season. His second World Championship would not have been as satisfying if it had not been for the five-year drought at McLaren and Mercedes. His fourth Championship would not have felt as relieving if it had not been for the unfortunate way in which he lost the previous one in 2016.

 

Equalling Schumacher’s record and breaking it soon is the logical result of a driver/car-combination this sport has never seen before and nothing more than that. For those who supported Lewis over the course of his career, this 91st win will not make a difference in the way they perceive him, and neither will it for those who are, for whatever reason, still underestimating him. Whatever we all think of him, he’ll continue to be impressive driving an F1 car on the limit and coming out ahead more often than all the other drivers on the grid until one day he retires and another driver will take his place to repeat that and some of us will still be watching a bit of greatness to brighten up our lives for an hour and a half every fortnight – and so the circle of life will continue.

 

Congratulations Lewis, you've come a long way since that sunny day in June 2007, when James Allan proclaimed that this would be "surely the first of many". How right he turned out to be.

 

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#2 Risil

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Posted 11 October 2020 - 13:49

Well done Lewis!

How many wins will he retire with? I think 120.

#3 SophieB

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Posted 11 October 2020 - 13:53

I liked his 2011 Nurburgring win best, so I guess it’s fitting for me he equals this record at this track.

Always thought Schumacher’s records would never be touched, goes to show you just never know.



#4 P123

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Posted 11 October 2020 - 13:54

Right, on to 92 and we can stop talking about this! :)



#5 beachdrifter

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Posted 11 October 2020 - 13:54

Incredible driver. Better than ever.



#6 SilverArrow31

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Posted 11 October 2020 - 13:54

I watched the first corner of his first race in 2007.... you know the one, watched him win his first one, the first of many, wow I really thought no one would ever match Schumacher, but records are made to be matched.... and broken



#7 PayasYouRace

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Posted 11 October 2020 - 13:55

It’s not the number of wins for me. In fact both Michael and Lewis have made F1 incredibly boring in doing it. But Lewis is a level above Michael in terms of sportsmanship and fully deserves the record, which I’m sure he’ll hold outright in just a few days time.

#8 Marklar

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Posted 11 October 2020 - 13:56

I liked his 2011 Nurburgring win best, so I guess it’s fitting for me he equals this record at this track.

Always thought Schumacher’s records would never be touched, goes to show you just never know.

I lost a extremely expensive bet today, I hope the guy who took that bet forgot about it  :lol:


Edited by Marklar, 11 October 2020 - 13:56.


#9 HP

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Posted 11 October 2020 - 13:56

182 wins of LH and MSC together. That's ~ 9+ years worth of won races. The mind boggles.

 

Congratulations to Lewis Hamilton.



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Posted 11 October 2020 - 13:56

I lost a extremely expensive bet today, I hope the guy who took that bet forget about it  :lol:

Oh no! Tell us more.



#11 FTB

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Posted 11 October 2020 - 13:56

So, this is it. I remember when Michael retired for the first time, I, as many others, assumed we would never see another driver get even close to these records. Alonso looked like he could maybe do so after winning back to back championships, but then his career nosedived at McLaren and his move back to Renault wasn’t much of a success either, costing him another two valuable years of his prime. 

 

Look, I do not believe that this 91st win means anything with regards to Lewis’s ability. It is a number, an impressive one, but merely a number. What it means to me as a fan of Lewis is that we have witnessed the rare occasion of a driver’s talent and performance being rewarded statistically in a way that we haven’t seen with other drivers, who would have been either just as deserving or at least close to deserving. Fernando Alonso being the best example I can think of.

 

Don't make me sad please.    :(

 

Anyway, congratulations to Hamilton and his fans.  :up:


Edited by FTB, 11 October 2020 - 13:56.


#12 Ev0d3vil

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Posted 11 October 2020 - 13:56

The GOAT!

#13 SenorSjon

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Posted 11 October 2020 - 13:56

91 wins is great, but only having to beat one other guy for most of them takes a lot of shine off it. It will always have an asterix for me as it was achieved with a total superior car for the better part of a decade with a lot of races a year. Much more and longer than what Michael had at his disposal.

