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#1 johnwilliamdavies

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Posted 16 October 2020 - 08:10

Online coverage is here...

 



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#2 Vitesse2

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Posted 16 October 2020 - 08:20

Your weekend race card. All times BST (GMT +1).

 

https://www.goodwood...rd-13102020.pdf



#3 sabrejet

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Posted 16 October 2020 - 11:27

I have mixed feelings: I attend Goodwood in-person and whilst 'OK' with TV coverage, it doesn't fill the need, other than to remind me of the good times I've experienced first-hand. I miss the smell, sound and sense of 'being there'.

 

Speedweek somehow feels like a bunch of lucky souls rubbing my nose in it. 



#4 Eric Dunsdon

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Posted 16 October 2020 - 11:30

Just watched the Goodwood Trophy Race Pre-War cars. Wonderful to see real racing cars in action again.



#5 Vitesse2

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Posted 16 October 2020 - 11:56

Well, the SF Edge race provided the best racing I've seen this year! Splendid duel!



#6 Steve L

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Posted 16 October 2020 - 16:00

I watched the SF Edge and Goodwood Trophy races.  Both great and the live feed is much appreciated.



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Posted 16 October 2020 - 16:05

I have mixed feelings: I attend Goodwood in-person and whilst 'OK' with TV coverage, it doesn't fill the need, other than to remind me of the good times I've experienced first-hand. I miss the smell, sound and sense of 'being there'.

 

Speedweek somehow feels like a bunch of lucky souls rubbing my nose in it. 

 

Max out the volume on your TV and put some motor oil in a pot and gently simmer, then breath deep and enjoy the show ;-)



#8 sabrejet

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Posted 16 October 2020 - 16:40

Max out the volume on your TV and put some motor oil in a pot and gently simmer, then breath deep and enjoy the show ;-)

 

I watched the SF Edge and my concerns melted away. I do really miss it though! :)



#9 d j fox

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Posted 17 October 2020 - 02:32

Managed to catch the Gerry Marshall race... some glorious cars..Brought back great memories of trips to Spa and the 24 hours.! Nice to see good clean racing

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Posted 17 October 2020 - 04:44

I've been watching it today here in Victoria, BC, Canada...though it's mostly done by the time I get up.  I'm glad they show replays afterwards.

 

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#11 Stephen W

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Posted 17 October 2020 - 08:13

Watched the ITV4 2 hour programme yesterday evening (recorded it live). Less than 40 minutes racing was the usual coverage but the dross that made up the rest of the coverage was banal tp say the least.



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Posted 17 October 2020 - 08:20

Yes must agree, the first hour or so of the 'live' 2 hour programme was poor, especially during the rally stage, the director (an ex-F1 colleague of mine) didn't seem to know which camera to cut to. But things improved markedly in the Gerry Marshall race, lovely stuff.

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Posted 17 October 2020 - 08:25

I think we need to cut them a bit of slack there, Stephen. It's the need for a wider audience and the promotional potential for sponsors and advertisers that's paying for it, not us the viewers.

 

There was some entertaining stuff from Goodwood live online yesterday; it's not the Revival, but it's not pretending to be - it's something different and aimed at that wider audience. The bits that might interest us less are for going to make a cup of tea and for toilet breaks!

 

Thank you, Goodwood, for giving it ago in tricky times. The amount of planning needed for this is impressive (for example, the rallying parts, whilst very restricted in nature are imaginative given the constraints they're under - although the stages in the dark didn't work).

 

The Edwardians were amazing - looking forward to more of the same tomorrow.


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#14 Barry Boor

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Posted 17 October 2020 - 09:05

Very confused.

Just started to watch the F.1 cars and they are interrupted by some strange feature about Goodwood stuff, but without sound. Sound eventually came back but where are my racing cars?

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Posted 17 October 2020 - 09:25

I think they are doing a great job. The Edwardian race was the closest race I've seen all year. Makes the F1 lot look rather sad.   The drone shots are fantastic.   it's funny to see the lack of "theatre" though and to see the modern rescue units etc. Shows how clever they are at hiding them at other times.

I wonder if they picked a number of drivers with several cars to create a smaller bubble of drivers?   Some of the guys are having a busy time jumping from one car to another. 



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Posted 17 October 2020 - 09:33

Take a look on the Youtube stream: it's actually very good. Today has the promise of a new lap record. 

 

But how I wish they'd let the sprint and hill climb cars have a go! No excuses this time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



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Posted 17 October 2020 - 09:44

Very confused.

Just started to watch the F.1 cars and they are interrupted by some strange feature about Goodwood stuff, but without sound. Sound eventually came back but where are my racing cars?

