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[d246]

I wonder if Ron will ever be forgiven and awarded a Knighthood.

[jjcale]

https://www.bbc.co.u...rmula1/59666530

Lewis received his title () today from Prince Charles

 

 

[jjcale]

Would have hoped to see Lewis turn this down rather than lend credibility to a monarch.

 

LOL ... why would he start now 

 

That said, I can see where you are coming from. 

[DW46]

Its all fun and games until you realise its only a matter of time before the Horners become Sir Christian & Dame Geri

Oh dear lord . . . The forum would implode

[garoidb]

Would have hoped to see Lewis turn this down rather than lend credibility to a monarch.

 

I am not British and don't care about these titles but I can't see where you ever got that kind of hope from  .

[BRG]

 Its all fun and games until you realise its only a matter of time before the Horners become Sir Christian & Dame Geri

It would be Lady Geri if Christian were to be knighted.  The wives of knights are allowed an honorary title of 'Lady'.  To become Dame Geri, she would have to be awarded the title in her own right, Dame being the female equivalent of a knighthood.  Bizarrely, in this day and age, the husbands of Dames do not get an honorary title. ANd let us not even think about arrangements for same sex couples....

 

So much for equality!

 

Would have hoped to see Lewis turn this down rather than lend credibility to a monarch.

Why do you imagine that Lewis might share your (presumably) anti-monarchist sentiments?  He may well be strongly pro-monarchy. Why shouldn't he be?  The vast majority of the British population is, after all.

 

And the honours system is a British state mechanism for honouring those who have served the community above and beyond the call of duty (and for former politicians).  It doesn't  lend credibility to a monarch' (what an odd idea!).  As the Head of State, the Queen or her representative bestows the honours, just as the President of France dishes out the Legion d'Honneur.  

[Singularity]

Well, this means that, next year, Max has to race with a polite "After you, Sir!" 

[Scaboo22]

Happy for him and well deserved! And loved to see him bring his mom, what a great moment for the both of them!

[ajcrean]

Nice pic of Lewis wearing the badge of Knight Bachelor:

 

[Alan Baker]

It would be Lady Geri if Christian were to be knighted.  The wives of knights are allowed an honorary title of 'Lady'.  To become Dame Geri, she would have to be awarded the title in her own right, Dame being the female equivalent of a knighthood.  Bizarrely, in this day and age, the husbands of Dames do not get an honorary title. ANd let us not even think about arrangements for same sex couples....

 

So much for equality!

 

Why do you imagine that Lewis might share your (presumably) anti-monarchist sentiments?  He may well be strongly pro-monarchy. Why shouldn't he be?  The vast majority of the British population is, after all.

 

And the honours system is a British state mechanism for honouring those who have served the community above and beyond the call of duty (and for former politicians).  It doesn't  lend credibility to a monarch' (what an odd idea!).  As the Head of State, the Queen or her representative bestows the honours, just as the President of France dishes out the Legion d'Honneur.  

It would most certainly not be "Lady Geri" if Horner were knighted. The wife derives the title from the husband, so it would be Lady Horner, just as Sir Jackie Stewart's wife is Lady Stewart. Only the daughters of Earls or higher are Lady (first name). This is something that a lot of people get wrong. This also applies to royal marriages, hence Princess of Wales (NOT Princess Diana, although as the daughter of an Earl, she was Lady Diana), and the various Royal .Duchesses. If the royal personage does not merit a higher title, the wife derives her title directly from the husband, as in Princess Michael of Kent.

All this previously stated in post 103!

Edited by Alan Baker, 17 December 2021 - 11:24.

[macjim]

Bernie questions Hamilton's Knighthood, being reported in the Independent, and the Daily Hate, as well as others.

 

https://www.independ...e-b1978072.html

 

https://www.dailymai...knighthood.html

 

Would that be the same BCE, who slipped £1 Million, in a " brown envelope", to Labour prior to the 1997 election?

 

At the time it was never clarified if the money was for Honors' or for Tobacco advertising concessions.

[Roadhouse]

Eccelstone is such a tool.