Edited by SenorSjon, 11 October 2020 - 14:40.


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Posted 11 October 2020 - 13:58

91 wins is great, but only having to beat one other guy for most of them takes a lot of shine off it. It will always have an asterix for me as it was achieved with a total superior car for the better part of a decade. Much more and longer than what Michael had at his disposal.

 

Yeah, that is what makes this discussion boring- Schumacher sometimes did not even need to beat the only guy with a car capable.  That and unlimited testing, bespoke tyres and a friendly FIA.  He had many advantages too.  Nobody gets to 50, 60, 70 + victories without them.



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Posted 11 October 2020 - 13:58

91 wins is great, but only having to beat one other guy for most of them takes a lot of shine off it. It will always have an asterix for me as it was achieved with a total superior car for the better part of a decade with a lot if races a year. Much more and longer than what Michael had at his disposal.


*yawn*

#16 Spillage

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Posted 11 October 2020 - 14:00

Congratulations! Surely he will become the first driver to reach 100 wins. What a career.

#17 Marklar

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Posted 11 October 2020 - 14:00

91 wins is great, but only having to beat one other guy for most of them takes a lot of shine off it. It will always have an asterix for me as it was achieved with a total superior car for the better part of a decade with a lot if races a year. Much more and longer than what Michael had at his disposal.

thats pretty sour, Schumacher had dominant cars and weaker team mates, you can argue the same way about it.

Stats dont really work for this asterix talk, they all dont mean much in the end. They didnt mean much when Schumacher took them off Fangio, Senna or Prost, and they dont mean much now that Lewis took them off Schumacher. And they wont mean much when somebody in a few decades will take them off Lewis.



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Posted 11 October 2020 - 14:00

Well done Lewis! :clap:

100 wins are surely in sight, and I think that actually will be more of an unbelievable milestone to me than beating Schumacher’s record.

Edited by Fastcake, 11 October 2020 - 14:09.


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Posted 11 October 2020 - 14:01

Great driver, great team fully deserves his success.

Never thought id see the F1 records broken again in my life time after seeing Schumacher destroy the records. But twice is just epic to watch.

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#20 SophieB

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Posted 11 October 2020 - 14:01

It was a beautiful gesture from the Schumacher family to present Hamilton with one of his crash helmets.



#21 Yoshi

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Posted 11 October 2020 - 14:01

Never thought id see the F1 records broken again in my life time after seeing Schumacher destroy the records. But twice is just epic to watch.

 

Same here - congrats Lewis  :up:



#22 Hezekiah

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Posted 11 October 2020 - 14:02

Amazing achievement, one of, if not the greatest of all time. I never really thought 91 would ever be equalled.

Time to aim for 100.

#23 LiftAndCoast

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Posted 11 October 2020 - 14:02

Congratulations Lewis.  Records are often broken, but this was one I thought for many years was safe.  And well done to Mercedes for the cars (and PUs) they've given him over his career.


Edited by LiftAndCoast, 11 October 2020 - 14:03.


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Posted 11 October 2020 - 14:03

thats pretty sour, Schumacher had dominant cars and weaker team mates, you can argue the same way about it.

Stats dont really work for this asterix talk, they all dont mean much in the end. They didnt mean much when Schumacher took them off Fangio, Senna or Prost, and they dont mean much now that Lewis took them off Schumacher. And they wont mean much when somebody in a few decades will take them off Lewis.

 

Don't think F1 could survive another of those dominant champs. 



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Posted 11 October 2020 - 14:06

It's just a number, but it's also history made. Not just today but his whole career he's been a great driver, and that all adds up to this number. Fully deserved.

 

I started watching F1 during the Schumacher domination and like many others, I never thought these records would be broken, but Hamilton has done this quicker than anyone could expect through clinical driving and rarely making mistakes.