Turns out the uninterrupted track stream is only on the Goodwood website. You will need to sign up for a free account, which will give immediate access. But, annoyingly, it's through Brightcove Player, so can't be easily cast to a TV unless you have the latest version of Chromecast and can negotiate installing their extension!

 

speedweek.goodwood.com



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Posted 17 October 2020 - 09:47

Barry - watching online yesterday there was two streams: one more generalist with the background stuff, promotional things and suchlike and one which was essentially the racing with a few breaks. I think you have to "sign in" to that one - but unless you are buying something from them or some other activity and just watching (and are concerned about such things) don't think they will know any more about you than any other website one might frequent (and the terms about data use are spelt in more detail than on many a site).

 

I found a few mildly annoying glitches in it yesterday, but it ain't bad for free...



#19 sabrejet

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Posted 17 October 2020 - 09:49

Turns out the uninterrupted track stream is only on the Goodwood website. You will need to sign up for a free account, which will give immediate access. But, annoyingly, it's through Brightcove Player, so can't be easily cast to a TV unless you have the latest version of Chromecast and can negotiate installing their extension!

 

speedweek.goodwood.com

 

I discovered that too, so resorted to Youtube. ITV4 will no doubt do its best but will need their coverage to be aimed less at enthusiasts.



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#20 2F-001

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Posted 17 October 2020 - 09:50

A friend told me yesterday that they'd streamed it to their ('smart'?) tv via an Amazon Firestick.

 

I was watching it via a desktop computer, primarily because I have a monitor that is bigger (and better quality) than my tv...



#21 Vitesse2

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Posted 17 October 2020 - 10:03

Currently firing up part-retired laptop and hooking up via HDMI ....



#22 Barry Boor

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Posted 17 October 2020 - 10:06

I'm watching through You Tube via an Amazon Firestick.

#23 pete53

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Posted 17 October 2020 - 10:39

I've just been watching the TT Celebration practice. Quite a nice mixture of cars Jaguar E, Cobra, TVR, Sunbeam Tiger, Porsche, Lister Jag, Iso Grifo , Corvette .. but hang on, did I miss something, or was there not a single Ferrari in the entry for a race celebrating an event that was won by Ferrari in all the GT years of the TT at Goodwood?



#24 Derwent Motorsport

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Posted 17 October 2020 - 11:01

Perhaps the owners did not want to play or the cars/drivers are not in the UK? 

I am always puzzled as to why the Lister Jag GT is allowed in.



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Posted 17 October 2020 - 11:12

Perhaps the owners did not want to play or the cars/drivers are not in the UK? 

I am always puzzled as to why the Lister Jag GT is allowed in.

Could be, although they usually manage to get a couple of SWB 250GTs if not GTOs. Yes, I am not sure why the Lister GT gets in but it has since the instigation of the event - I suppose you could argue that the 1964 TT did admit prototypes and sports racers, but you don't see any other such cars in the event.



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Posted 17 October 2020 - 11:54

When I first heard about this closed event it sounded a bit meh but I actually love watching it. Great that they did it and I really hope to be there again next year.

 

I wonder whether they will / are allowed to unleash the F1 cars without a pace car, at least those driven by pros. 



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Posted 17 October 2020 - 12:56

Does anyone know what the red and white can-am-ish car in the Whitsun Trophy was?

 

EDIT: Mike Thornton's McKee-Chevrolet.


Edited by sabrejet, 17 October 2020 - 13:03.


#28 pete53

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Posted 17 October 2020 - 15:55

I've just been watching the TT Celebration practice. Quite a nice mixture of cars Jaguar E, Cobra, TVR, Sunbeam Tiger, Porsche, Lister Jag, Iso Grifo , Corvette .. but hang on, did I miss something, or was there not a single Ferrari in the entry for a race celebrating an event that was won by Ferrari in all the GT years of the TT at Goodwood?

Following on from my own observations above ... there are 2 or 3 250GTs in the Stirling Moss Memorial Trophy event for GT cars.



#29 d j fox

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Posted 17 October 2020 - 16:39

No one wants to risk their beautiful real Ferraris when some aggressive “heroes” in plastic recreations with a win at any cost mentality are prepared to push to pass....witness the Moss race Sad

#30 sabrejet

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Posted 17 October 2020 - 16:51

Sad to see the SEFAC Hotrod, obviously being driven steadily, taken out.



#31 BRG

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Posted 17 October 2020 - 18:10

 

I wonder whether they will / are allowed to unleash the F1 cars without a pace car, at least those driven by pros. 

They let Nick Padmore go for a standing start lap time in an Arrows-Ford A6 in some sort of shoot -out competition.  He did a 1m 9 sec which is QUICK.  That as 1983 car, so what a 2020 F1 car could do :stoned: ...obviously sub 1 minute.



