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[Bob Riebe]

https://www.hotrod.c...oes-to-le-mans/

 

Sadly there was a second Ford that was  2nd fastest trap speed to Greenwood at Daytona but it never made the trip.

Edited by Bob Riebe, 17 November 2020 - 01:43.

[Lee Nicolle]

From what I have read these were not Nascar stockcars butpurpose built cars for the event. Though as obvious using a lot of Nascar technology and components.

An oval track engine would be slow and unreliable on a road course so tamed down engines with far more driveability the go. 

Suspension too would be different as well as brakes. In that period those cars were very average in the brake dept!

[Bob Riebe]

They were modified NASCAR cars; most likely road race cars though back in those days, teams did not have the fleet of cars they have nowadays.

The Ford was Junie Donley's and he was a low buck owner while the Dodge came out of the North West not down South although it was a Petty built car.

The Ford that did not race WAS an IMSA  road race special that was not legal for  even NASCAR road races. 

 

If you read the article, they were not prepared for the bunny piss gasoline in France and failed to get any from the U.S. in time for the race.

[Tim Murray]

The link in the OP doesn’t work in most of Europe due to ‘EU data protection restrictions’.

Here’s an ancient thread covering similar ground, although nearly all the photos are now unavailable:

NASCAR at Le Mans

[Bob Riebe]

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NASCAR at Le Mans: When a Dodge Charger and Ford Torino Raced in Europe In 1976, NASCAR went to France to see if American muscle could best Europe's elite.

 

 

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Matt StoneAuthor/  

Sep 19, 2020

"They're going to run what? Where? For how long?" This was likely a common reaction when it was announced that two full-figured NASCAR stockers were going to compete at the 24 Hours of Le Mans in 1976. Wasn't that a race in a faraway land called France, contested only by funny little furrin' cars?

 

 

 

 

No, not since 1966, anyway, when Henry Ford II went there with his all-conquering GT program and the notion of trumping Enzo Ferrari at his own game. The result was the original four-peat: back-to-back factory wins in 1966 and 1967, plus two privateer victories by the Gulf-Wyer team in 1968 and 1969 (in the same car, no less). Sportsman/driver/car-builder Briggs Cunningham tried it a decade and a half before, with creditable results including a third overall. Goodness knows American iron has been there lately, rewriting the GT class record books courtesy of the factory-sponsored Viper GTS-Rs from 1998 to 2000 and the Pratt & Miller Corvetteteam nearly every year since.

 

 

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A New Class For The NASCAR Boys: Grand International

The story goes that Le Mans organizers were attempting to spice up their game. In mid-1975, they approached Bill France Sr., doyen of NASCAR, about an "exchange of classes" between Le Mans and the 24 Hours of Daytona. France owned Daytona Speedway, and even then, what we now call the Rolex 24 was of international importance. "Big Bill" was in many ways the ultimate traditionalist and ran NASCAR with an iron fist. Yet he should be viewed as an innovator, too. Road racing was hardly new to NASCAR: Events held at natural road courses like Riverside and Watkins Glen had been a part of NASCAR's diet for years, although ovals were--and remain--its staple.

 

The product of this Franco-American negotiation was called the Grand International class, and its trial balloon was scheduled for Le Mans in June 1976. Two teams were selected by NASCAR: Owner/driver Herschel McGriff and son Doug would drive their Wedge-powered, Olympia Beer-sponsored Dodge Charger, and perennial privateer Junie Donlavey would bring a Ford Torino to be shared by Richard Brooks and Dick Hutcherson. NASCAR and the Le Mans race organizers paid the expenses for the teams and transportation.

 

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Don't for a minute think these good ol' boys were being served as gator bait to Europe's racing elite. Hutcherson had already been to Le Mans as a member of the previously mentioned Ford GT40 effort, finishing third overall in 1966 teamed with Ronnie Bucknum. Herschel McGriff was the most seasoned road racer among them.

 

"I'm guessing that's one of the reasons they chose our team to go to France," says the 78-year-old McGriff. "I won the Carrera Panamericana in 1950 when was I only 22 years old, won 14 stock-car events at Riverside, and ran the 24 hours of Daytona. So they knew I was capable on a road course, because I wasn't just a circle-track guy."

The French Love Les Deux Monstres

The French media dubbed the Torino and the Charger Les Deux Monstres, the Two Monsters. But that wasn't out of fear or disdain; it was a term of endearment, one shared by the enthusiastic, international crowd. According to a period race report by Richmond News Leader sportswriter Randy Hallman, the cars and teams were swarmed. "From the moment they arrived in France, the hulking Detroit beasts created a stir, fans flocked around the cars wherever they went. Indeed, they looked as out of place as if they'd been beamed down from some hovering starship--and got almost as much attention."

According to Hallman, car-owner Donlavey said just prior to the start of the race, "Everywhere we go, and I mean everywhere, there's a big crowd following us. They took our car and Herschel's on a parade through downtown Le Mans—right through the main square. It was so crowded, people were pressed against the cars on both sides."