 

I'm a bit tired of the GOAT mentions because in my opinion you can't compare eras, but Hamilton is easily a legend of the sport and the best driver of his generation.


Edited by Lights, 11 October 2020 - 19:05.


#26 djparky

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Posted 11 October 2020 - 14:07

Well done....sat in a dominant car for many years just like Schumacher. But none the less well done

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Posted 11 October 2020 - 14:08

91 wins is great, but only having to beat one other guy for most of them takes a lot of shine off it. It will always have an asterix for me as it was achieved with a total superior car for the better part of a decade with a lot if races a year. Much more and longer than what Michael had at his disposal.

 

:rolleyes:


Edited by ARTGP, 11 October 2020 - 14:09.


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Posted 11 October 2020 - 14:09

Well done....sat in a dominant car for many years just like Schumacher. But none the less well done



With the difference that the Ferrari was very dominant only in 2002 & 2004.

Mercedes has been dominant since 2014.

Anyway, congrats Lewis for the achievement! :up:

#29 Marklar

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Posted 11 October 2020 - 14:09

Oh no! Tell us more.

After Vettel won his first title a friend of mine said that Schumacher's records will be broken (I guess he meant by Vettel, but he didnt specify it) and I was sure that they wont be because this era is way more competitive than in Schumacher's times with more equally matched drivers and cars (yes, I jinxed the latter, I'm sorry).

He isnt very interested in F1 anymore, so I hope he forgot  :lol:



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Posted 11 October 2020 - 14:10

thats pretty sour, Schumacher had dominant cars and weaker team mates, you can argue the same way about it.

Stats dont really work for this asterix talk, they all dont mean much in the end. They didnt mean much when Schumacher took them off Fangio, Senna or Prost, and they dont mean much now that Lewis took them off Schumacher. And they wont mean much when somebody in a few decades will take them off Lewis.

I hope nobody takes these records of LH, it will show F1 has failed.



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Posted 11 October 2020 - 14:11

With the difference that the Ferrari was very dominant only in 2002 & 2004.

Mercedes has been dominant since 2014.

Anyway, congrats Lewis for the achievement! :up:

yeah, Merc was utterly dominant in 2017/18

If you cherry pick it for Schumacher, do it at least for both

Don't think F1 could survive another of those dominant champs.

There will be more races, longer careers, it may not need a extremely dominant driver.

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Posted 11 October 2020 - 14:13

Brilliant Lewis. He's been a giant of Formula 1 from the moment he made his debut. A legend in every sense.

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Posted 11 October 2020 - 14:15

91 wins and no sign of a decline in personal ability or performance. Astounding really. The gifting of Michael's helmet was emotional knowing that Michael would have done so were he able to.



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Posted 11 October 2020 - 14:16

Let's be honest with an average drivers career being 16-18 years the only way anyone's going to challenge 7 titles is if they get large periods in dominant machinery, there's no way you going to win half the seasons you contest with sporadically competitive cars.



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Posted 11 October 2020 - 14:18

yeah, Merc was utterly dominant in 2017/18

If you cherry pick it for Schumacher, do it at least for both

There will be more races, longer careers, it may not need a extremely dominant driver.

It might also be harder with all these gimmicky suggestions like reverse grids......and the 2022 rules...



#36 BiggestBuddyLazierFan

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Posted 11 October 2020 - 14:19

Is that helmet eligible for todays racing? It looks modern enough.

Sponsors decals seems alright already

If I were Lewis I'd race it untill the end of my carrer.

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Posted 11 October 2020 - 14:20

Wow well done for him, although Gelael could win in a Mercedes with proper backing, Lewis's McLaren days were much more respective to his talent. I always think that his Mercedes years flattered his statistics. So for me, I don't think he's the GOAT, not even in my top 5.

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Posted 11 October 2020 - 14:20

I hope nobody takes these records of LH, it will show F1 has failed.

And you don"t think F1 has already failed, with this non-ending mercedes dominance?



