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#1 FirstnameLastname

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Posted 20 November 2020 - 13:21

I received an invitation to take part in a fan survey by F1 specifically regarding the Saudi race and my thoughts/feelings toward it.

Did anyone else take part? And do you think it would change the intent to go there?

Also bolted on was some questions on night races... do you think they add to F1 and are any more exciting? They are lit up so brightly that i don’t think it makes a difference!

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#2 Imperial

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Posted 20 November 2020 - 13:37

No, but I'd be curious to know what the questions were, if you don't mind?

 

No need to share your responses, of course.



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Posted 20 November 2020 - 14:02

the results will be spinned to death to somehow justify that the fans arent strongly opposed the race. We all know how this works.

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Posted 20 November 2020 - 14:07

the results will be spinned to death to somehow justify that the fans arent strongly opposed the race. We all know how this works.


This.

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Posted 20 November 2020 - 14:10

the results will be spinned to death to somehow justify that the fans arent strongly opposed the race. We all know how this works.

 

Correct, which is unfortunate as this is arguably the worst possible country F1 have ever decided to host a race in.



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Posted 20 November 2020 - 14:20

I haven't received that survey yet, but since I completed the one about the 2021 calendar I suspect I might be on their list. 

 

I made a few comments about Saudi Arabia being the race I was "least looking forward to"...indeed stated I will not be watching it on any platform.



#7 Lights

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Posted 20 November 2020 - 14:25

Let me guess, are these the possible multiple choice answers?

  • Yes, I'm excited for the Saudi Arabia Grand Prix
  • Yes, I'm looking forward to the Saudi Arabia Grand Prix
  • Yes, I can't wait for the Saudi Arabia Grand Prix
  • No, but I like to be positively surprised.


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Posted 20 November 2020 - 14:43

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#9 Requiem84

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Posted 20 November 2020 - 14:44

Instead of being sarcastic and negative, we could also applaud that F1 is organizing a Fan survey for this.

 

But of course the initial reaction is cynicism :).



#10 Imperial

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Posted 20 November 2020 - 15:00

Although it would/will help to know what they actually ask as part of the survey...



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Posted 20 November 2020 - 15:08

They asked if you knew there was a race in Saudi Arabia, how excited were you, would you go and a text box for other comments. There was also a question about how psyched or other wise you are about it being a night race.

 

So yeah, you absolutely could say yes, I know there’s going to be a race, no I am not at all excited, hell no am I going and I don’t give a rats ass about the night element to it all, for example.



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Posted 20 November 2020 - 15:46

I got it and made sure my displeasure was clear.



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Posted 20 November 2020 - 15:54

Instead of being sarcastic and negative, we could also applaud that F1 is organizing a Fan survey for this.

 

But of course the initial reaction is cynicism :).

Were FOM concerned about potential fan reaction they would have commissioned the survey prior to adding the race.



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Posted 20 November 2020 - 16:06

Were FOM concerned about potential fan reaction they would have commissioned the survey prior to adding the race.

 

So, after adding the race it then suddenly is better not to ask the fans their view? 



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Posted 20 November 2020 - 17:04

I didn't get it either.



#16 BRG

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Posted 20 November 2020 - 17:17

So, after adding the race it then suddenly is better not to ask the fans their view? 

Not when we all know they will completely ignore any feedback that doesn't fit the 'Wow. a race in Saudi Arabia!  I can't wait!' scenario. Or do you fondly imagine that a negative response will lead to the race being cancelled?



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Posted 20 November 2020 - 17:30

Fans will vote with their television.

 

Don't know which way, though.



#18 JustNotFastEnough

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Posted 20 November 2020 - 17:36

"If the Saudi race does not take place, I'll be cut up about it. I'll literally be in pieces, and mortified" 

Signed.

MBS.



#19 absinthedude

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Posted 20 November 2020 - 17:45

I have received an invite to the survey and hopefully made my reaction clear.

 

I suspect a majority of respondents will be somewhat positive about night races in general and that F1 will use this to justify the race.  But at least they've reached out to get an idea of how many existing fans are feeling about this race. I don't expect it to be cancelled, but do expect them to realise they need to do some work on justifying it.



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#20 NixxxoN

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Posted 20 November 2020 - 17:59

Lmao. Another crappy "Money GP"

I thought the fossil fuel era was coming to an end?

Stop selling out to the pedrodollars FFS. Keep the races where the fans are.

We've got already Bahrain and Abu Dhabi there, thats already too much IMO... and now a 3rd one?


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Posted 21 November 2020 - 00:18

Fans will vote with their television.

 

Don't know which way, though.

 

I do. No one who follows the series will not watch it on TV. People do a lot of talking, but when they have to act, very few are prepared to.



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Posted 21 November 2020 - 00:20

the results will be spinned to death to somehow justify that the fans arent strongly opposed the race. We all know how this works.

 

What usually happens with these sort of things is that they will pick out any positives and if there are none, then they will just quietly file the results away in the dumpster around the back.



#23 Imperial

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Posted 21 November 2020 - 10:17

No one who follows the series will not watch it on TV.


You can confidently predict the feelings and actions of the 471 million people who watch F1?

#24 Clatter

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Posted 21 November 2020 - 12:51

Fans will vote with their television.

 

Don't know which way, though.

 


Even if they don't watch Liberty still get their money.

#25 pdac

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Posted 21 November 2020 - 12:54

You can confidently predict the feelings and actions of the 471 million people who watch F1?

 

For certain criteria and within a reasonable level of confidence, yes. When it happens and I am wrong about this, you can remind eveyone.



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Posted 21 November 2020 - 13:28

I will not make myself better than I am, if the WDC is tight and Saudi Arabia could swing it I will most likely watch, of does not mean anything I will pass - All that will really do is make me a hypocrite, and Liberty not the least concerned.



#27 Imperial

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Posted 21 November 2020 - 16:08

For certain criteria and within a reasonable level of confidence, yes.


You should ask Liberty for a job, being able to save them from wasting their money on surveys would be a good interview pitch.

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Posted 21 November 2020 - 16:16

Although it would/will help to know what they actually ask as part of the survey...

 

Unless otherwise written in ( ) after a question, they are multi-choice questions.

  • Did you know about it before today?
  • What are your initial feelings towards the introduction of a race in Saudi Arabia?
  • How excited are you for the race in Saudi Arabia?
  • Provided its safe to attend races in 2021, how likely would you be to attend the Saudi Arabian GP in 2021?
  • How likely will you be to attend a Saudi Arabian race at any point in the future?
  • You said you were unlikely to ever attend a race in Saudi Arabia, what are the main reasons you would be unlikely to attend? (Textbox answer, question based on what you have answered previously)

 

That's half the survey. Then there is "Thoughts about night races in general"

 

  • Do you think that the decision to run the Saudi Arabian GP at night will make the race more exciting?
  • Overall, do you think that night races are better/worse than F1 races run in the day?
  • Do you think that Formula 1 should look to have more/less night races on the calendar?
  • If you have any more comments on night races or the Saudi Arabian GP, please feel free to put them here. (Textbox answer)


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Posted 21 November 2020 - 16:25

Whoa, I want one of those too in my inbox.

Would love to highlight how completely hyped I am for this new race in a high-tech modern venue in such a forward thinking exotic place - home of ARAMCO.

 

Also would love to add on it that I am also hyped for Rio replacing boring Interlagos and a redundant suburban forest, how proud I am of what a great job Masi is doing, how amazing the DRS looks under the lights, the phenomenal services offered by the official app F1TV, how much I miss the mascot, what can I do to make sure they add more HUGE VIRTUAL FAN SCREENS during a race and to let them know that so many of my friends would tune into the races if they were reverse grid.



#30 pdac

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Posted 21 November 2020 - 18:25

You should ask Liberty for a job, being able to save them from wasting their money on surveys would be a good interview pitch.

 

Not a waste of money, though, as I pointed out in my other post. There's a difference between knowing something as fact and having hard evidence to back it up (any lawyer will tell you that). But here, it's pretty simple. The suggestion is that people might not watch the F1 race on TV because they are opposed to the regime in the country hosting it. Well I say:

 

1. Not many will even know about it

2. Even fewer will care about it

3. Of those that know any care, they will be forced to choose between two things they care about F1 and the regime in the country

 

I would say it's a pretty tall order to think that there will be more than a small small percentage of the F1 audience left once you whittle it down like that. But, even then, it can be whittled down further because, amongst that small group will be some that realise that their actions will amount to nothing and will then not bother.



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Posted 21 November 2020 - 18:30

Whoa, I want one of those too in my inbox.

Would love to highlight how completely hyped I am for this new race in a high-tech modern venue in such a forward thinking exotic place - home of ARAMCO.

 

Also would love to add on it that I am also hyped for Rio replacing boring Interlagos and a redundant suburban forest, how proud I am of what a great job Masi is doing, how amazing the DRS looks under the lights, the phenomenal services offered by the official app F1TV, how much I miss the mascot, what can I do to make sure they add more HUGE VIRTUAL FAN SCREENS during a race and to let them know that so many of my friends would tune into the races if they were reverse grid.

:up:  :lol:



#32 pdac

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Posted 21 November 2020 - 18:34

 

Unless otherwise written in ( ) after a question, they are multi-choice questions.

  • Did you know about it before today?
  • What are your initial feelings towards the introduction of a race in Saudi Arabia?
  • How excited are you for the race in Saudi Arabia?
  • Provided its safe to attend races in 2021, how likely would you be to attend the Saudi Arabian GP in 2021?
  • How likely will you be to attend a Saudi Arabian race at any point in the future?
  • You said you were unlikely to ever attend a race in Saudi Arabia, what are the main reasons you would be unlikely to attend? (Textbox answer, question based on what you have answered previously)

 

That's half the survey. Then there is "Thoughts about night races in general"

 

  • Do you think that the decision to run the Saudi Arabian GP at night will make the race more exciting?
  • Overall, do you think that night races are better/worse than F1 races run in the day?
  • Do you think that Formula 1 should look to have more/less night races on the calendar?
  • If you have any more comments on night races or the Saudi Arabian GP, please feel free to put them here. (Textbox answer)

 

 

I've not seen the survey, but surveys have been my job for most of my career. Are you sure your not confusing the term "multiple choice". A multiple choice question is a question where several choices are presented and more than one can be selected. On the other hand, if a list of choices are presented (that's known as a closed-ended question) but only one of the choices can be selected, then that's a single choice question.

 

So a question like "Did you know about that before today?" is almost certainly going to be single choice. I would expect the list of choices to be "Yes" and "No" with the possibility of "Not sure" too. But only one choice is valid (you can't answer both "Yes" and "No"). Whereas a question like "Which of these races did you attend?" would probably be multiple choice, because it would have a list of races and the respondent may well have attended more than one.

 

To complete the lesson, here's the basic types of question:

 

- Single choice (where a list of choices are presented and the respondent can select, at most, one)

- Multiple choice (where a list of choices are presented and the respondent can select more than one)

- Open-ended (where the respondent is asked a question that they can answer in their own words)

- Quantity (where the respondent is asked to provide a value - a number or a date, for example - the range of which may be limited or not)


Edited by pdac, 21 November 2020 - 18:40.


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Posted 21 November 2020 - 18:53

Instead of being sarcastic and negative, we could also applaud that F1 is organizing a Fan survey for this.

 

But of course the initial reaction is cynicism :).

 

Bro, 100% Saudi paid for it ...



#34 Myrvold

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Posted 21 November 2020 - 19:20

I've not seen the survey, but surveys have been my job for most of my career. Are you sure your not confusing the term "multiple choice". A multiple choice question is a question where several choices are presented and more than one can be selected. On the other hand, if a list of choices are presented (that's known as a closed-ended question) but only one of the choices can be selected, then that's a single choice question.

 

So a question like "Did you know about that before today?" is almost certainly going to be single choice. I would expect the list of choices to be "Yes" and "No" with the possibility of "Not sure" too. But only one choice is valid (you can't answer both "Yes" and "No"). Whereas a question like "Which of these races did you attend?" would probably be multiple choice, because it would have a list of races and the respondent may well have attended more than one.

 

To complete the lesson, here's the basic types of question:

 

- Single choice (where a list of choices are presented and the respondent can select, at most, one)

- Multiple choice (where a list of choices are presented and the respondent can select more than one)

- Open-ended (where the respondent is asked a question that they can answer in their own words)

- Quantity (where the respondent is asked to provide a value - a number or a date, for example - the range of which may be limited or not)

 

Sure! I mean, English isn't my first language, and when you can choose between answers, it's called "multiple-choice" in my native language. As "single-choice" is no choice, it's just... single (again, in my native language). So, I'm sure you're right with regards to how it actually is in English ;)



#35 PayasYouRace

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Posted 21 November 2020 - 19:36

Common usage in English is "multiple choice". I'm not going to question pdac's specialist knowledge, but there's a difference between specialist knowledge and common usage.

 

For an example from my specialisation (which is a bit more relevant to here) it's a bit like people who say "spolier" when they mean "wing".



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Posted 21 November 2020 - 20:35

So, after adding the race it then suddenly is better not to ask the fans their view? 

It’s a moot point.  The race has been added. FOM ins’t going to yank the contract based on the results of the survey.  The House of Saud is in the middle of a “rebranding” so to speak.  They’re opening up for tourism like the Emirates have and need to polish their image to do so. 



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Posted 21 November 2020 - 21:52

Sure! I mean, English isn't my first language, and when you can choose between answers, it's called "multiple-choice" in my native language. As "single-choice" is no choice, it's just... single (again, in my native language). So, I'm sure you're right with regards to how it actually is in English ;)

 

 

Common usage in English is "multiple choice". I'm not going to question pdac's specialist knowledge, but there's a difference between specialist knowledge and common usage.