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Posted 17 October 2020 - 18:25

Oh, easily… way back when, didn’t Jonathan Palmer do a 1m 6 something in the Ralt RH6? And I think I read that Denny Hulme went under 62sec with a Can Am McLaren in the early 70s. Flying laps in testing, obviously, but all a long time ago.

 

In the late 80s, when the Onyx team turned up at our Club trackday asking if they could do a quick shakedown of a totally untried car before heading off to a flyaway race, Stefan Johansson (I think it was) went under 63sec after just one out lap. Then one cooling down lap and they packed up and left. From memory those three laps paid for the whole day...


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Posted 17 October 2020 - 18:49

Those would have been flying lap times though - today's was from a standing start.  That must add 10 secs or so?

 

On another point, I do enjoy it when racing commentators start talking about rallying when they clearly know very little about it.  Today's man on the mic (was it David Addison?) said that Stig Blomqvist loved RWD cars far more than FWD.  Evidently he didn't remember that Stig rallied FWD SAABs for a decade or more winning a hatful of top rallies and then went to 4WD Audis to win the WRC.  His only serious RWD outings were in the works 2WD Sapphire Cosworth IIRC. 

 

Anyway, the Original Stig is equally at home whichever wheels he is spinning.  Good to see the old boy (well, he is older than me!) still showing the youngsters the way home.



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Posted 17 October 2020 - 18:56

 

The Arrows A11 lap. 



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Posted 17 October 2020 - 19:47

Anyway, the Original Stig is equally at home whichever wheels he is spinning.  Good to see the old boy (well, he is older than me!) still showing the youngsters the way home.

 

And the more recent TV 'Stig' was racing too - Phil Keen.



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Posted 17 October 2020 - 20:06

They let Nick Padmore go for a standing start lap time in an Arrows-Ford A6 in some sort of shoot -out competition.  He did a 1m 9 sec which is QUICK.  That as 1983 car, so what a 2020 F1 car could do :stoned: ...obviously sub 1 minute.

 

And imagine what a hill climber or sprint car would do? It's a shame they couldn't have invited Scott Moran or Wallace Menzies. Previous reservations on hill climbers at FoS wouldn't stand. And I think Graeme Wight, Jr is still 3rd or 4th fastest up the hill.



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Posted 17 October 2020 - 20:20

Those would have been flying lap times though - today's was from a standing start.  That must add 10 secs or so?

 

On another point, I do enjoy it when racing commentators start talking about rallying when they clearly know very little about it.  Today's man on the mic (was it David Addison?) said that Stig Blomqvist loved RWD cars far more than FWD.  Evidently he didn't remember that Stig rallied FWD SAABs for a decade or more winning a hatful of top rallies and then went to 4WD Audis to win the WRC.  His only serious RWD outings were in the works 2WD Sapphire Cosworth IIRC. 

 

Anyway, the Original Stig is equally at home whichever wheels he is spinning.  Good to see the old boy (well, he is older than me!) still showing the youngsters the way home.

 

Other RWD drives not to forget is among others his 4th. place in Sweden in '78 in a works entered Stratos. 

 

https://pbs.twimg.co...=jpg&name=large

 

He also had works outings for the works Talbot team in '81/'82 and secured the WC for makes with his performance in Finland and on the RAC.

Toivonen suffered mechanical failures on both those events and Des O'Dell was eternally grateful to Stig after that.

 

To my knowledge all Stig's outings in works Sierra Cosworths were in the original 3-door. "whale tail" version. The rest in the V6 XR 4x4 version during '87/'88.

 

I haven't seen the footage but apparently he won the first St Mary's Trophy race today in the Ford Galaxy.



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Posted 17 October 2020 - 22:02

Does anyone know what the red and white can-am-ish car in the Whitsun Trophy was?

 

EDIT: Mike Thornton's McKee-Chevrolet.

Greg Thorntons McKee "Mahrya" Chevrolet. 



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Posted 17 October 2020 - 22:04

They let Nick Padmore go for a standing start lap time in an Arrows-Ford A6 in some sort of shoot -out competition.  He did a 1m 9 sec which is QUICK.  That as 1983 car, so what a 2020 F1 car could do :stoned: ...obviously sub 1 minute

Arrows A11  from 1989 with a Cosworth DFR.



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Posted 17 October 2020 - 22:05

Other RWD drives not to forget is among others his 4th. place in Sweden in '78 in a works entered Stratos. 

 

https://pbs.twimg.co...=jpg&name=large

 

He also had works outings for the works Talbot team in '81/'82 and secured the WC for makes with his performance in Finland and on the RAC.

Toivonen suffered mechanical failures on both those events and Des O'Dell was eternally grateful to Stig after that.

 

To my knowledge all Stig's outings in works Sierra Cosworths were in the original 3-door. "whale tail" version. The rest in the V6 XR 4x4 version during '87/'88.