 

I think Sir Lewis deserves it. It might've come a bit early since he hasn't been pushing for environmental change and equality for very long. But this title will both reward him for what he has achieved thusfar and hopefully help him do (even) more good.

[SkidmarksLeadToTheCrash]

Well deserved knighthood once his off track endeavors and interests are taken into account as well.

[sabjit]

Would have hoped to see Lewis turn this down rather than lend credibility to a monarch.

 

Lewis himself is a royalist. Has on multiple occasions expressed admiration for her majesty and the royal family. 

 

I may add so do most people in Britain. Republicans are merely a noisy minority on the internet.

[absinthedude]

I defend Bernie a lot.....but he's lost the plot now.

[baddog]

I maintain my always-held view that no sportspeople or businesspeople should get gongs merely for being successful in their fields (they are already rewarded massively). I also think they shouldn't give them to people who are young and still active. A lifetime of exceptional service to the country and others, including going far beyond doing your job at least makes awards make sense.

 

HOWEVER given that they do give awards to young and successful sportspeople, Lewis is as deserving as any have been and more than many (He has after all started to do a lot of charity and advocacy work). So more power to him.

[Deeq]

Are you black, Asian, or so called coloured? If not, I’m sorry but you don’t get it and you never will until you approach these debates with compassion and empathy. Trying to understand these issues with your own world view is just a waste of your time, but you’ll find plenty of people to side with you.

When people try to explain these things having personally lived through it, try to put your ego to one side and learn.

WTF! If you are not crazy, you cant work as psychiatricdoctor nonargument.
What the person is saying is wrong/right independent of their identity.
That person is a human being endowed with empathy.

[dannyricsshoe]

I'd prefer Sir Adrian Newey......but I can see Christian getting an honour despite his odious on-screen personality.

Congrats Sir Lewis Hamilton.

I'm pretty sure he's had dinner with the queen and family. I'm sure at the time he found something to complain about as he always does.

[Sterzo]

I'm looking forward to the first session when Bono sends Sir Lewis out in an unsorted, ill-handling Merc. Radio message from the car: "You wouldn't send a knight out in a dog like this."

Edited by Sterzo, 22 December 2021 - 10:42.

[as65p]

I'm looking forward to the first session when Bono sends Sir Lewis out in an unsorted, ill-handling Merc. Radio message from the car: "You wouldn't send a knight out in a dog like this."

Pfft... knights historically have had to endure much worse from their liege lords.

[Vitesse2]

I'm looking forward to the first session when Bono sends Sir Lewis out in an unsorted, ill-handling Merc. Radio message from the car: "You wouldn't send a knight out in a dog like this."

Nice reworking of a very old joke there.

 

As I recall the original version involved a blizzard and a man in armour riding a Great Dane ...

[Sterzo]

Nice reworking of a very old joke there.

 

As I recall the original version involved a blizzard and a man in armour riding a Great Dane ...

I thought jcbc3 might object to that version.

[jcbc3]

Not at all. Give it your best shot. But be prepared for the consequences.............

[BRG]

I'm pretty sure he's had dinner with the queen and family. I'm sure at the time he found something to complain about as he always does.

That would have been because the Queen is a well-known Spice Girls fan and invited Geri + 1.

[absinthedude]

I maintain my always-held view that no sportspeople or businesspeople should get gongs merely for being successful in their fields (they are already rewarded massively). I also think they shouldn't give them to people who are young and still active. A lifetime of exceptional service to the country and others, including going far beyond doing your job at least makes awards make sense.

 

HOWEVER given that they do give awards to young and successful sportspeople, Lewis is as deserving as any have been and more than many (He has after all started to do a lot of charity and advocacy work). So more power to him.