 

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Mirror, Mirror

Considering what goes into a Le Mans effort these days, the preparations Donlavey and McGriff went through were minimal and straightforward. "This car belonged to my son," says McGriff. "We thought the Dodge would be a little bit slicker aerodynamically than the Chevelle I ran at Daytona. We had to add taillights, windshield wipers, lots of headlights, and radio gear. We ran lower-compression motors, but, otherwise, that was about it. It passed inspection with no problem, although in the driver's meeting, several of the guys who ran smaller, lower-riding prototypes asked that we install side mirrors so we could see them."

"That was the first thing that came up at the meeting. 'Put side mirrors on the big American cars!' Of course, we did. You know, we could go down the straightaway faster than anybody. It would go over 200 down the Mulsanne straight, blowing by those Porsches and all, but when I got to the 90-degree corner at the end of a run, I couldn't make it stop."

And what of the rumor that McGriff brought 15 or so cases of Olympia's product labeled as "lubricant?" "I think that's probably true," he notes with a snicker. "Didn't drink much of it myself, but used to give a lot of it away when they were my sponsor." The McGriffs qualified toward the lower end of the grid, while the Brooks/Hutcherson Torino started from the 55th and last spot.

 

 

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Race Day: It's A Gas

June 12, 1976, dawned bright and hot; the highs would be well into the 90s. Bill France Sr. was there, of course, and Bill France Jr. waved the starting flags. Unfortunately, NASCAR at Le Mans didn't live up to its advance billing and immense popularity. McGriff's engine blew on the second lap, thus the Olympia Dodge was the first car out of the race, officially shown as "No Result." At Le Mans, you need to complete a certain number of laps even to be classified as a finisher.

 

 

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"I was really disappointed in our performance. We made a big mistake, for which I guess I have to blame myself, on the octane of fuel that was available in France for the race. I thought the fuel was around 90 octane, and, of course, we were used to running 101 or 102. I passed this along to my engine man, and he built three lower-compression motors for the 90-grade stuff. But it turned out the real octane was more like 82 or 83," McGriff told us.

"Them big pistons just wouldn't take it, and we burned up the first two engines in practice. We added head gaskets to get the third engine to last, and NASCAR was trying to round up some higher-octane gas, but couldn't. We didn't do a good job of representing the class, and maybe that's why it didn't run a second year. If we'd have run the whole race, and finished, maybe it could've worked."

The Donlavey Ford fared somewhat better, but finally gave up in the 11th hour. Le Mans is hell on transmissions; the NASCAR stocker's four-speeds were charged with approximately 22 gear changes per lap. There have been NASCAR contests where the driver never made 22 gear changes throughout the entire race. Hutcherson and Brooks also were unclassified.

 

 

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"It was just a great experience," recalls McGriff. "The most impressive thing was the sound. All the little Porsches sound like bumblebees, and then we'd roll by with those big-block V-8s running straight pipes and no mufflers. It shook the ground, and people loved it."

Culture problems? Just one. "When I go to Mexico, I can always use hand signals and can get by without the language. Can't do that with the French. I don't care how much you move your arms or legs, they don't understand what you want. "Even though neither team was part of any victory celebration, McGriff recalls the scene well. "I love the end of that race. People go crazy. They flood the grandstands. They drink. They have sex out on the grass."

Vive la France, y'all.

Epilogue

Jacky Ickx and Gijs Van Lennep won the 44th running of the 24 Hours of Le Mans in a Porsche 936, completing 2963.39 miles at an average speed of 123.50 mph. Father and son McGriff are both alive and well, as is Donlavey. Herschel raced into his mid-1970s, finally retiring in 2002. In 1982, he made one more trip back to Le Mans with a prototype-class Camaro. His teammate? Truxmore Ford pilot Brooks. They had better luck this time, completing the race but again failing to amass enough miles to be classified a finisher. If they had, they would've ranked 19th overall. Dick Hutcherson passed away November 6, 2005. Richard Brooks died February 1, 2006.

 

 

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And what of NASCAR's desire to expand its involvement in road racing? The result, 30 years after this memorable effort in the French countryside that could've taken place only in the 1970s, is called the Grand American Road Racing series.

 

An Epilogue To The Epilogue: Charger Rebrewed

Thirty years after the McGriff's valiant, if not entirely successful attempt to run a NASCAR stocker at the world's most significant 24-hour endurance race, French/U.S.-car enthusiast Christophe Schwartz has constructed a recreation of the original Olympia Charger with backing from France, England, Switzerland, and the U.S. His co-driver will be Dick Pierson, an original member of the McGriff team. The goal is to run the car at this summer's Le Mans Classic vintage race.

 

 

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Schwartz's Big Bad Dodge, which is an accurate—though not identical—replica of the McGriff original, is FIA-certified for vintage-car events. Herschel McGriff tells us he thought the engine was a 440 Wedge, but is confident it wasn't a 426 Hemi, as seen in the recreation. A 426 Wedge, perhaps, as several official documents indicate 7.0 liters?