 

I haven't seen the footage but apparently he won the first St Mary's Trophy race today in the Ford Galaxy.

Galaxie. A Ford Galaxy is a very different animal.  ;)

 

He had an entertaining race-long battle with Sam Tordoff in another Galaxie, but I had the impression Sam always had a bit in hand. Or at least, he did until the penultimate lap, when his car decided it didn't like its oil very much, started smoking at Lavant and then deposited most of the contents of its sump on the start/finish straight! So Stig won easily in the end.



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Posted 17 October 2020 - 23:51

Apologies in advance but I’ve been here since Wednesday 😷

I’ve been in the office most of the time watching bits of it on the tv, volume zero, door open, heating on. FYI, there’s a 3 second delay on the stream 😂

To be fair Nick’s lap in the Arrows got me out the office, watched that one on the big screen on pit exit along with the F1’s. That Honda in the Senna McLaren was howling and have to say none of the F1 boys were holding back going into Madgwick. You forget just how quick they are until you see them close up in the flesh and they are on the loud pedal. The Judd V10 in the Dallara LMP packs a punch too, tres bien.

I’ve also been privileged to have spent one to one time with some of my hero’s this weekend. Sir Jackie, Emmo, Damon, Rowan Atkinson, Mark Knopfler to name a few.

Got some videos and photos, give me a bit and I’ll link some up.

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Posted 18 October 2020 - 04:37

I've been asking my Google Home Mini to cast it to my tv via Chromecast.  Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.

 

Vince H.



#43 john aston

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Posted 18 October 2020 - 05:51

 'Point of order ' please? Lap records are set in races, not practice , not ....err...'qually' , not in testing and not (are you listening Volkswagen ?) at pre booked , exclusive sessions at the Nurburgring 



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Posted 18 October 2020 - 07:04

Goodwood and its modern replacement, Thruxton, share a very similar layout and length and therefore the lap times are very similar. In recent times the quickest car to race at Thruxton was Michael Lyons' Hesketh 308E in the Derek Bell Trophy races at the 2015 Easter Revival meeting.

Michael set a fastest lap of 1:07.648 and in both races his standing start lap was in the 1:11.0 bracket so it is reasonable to say that a quick flying lap for Nick Padmore would have been around 1:05.

Almost 27 years to the day, Damon Hill demonstrated his then current Williams FW15C during the lunchbreak for the F3 Championship finals meeting at Thruxton. A scintillating display saw Damon lower the outright lap record to 57.6, an average lap speed of around 147 m.p.h. Of course as John points out this was unofficial as it wasn't set in a race but it was extremely impressive as were the many doughnuts Damon performed on his slowing down lap !

For the record the outright fastest lap at Thruxton was set by Earl Goddard in a 4 litre Reynard in September 2000 with a time of 1:01.96.

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Posted 18 October 2020 - 07:52

Just a passing observation..... some of the 2.5 litre F.1 cars seem to be running extremely close to the ground. Is there a tendency to run them lower than they did in period?

The 250.F looks as though it's almost scraping the track.

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#46 Vitesse2

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Posted 18 October 2020 - 08:18

 'Point of order ' please? Lap records are set in races, not practice , not ....err...'qually' , not in testing and not (are you listening Volkswagen ?) at pre booked , exclusive sessions at the Nurburgring 

Except at Brooklands. Official lap records there were set on solo timed runs outside competition. That of course dates back to when Lindsay Lloyd of the BARC first wrote the regulations for speed records in 1910 and initially applied only to the Outer Circuit, but was carried forward to the Mountain and Campbell Circuits too. Raymond Mays set the perpetual Campbell Circuit lap record two days after the final meeting in August 1939.



#47 Stephen W

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Posted 18 October 2020 - 08:55

The ITV4 broadcast yesterday (Saturday) was still riddled with dross.

 

Just started watching the YOU TUBE feed.


Edited by Stephen W, 18 October 2020 - 08:56.


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Posted 18 October 2020 - 15:25

 So Stig won easily in the end.

Pah!  Stig was just toying with the youngsters. 



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Posted 18 October 2020 - 15:57

Oh, Stig!!!  You let me down.  



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Posted 18 October 2020 - 18:02

Good effort by Mr Goodwood, but some disappointment. Qualifying and race positions on the screen made no mention of start number or type of car, so that made it difficult to follow what was going on. And the interviews sometimes gave the name of the interviewee, sometimes not. With face masks in place, it was difficult to find out who was talking. Anyway, carrying out an interview while racing cars are revving in the background is not a great idea, especially for those of us whose hearing is not longer what it once was.

Yes, i did enjoy it, but I feel that some minor changes could have made it much better. Looking forward to travel restrictions being lifted in 2021...hopefully!


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