#39 BiggestBuddyLazierFan

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Posted 11 October 2020 - 14:22

91 wins is great, but only having to beat one other guy for most of them takes a lot of shine off it. It will always have an asterix for me as it was achieved with a total superior car for the better part of a decade with a lot if races a year. Much more and longer than what Michael had at his disposal.


He deserved number one seat at Mercedes

You know. Hülkenberg could have been sitting in that seat all this time too.


If only....

.. He was better than Lewis

But he wasn't

Same goes for the other 20 fellas

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#40 cheekybru

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Posted 11 October 2020 - 14:24

Well done Lewis 😊👍 thanks for all the memories

Next win is the big one for me (followed by the BIG one hopefully next year 🤞)

Edited by cheekybru, 11 October 2020 - 14:25.


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Posted 11 October 2020 - 14:25

Is it possible to create another thread for those that don’t think LH 91 is deserved? That way this one can be left with a little positivity and everyone eating sour grapes can vent there.

Thoughts?

I agree the #’s are not material. It’s the drives that matter and he has had a lot of jaw dropping drives as many have mentioned in this and other threads! Congrats LH!

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Posted 11 October 2020 - 14:26

Stats padded by having the most dominant car for many years, and a stupidly high number of races per year. But hey, he's done what he needed to do to get to that number. Congrats.



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Posted 11 October 2020 - 14:32

Always knew it would happen eventually; just didn’t think it would be so soon. Congrats, Lewis. :up:

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Posted 11 October 2020 - 14:33

Lewis is a legend for his incredible consistency in the sport. I don’t think people understand how much it takes to come to work day after day, year after year, and maintain such incredibly high standards. And he’s always improving - since his debut, every year bar 2011 has been better than the year before. This is the one thing that he shares the most with Micheal, and Lewis has been fortunate that his team, Mercedes, has that incredible commitment to excellence too.
Lots of people get triggered by the GOAT term but the above is the reason why I rank Lewis there as the all time best - maybe Senna and Clark were quicker, but I doubt they would have had Lewis’ or Michael’s longevity if they hadn’t passed in a crash.

#45 fisssssi

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Posted 11 October 2020 - 14:33

Congrats to Lewis! He alone is now 5th in the all time constructors standings.



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Posted 11 October 2020 - 14:35

With the difference that the Ferrari was very dominant only in 2002 & 2004.

Mercedes has been dominant since 2014.

Anyway, congrats Lewis for the achievement! :up:

Lewis had an competitive teammate while the other didn't.



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Posted 11 October 2020 - 14:35

yeah, Merc was utterly dominant in 2017/18

If you cherry pick it for Schumacher, do it at least for both

 

Even if you take out 2017 & 2018 (even if Mercedes was indeed the fastest car by the end of both seasons), still 5 seasons of winning with an utterly dominant car .

And the competitive team-mate lastest one season.

 

I mean, you cannot really compare Schumacher records with Hamilton's imho.

As i said, Schumacher had only two seasons of complete dominance and also, the calendar nowdays has plenty more races than in early 2000's. 

 

It's still a nice statistic record for Hamilton, and he deserved the wins he got on track, so bravo!   :up:


Edited by thegamer23, 11 October 2020 - 14:40.


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Posted 11 October 2020 - 14:37

Stats padded by having the most dominant car for many years, and a stupidly high number of races per year. But hey, he's done what he needed to do to get to that number. Congrats.

 

Pretty  much, imagine how many wins Schumacher would have driving the F2004 type car for 7 years in a row.

As today showed, its harder to lose a race than win a race in this Mercedes. That is what F1 is reduced to.

Now it is a meaningless stat with a massive asterisk next to it.


Edited by RS6, 11 October 2020 - 14:38.


#49 Ellios

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Posted 11 October 2020 - 14:39

It's just a number but it's a big number! 

 

Most race wins is very special, whoever has it.  :up:

 

Silverstone 2008 stands out but there are many. 



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Posted 11 October 2020 - 14:42

Congrats Lewis, plenty more to come too.  :up:  :up:  :up:

 

Nice touch with Mick and the helmet too.  :up: