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[Rodaknee]

The final 3 races in WSB this weekend - all at silly O'clock, as it's coming from Indonesia.

 

Eurosport UK race times.  Highlights Sat & Sun at 8pm for a whole hour.

 

Saturday
02:25 WorldSSP - Superpole
03:10 WorldSBK - Superpole
05:30 WorldSSP - Race
07:00 WorldSBK - Race 1

Sunday
03:00 WorldSBK - Superpole Race
05:30 WorldSSP - Race 2
07:00 WorldSBK - Race 2

 

I can't see Rea beating Razgatlioglu, the Kawasaki is quite a lot slower than the Yamaha.

Edited by Rodaknee, 19 November 2021 - 01:33.

[Touchdown]

I completely don't understand why people criticize Honda that they should get better riders. They tried to get good riders, first they signed Lorenzo a 3-times MotoGp world champion for 2018, then they got Alex Marquez a Moto3 and Moto2 world champion and finally Pol Espargaro a former Moto2 world champion, he also finished 5th on a KTM in 2020 ahead of Quartararo for example. I think they did what they could given the circumstances. The real probably is their motogp bike has a reputation of being difficult to ride and only Marquez was able to be constantly fast on it.

I still think with a more usable bike Alex Marquez can develop into a pretty decent MotoGP rider - obvioulsy he was slow to get going in Moto3 and Moto2 but he was a champion when he found his feet, and there's been some more than decent rides when he's gotten it all together.

[Rodaknee]

WSB Indonesia - monsoon season starts in November.

 

Shock, horror - it's pissing down and race is delayed.

[sportyskells]

Weather permitting as it tipping it down in Indonesia which has caused it to be delayed

[sportyskells]

Race has been delayed until tomorrow

[thegamer23]

WSB Indonesia - monsoon season starts in November.

 

Shock, horror - it's pissing down and race is delayed.

 

There goes the season finale 

 

[Risil]

Oops

[Rodaknee]

New schedule for Sunday's season final WSB

The Superpole race has been binned.

 

Local times

11:00 WorldSBK - Race 1
13:30 WorldSSP - Race 2
15:00 WorldSBK - Race 2

UK times
03:00 WorldSBK - Race 1
05:30 WorldSSP - Race 2
07:00 WorldSBK - Race 2

 

We might see one race.  It's looking like a disaster from here.

 

[ehagar]

Toprak almost crashed on the sighting lap! Slippy curbs.

[ehagar]

Toprak pushing to win this race.

[ehagar]

Toprak wide. Getting interesting!

[ehagar]

Valiant defence by Rea, but Toprak wins the title! Great season, and hopefully another race weather permitting. #YamahaPower!

[DS27]

Whoops, should have watched the race before looking at this, but well deserved by Toprak.

[thegamer23]

What a season it was.
Best in years

Congrats to Raz, super deserved, and Rea for the valiant title defence.

[OvDrone]

World Superbikes was my favorite series season this year of all Motorsport and I think it'll end that way with F1 second. Happy that we managed to have a finale with monsoon season in full swing.

 

I think it was 51% Rea and 49% Razgatlioglu support-wise on my end but very happy for Toprak and to see the emotions when he dedicated it to his father. Great scenes.

 

A silly sidenote: y'all know I'm an Astrologer and it's interesting to see the parallels this season between WSBK and F1. Toprak the young pretender - a Libra vs. the older master Jonathan - a Capricorn. It's the same in F1 with Max - Libra and Lewis - Capricorn. We'll see how it'll go but I wouldn't not be surprised to see a replay of WSBK in F1 as well. I am behind the Earth signs always in all series haha.

Huge Congrats to Yamaha as a whole as well - both MotoGP and Superbike World Championship - PHENOMENAL.

 

Cannot wait for the bikes to get going next year. Thankfully that start early with Supercross in January!

[messy]

I’ll always remember this year as the one where World Superbikes absolutely came roaring back to life.

And about time, too.

[thegamer23]

Could be good for next Moto's season op 

 

Edited by thegamer23, 22 November 2021 - 16:44.

[DS27]

Sean Dylan Kelly half a second quicker than team mate Cameron on day 1 of the post season testing in Moto 2 looks promising. All the rookies from Moto 3 look like they were doing a solid job.

[balage06]

Three sibling pairs on the grid, isn't that some sort of record?

[F1matt]

Sean Dylan Kelly half a second quicker than team mate Cameron on day 1 of the post season testing in Moto 2 looks promising. All the rookies from Moto 3 look like they were doing a solid job.

 

 

I thought Pedro Acosta had already won the 2022 Moto2 title according to the media? 

[DS27]

I thought Pedro Acosta had already won the 2022 Moto2 title according to the media? 

 

 

It's a tough ask, but that being said, I don't think many would be too surprised if he did manage to pull it off.

[F1matt]

It's a tough ask, but that being said, I don't think many would be too surprised if he did manage to pull it off.

 

 

I am looking forward to Moto2 next year tbh, probably more than MotoGP as I think the Ducati's might just ride off into the distance. Acosta is a talent and seeing what he can do on a more powerful bike will be good to watch, I hope he can deal with the pressure. 

[Risil]

Michelin are apparently developing a new rear tyre but it probably won't be ready till 2023. So I think it's reasonable to assume that 2022's form will be a continuation of 2021. Yamaha and Honda will surely be working hard over the winter though.

 

(I think it might be time to start thinking about a new thread now posts about 2022 are beginning to proliferate.)

[Dolph]

Three sibling pairs on the grid, isn't that some sort of record?