 

For an example from my specialisation (which is a bit more relevant to here) it's a bit like people who say "spolier" when they mean "wing".

 

My problem, not yours. I wasn't sure whether it was originally just confusion. But it's my problem that I'm disturbed by other meanings being attached to terms that I understand to mean something specific - which is absolutely illustrated by the "spoiler"/"wing" example.



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Posted 21 November 2020 - 21:57

Maybe a thread like this can lead media (looking at you Autosport) raise the critical questions of going there.



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Posted 22 November 2020 - 08:36

Maybe a thread like this can lead media (looking at you Autosport) raise the critical questions of going there.


The first obstacle in overcoming that would be for the current Autosport staff to discover they have a forum.

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Posted 22 November 2020 - 09:47

This survey does not seem to be anything out of the ordinary. I assume they send it out for every new race. Has anyone gotten one for the Netherlands?



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Posted 22 November 2020 - 18:52

I do. No one who follows the series will not watch it on TV. People do a lot of talking, but when they have to act, very few are prepared to.

 

Well I for one will not be purchasing any F1 "tat" (hats, shirts, coats etc) anymore as well as not buying the next F1 game etc.  I also expect them to spin this so hard in whatever positive direction they can find that the earth will go into reverse.



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Posted 22 November 2020 - 20:21

Well I for one will not be purchasing any F1 "tat" (hats, shirts, coats etc) anymore as well as not buying the next F1 game etc.  I also expect them to spin this so hard in whatever positive direction they can find that the earth will go into reverse.

 

Ah, but will you still watch it on TV (which is what the discussion was about)?



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Posted 22 November 2020 - 20:24

I feel like a lot of this opposition would appear a lot stronger if there hadn't already been a rather successful Saudi ePrix just last year. F1 isn't leading the way here.



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Posted 22 November 2020 - 20:39

The 2020 Dakar was there as well.



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Posted 22 November 2020 - 20:52

The survey appeared for me on F1 Fan Voice. I let them know my feelings about adding a Saudi race (and similar sentiments concerning one or two others as well).

 

I'm a believer in sport as a way to open dialogue on contentious issues but I haven't seen any evidence of this having worked with Saudi Arabia as of yet. Others have gone there, and I even supported some of those decisions initially, but my mind has changed. I need to see real action, not words and money thrown at attracting international events for pr purposes.



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Posted 22 November 2020 - 23:27

I feel like a lot of this opposition would appear a lot stronger if there hadn't already been a rather successful Saudi ePrix just last year. F1 isn't leading the way here.

 

FE is a ripple across a lake compared to F1's stormy North Atlantic media and Joe Public knowledge wise.



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Posted 23 November 2020 - 22:54

Ah, but will you still watch it on TV (which is what the discussion was about)?

 

If allowed to I will be in a far off land, if not I will find anything (except a soap/reality TV... I have some standards) else to watch.



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Posted 24 November 2020 - 07:50

I feel like a lot of this opposition would appear a lot stronger if there hadn't already been a rather successful Saudi ePrix just last year. F1 isn't leading the way here.

 

The thought has struck me that apologists for the F1 race may well be missing the fact that they think everything is fine because "a rather successful Saudi ePrix" has already taken place, and not appreciate that they have been well and truly had. Sportswashing in full effect my friend.

 

Ever heard of the phrase "buttered up"?


Edited by Imperial, 24 November 2020 - 07:54.


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Posted 24 November 2020 - 08:10

The thought has struck me that apologists for the F1 race may well be missing the fact that they think everything is fine because "a rather successful Saudi ePrix" has already taken place, and not appreciate that they have been well and truly had. Sportswashing in full effect my friend.

Ever heard of the phrase "buttered up"?

I just think a lot of this opposition is too late to stop the Grand Prix happening. If nobody cared enough for FE, then why should F1 be any different?

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Posted 24 November 2020 - 09:09

I just think a lot of this opposition is too late to stop the Grand Prix happening. If nobody cared enough for FE, then why should F1 be any different?

 

I hear what you're saying and appreciate that of course.

 

But a group like Amnesty International, while it does have a massive budget, they still have to use that budget wisely and I dare say they'd simply have been wasting money and staff resources if they'd gone in full force over the FE race - just on the basis that hardly anyone watches FE, and beyond the specialist motorsport press it gets zero coverage in the media unless a cool-looking crash has happened. So, as with all things publicity, they've gone for the event that gets the most attention.

 

Did Amnesty know in advance that there'd be an F1 race announced though? Maybe taking a reactive stance was the only one available to them.