No matter: At the car's first test day at Portland International Raceway in late March, the Charger simply astounded. Christophe states: "While being outbraked and outcornered by the small single-seaters, I had to lift on the straightaways in order not to push them off the track. Brakes are vintage Hurst/Airheart discs on all four corners, and they try hard to slow down the car's 3,800 pounds. The 426 Hemi's 700-plus horsepower reverberates inside the cockpit louder than you can imagine."

 

 

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The car looks and sounds stunning. Circulating PIR in its original Olympia livery, the reborn Charger caught the attention of everyone within eye- or earshot. For those attending the Le Mans Classic this summer, the French countryside will hear the rumble of 7.0 liters of classic NASCAR muscle for the first time in three decades.

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[404KF2]

A NASCAR Nova ran in 1975 IIRC.  Remember it from a R&T report way back when.

[Bob Riebe]

Bobby Allison raced this Chevy II Nova at the 1976 Daytona 24 hrs. but while he may have wanted to, did not race  at LeMans in a stock car.

The only other U.S. sedan I know of racing at Lemans were the Stratagraph Camaros years later..

 

 

 

 

Of all the Daytona 24 hrs. that is the one I wish I had attended.

It had a LOT of Stock Cars.

Edited by Bob Riebe, 17 November 2020 - 07:59.

[RCH]

Sounds like a bit of an excuse to me, only 81 octane fuel available at Le Mans in 1976? Surely every petrol station was selling a least 95 octane by then?

[Charlieman]

That was my instinctive response too, Rod. A few months later, Penske and McLaren were in trouble at the Italian GP because their racing fuel was judged to be illegal. Both team convincingly argued that petrol of its type was widely available at European filling stations. At the time there were many performance road cars which required four star or even five star petrol, although family cars were designed to run best on three star. Companies like Porsche were unusual in that their cars would run on two star when absolutely necessary, but I wouldn't try that with one of their racers.

[Red Socks]

Quote Janos Wimpffen Time and Two Seats ''Due to a mis-translation about the differences between American and European octane ratings the cars were supplied with low grade that damaged the engines''

[racinggeek]

Bobby Allison raced this Chevy II Nova at the 1976 Daytona 24 hrs. but while he may have wanted to, did not race  at LeMans in a stock car.

The only other U.S. sedan I know of racing at Lemans were the Stratagraph Camaros years later..

 

 

 

 

Of all the Daytona 24 hrs. that is the one I wish I had attended.

It had a LOT of Stock Cars.

 

Jack Bowsher's Ford Torino, which I seem to recall had some association with the Wood Brothers, won the Grand International (stock car) class that year with David Pearson among those driving and Purolator sponsorship. Wasn't that the Ford team that planned to go to Le Mans but didn't make it? Side note: Pearson would go on to win the Daytona 500 in the Wood Brothers No. 21 Purolator Mercury a few weeks later in that epic finish with Richard Petty, giving him the 24 Hours and 500 in the same year.

[Zoe]

Quote Janos Wimpffen Time and Two Seats ''Due to a mis-translation about the differences between American and European octane ratings the cars were supplied with low grade that damaged the engines''

ROZ vs MOZ?

[d j fox]

Was at this race and looked forward to actually seeing real NASCAR cars.....we saw the Dodge pass once and then never again and the Ford plodding around near back...sounding splendid though. We all anticipated great things from the pit stops ( having seen the Daytona 500 movies at BRSCC midnight movie shows) but they were not that special. Odd that there’s no mention of French racer Marcel Mignot on the Ford team I assume he was placed there by the ACO? The real American star just had to be John Greenwood’s “Spirit of Le Mans “ ground shaking Corvette

[Lee Nicolle]

They were modified NASCAR cars; most likely road race cars though back in those days, teams did not have the fleet of cars they have nowadays.

The Ford was Junie Donley's and he was a low buck owner while the Dodge came out of the North West not down South although it was a Petty built car.

The Ford that did not race WAS an IMSA  road race special that was not legal for  even NASCAR road races. 

 

If you read the article, they were not prepared for the bunny piss gasoline in France and failed to get any from the U.S. in time for the race.

As I said they were not Nascars, but cars built using a lot of Nascar technology.

As for fuel?  Since no end of US teams had raced there the fuel quality should have been known. Ford was there numerous times with GT40s among many others.

Plenty of Euro cars sold here in Oz, recomended fuel in that time was Super grade which was around 96 octane. On 8.5-9.5-1 compression ratios.

It seems what is sold here in Oz as 98 ULP is marketed as 93 in the US.

And  even strangled performance US cars still had 9-1 in that period.

One would have thought that that event was using Avgas. We did here in Oz and most countries accepted it. 100 octane Avgas is 100-115.

The low lead stuff inflicted upon us now is not ideal for any engines. Aircraft or wheeled.

You really need better ignition and a little less timing. Not ideal but apart from the cost the same for everyone.

Big old radial aircraft engines reputedly do not last as long on it. Why? The unleaded is a cleaner fuel but slower burning so there probably lays the problem. More normal engines such as older Lycomings do not produce the same power and like old car engines do not like starting and cold running. Once warm are ok, just down a little on power