 

I think so, but it already happened in 2021. Marquez, Espargaro, Rossi-Marini (half brothers)

[ArnageWRC]

Interesting transfer news; Sam Sunderland has moved from KTM to GasGas.......Dakar on a new bike then and FIM Rally World Championship.

[Rodaknee]

MotoGP is going green in 2027.  All the fuel used the 3 classes must be

 

 

...either biofuels from waste matter, or synthetic fuels made from combining carbon dioxide and hydrogen in a laboratory. Both processes will have to use renewable energy.

 

I don't produce enough waste to run a push bike, so where all this fuel coming from is a mystery.

 

https://www.motorspo...-fuel-from-2027

[JRodrigues]

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Edited by JRodrigues, 24 November 2021 - 20:20.

[realracer200]

https://www.motorspo...rector/6817110/

 

wow very interesting.

[Zoe]

MotoGP is going green in 2027.  All the fuel used the 3 classes must be

 

 

I don't produce enough waste to run a push bike, so where all this fuel coming from is a mystery.

 

https://www.motorspo...-fuel-from-2027

Maybe because you are not the only person on Earth?

[dissident]

https://www.motorspo...rector/6817110/

 

wow very interesting.

It was a really odd year for KTM.

 

Started off nowhere, at one point almost looked the best bike and then it was hit and miss (mostly miss) again...

[Rodaknee]

Maybe because you are not the only person on Earth?

If they continue to grow foodstuffs to make liquid fuel, I might be the only person on Earth.

 

Much the same for making fuel in a lab.  It takes a lot of energy to create 'liquid energy'.  For example, there's massive electrical energy being wasted to create crypto currencies.

[Rodaknee]

MotoGP is going to feature in it's own version of Drive to Survive - this time on Amazon.

 

I guess we'll get to see history re-written and all kinds of nonsense being made up 'for the show'.

 

https://www.bikespor...-show-on-amazon

[ehagar]

If they continue to grow foodstuffs to make liquid fuel, I might be the only person on Earth.

 

Much the same for making fuel in a lab.  It takes a lot of energy to create 'liquid energy'.  For example, there's massive electrical energy being wasted to create crypto currencies.

 

 

E-fuels make me wonder... They raise so many questions that I haven't resolved in my mind like:

 

1. Where does the fuel come from and what are the non-CO2 environmental costs?

2. Is this farm based fuel? If it is, how much land is required and what happens to the soil... farming is an intensive process and are you robbing valuable topsoil nutrients (for food) for fuel?

3. What's the difference between Gen I and Gen II biofuels? I am leary of the GenI Bio-Fuels (Ethanol) that we currently use... there has been evidence that it's a bad idea. How are GenII fuels better?

4. Do the fuels perform poorly versus standard fuels? (eg. Ethanol engine corrosion)

5. I think I saw it being called 'sustainable' fuels... does that mean they have some sort of equivalency formula for the cost of deforestation/land use? Or is this all CO2 based?

Edited by ehagar, 26 November 2021 - 15:11.

[Risil]

And then thinking myopically: what'll the effect be on the power and rideability of the MotoGP bikes? There was a big shake-up in 1998 when they went to unleaded fuel.

[ehagar]

Maybe that will be a positive? The current GP bikes are getting quite scary in terms of top speed (they are outgrowing some circuits), maybe slightly less energy intensity fuels will blunt them a smidge?

[Risil]

10 years of Yamaha dominance confirmed

[RPM40]

MotoGP is going green in 2027.  All the fuel used the 3 classes must be

 

 

I don't produce enough waste to run a push bike, so where all this fuel coming from is a mystery.

 

https://www.motorspo...-fuel-from-2027

 

It would be coming from there being 7 billion people on earth. 

 

They are going to have to go renewables sooner rather than later.  I'm not sure how far a full electric formula is away, but they seem to be getting there in Moto E.

Edited by RPM40, 27 November 2021 - 00:28.

[ARTGP]

And then thinking myopically: what'll the effect be on the power and rideability of the MotoGP bikes? There was a big shake-up in 1998 when they went to unleaded fuel.

 

Ducati's gonna Ducati.

[Rodaknee]

It would be coming from there being 7 billion people on earth. 

 

They are going to have to go renewables sooner rather than later.  I'm not sure how far a full electric formula is away, but they seem to be getting there in Moto E.

How many of those 7 billion recycle food waste?  Very, very few, even in the UK.  For example, Brands Hatch comes under Sevenoaks council, they don't have food waste collections.  It all goes into the council tip.  Have you seen those massive rubbish dumps in Africa?  Liquid fuel will only be available in large quantities when its made directly from farm grown food.

[Rodaknee]

E-fuels make me wonder... They raise so many questions that I haven't resolved in my mind like:

 

1. Where does the fuel come from and what are the non-CO2 environmental costs?

2. Is this farm based fuel? If it is, how much land is required and what happens to the soil... farming is an intensive process and are you robbing valuable topsoil nutrients (for food) for fuel?

3. What's the difference between Gen I and Gen II biofuels? I am leary of the GenI Bio-Fuels (Ethanol) that we currently use... there has been evidence that it's a bad idea. How are GenII fuels better?

4. Do the fuels perform poorly versus standard fuels? (eg. Ethanol engine corrosion)

5. I think I saw it being called 'sustainable' fuels... does that mean they have some sort of equivalency formula for the cost of deforestation/land use? Or is this all CO2 based?

It's Green washing, which isn't a phrase I've used before.  The fuel will contain special additives, like all racing fuel does now.  It won't be the same stuff you will buy at the petrol pump.  So it will need to be taken around the world to the various race tracks, as no locally made fuel will be the same across the world - all made from different stuff innit.  How green would that be?