 

I do agree that in the past, elite sports competitors got gongs after they'd retired....for a full career's achievements and often years after when they'd also contributed to other areas of life such as charity work, broadcasting or business. Stirling Moss wasn't knighted until 2000, nearly 40 years after he retired following his Goodwood crash. Cricketer Ian Botham became a Lord in 2020 I think, again over 30 years after his sporting achievements. However Gary Lineker got his OBE right at the end of his football playing career. John Surtees wasn't given an honour until very near the end of his life despite achieving the still unique feat of being World Champion in F1 and on motorcycles. However it has become more common to offer honours to sportspeople who have "done something big"....Olympic gold medal winners and so on. While I do think it is better if they're at least towards the end of their careers. Lewis is no doubt in the autumn of his career and has broken or equalled every desirable record in F1. Truly magnificent achievements so it's fitting that he is knighted. Though it does leave no higher honour to bestow if he goes on to major achievements after his racing days are over. 

[Vitesse2]

Lewis is no doubt in the autumn of his career and has broken or equalled every desirable record in F1. Truly magnificent achievements so it's fitting that he is knighted. Though it does leave no higher honour to bestow if he goes on to major achievements after his racing days are over. 

His MBE could be promoted to OBE or CBE in future, but as he's already a Knight Bachelor, KBE and GBE would be unlikely.

 

Companion of Honour is probably unlikely too, given that it's pretty exclusive and limited to 65 members - although there are two current sporting CHs - Lord Coe and Lady Mary Peters - and a member of the BRDC in the shape of Lord Clarke.
 

[YamahaV10]

 

Why do you imagine that Lewis might share your (presumably) anti-monarchist sentiments?  He may well be strongly pro-monarchy. Why shouldn't he be? 

 

 

Because Lewis Hamiltons politics is strongly left wing. And monarchy is the opposite end of that. Today the terms “left wing” and “right wing” are used as symbolic labels. It comes from the French revolution. The anti-royalists seated themselves to the presiding officer’s left, while the more conservative, aristocratic supporters of the monarchy gathered to the right.
 

[baddog]

Because Lewis Hamiltons politics is strongly left wing. And monarchy is the opposite end of that. Today the terms “left wing” and “right wing” are used as symbolic labels. It comes from the French revolution. The anti-royalists seated themselves to the presiding officer’s left, while the more conservative, aristocratic supporters of the monarchy gathered to the right.
 

 

Are you suggesting that everyone's opinion on contemporary issues is based on that quirky and interesting historical fact, rather than on a lifetime of information and consideration?

 

Left vs Right now in the Western European world is about unrestrained capitalism vs a partially managed economy primarily, with a lot of other coalesced policy around that. Monarchy is literally a non-issue in politics, because they have no power and no-one really cares.

[pacificquay]

Because Lewis Hamiltons politics is strongly left wing. 

Not where you get that from, he has never spoken of his personal politics as far as I can recall.

[DW46]

Best Knight since Sir Lancelot, Heath Ledger or Brienne of Tarth.

Edited by DW46, 28 December 2021 - 10:01.

[DW46]

Because Lewis Hamiltons politics is strongly left wing. And monarchy is the opposite end of that. Today the terms “left wing” and “right wing” are used as symbolic labels. It comes from the French revolution. The anti-royalists seated themselves to the presiding officer’s left, while the more conservative, aristocratic supporters of the monarchy gathered to the right.

Is that where Political right and left came from? I never knew that.

[BRG]

Because Lewis Hamilton's politics is strongly left wing. And monarchy is the opposite end of that. 

The British monarchy is apolitical.  It is a constitutional monarchy and holds itself above the political fray, which is why it has survived so long and remained strongly supported by most of British citizens.  No mainstream UK political party is even slightly in favour of abolition as that would be electoral suicide.  

 

And I doubt if Sir Lewis is strongly left wing.  If he was, he would have displayed his views in some way.  Left-wingers can't stop themselves from spouting their opinions.

[DW46]

The British monarchy is apolitical. It is a constitutional monarchy and holds itself above the political fray, which is why it has survived so long and remained strongly supported by most of British citizens. No mainstream UK political party is even slightly in favour of abolition as that would be electoral suicide.

And I doubt if Sir Lewis is strongly left wing. If he was, he would have displayed his views in some way. Left-wingers can't stop themselves from spouting their opinions.

The younger generation in Yorkshire tend to view the monarchy as the worlds wealthiest benefit cheats. Why so many show deference to a pensioner for opening the odd supermarket and waving remains lost on me.

Lewis has some views you could interpret as left leaning such as his pro diversity stance if you take the modern interpretation of Left from the Mainstream Media.

In reality I doubt he spends his time thinking about who controls the means of production.

[BRG]

Lewis has some views you could interpret as left leaning such as his pro diversity stance

That must make the Conservatives a left-wing party.  Not one but two female leaders (and PMs) and currently two of the Great Offices of State are held by women, one of whom is of Asian descent, as is the Chancellor.   And the rest of the cabinet include female, black and Asian members.

 

Compare and contrast with Labour, lead by SIR Keir Starmer..  And only just getting over it's anti-Semitism scandal.

 

You don't have to be left wing to embrace basic human rights and diversity.

[DW46]

That must make the Conservatives a left-wing party. Not one but two female leaders (and PMs) and currently two of the Great Offices of State are held by women, one of whom is of Asian descent, as is the Chancellor. And the rest of the cabinet include female, black and Asian members.

Compare and contrast with Labour, lead by SIR Keir Starmer.. And only just getting over it's anti-Semitism scandal.

You don't have to be left wing to embrace basic human rights and diversity.

Exactly, the views on culture are neither right nor left. Plus we all secretly know he put Patel in charge of borders to get away with a more extreme policy than otherwise he could.

I’d also suggest that Kier Starmer is more anti Semitic than JC ever was. Look at how many Jewish people he’s kicked out of his own party purely for questioning his refusal to call out atrocities in Palestine.

It’s a fascinating time isn’t it? Apologies for the derail :/

[Vitesse2]

Why so many show deference to a pensioner for opening the odd supermarket and waving remains lost on me.

Why so many people will turn out to see some no-mark from a 'reality tv' series or a 'You Tube celebrity' opening the odd supermarket and waving remains lost on me ... but then I'm not on Twitter or Tik-Tok.

 

But leaving the politics aside, we should just appreciate the fact that a motor sportsman has received one of the highest honours in the land.
 

[DW46]

Why so many people will turn out to see some no-mark from a 'reality tv' series or a 'You Tube celebrity' opening the odd supermarket and waving remains lost on me ... but then I'm not on Twitter or Tik-Tok.

But leaving the politics aside, we should just appreciate the fact that a motor sportsman has received one of the highest honours in the land.

I’m equally bemused by that to be honest. I prefer to think of the monarchy as the Kardashians for the well to do.

As to your final point, I don’t do knighthoods but if any British Sportsman deserved recognition for their contribution to our sport it’s Lewis.

[DW46]

That must make the Conservatives a left-wing party. Not one but two female leaders (and PMs) and currently two of the Great Offices of State are held by women, one of whom is of Asian descent, as is the Chancellor. And the rest of the cabinet include female, black and Asian members.

Compare and contrast with Labour, lead by SIR Keir Starmer.. And only just getting over it's anti-Semitism scandal.

You don't have to be left wing to embrace basic human rights and diversity.

Just re read this, I think we are making the same point and it may have got lost in translation. I don’t think you need to be left or right to care about diversity it was just an example of how I feel “Left” and “Right” are taken out of context by the media. For me Left and Right is pure economics.

[YamahaV10]

Not where you get that from, he has never spoken of his personal politics as far as I can recall.

He is quite open about his politics.

 

Anyway. Some fair points have been made. I somewhat agree that the monarchy is apolitical.

Edited by YamahaV10, 28 December 2021 - 22:27.

[pacificquay]

He is quite open about his politics.

 

I cannot find any example of him talking about his politics and I’ve followed his career for 20 years.

[pRy]

I defend Bernie a lot.....but he's lost the plot now.

 

I'd be interested to see the actual interview to establish the context. Sometimes Bernie rambles a bit and he ends up being misquoted. For example here he is a couple of years ago talking about his feelings regarding the Knighthood system whilst at the same time suggesting there is no reason why Lewis shouldn't receive the honour:

 

https://www.crash.ne...down-knighthood

 

I wouldn't be surprised if he simply repeated this position.