222 replies to this topic

[Kalmake]

This discussion is pretty useless to be honest. It is clear he is great and one of the best. What do you guys actually get from bickering in here?

Yep. What he said is something every driver says if someone is dull enough to ask.

[IridiumBoy]

Hamilton was not faster than Button from 2010 to 2012, in fact, they were pretty similar. 

 

Now Lewis has 7 WDC while Jenson has only 1. 

 

The difference? a dominant car. 

 

Back to those years Lewis was a top driver, but he wasn't considered the best of the grid. He was as good as any other WDC back then: Vettel, Alonso, Button, Kimi, etc. 

 

Stats are not everything. Hamilton is not 7 times better than Button    

[RogerStone]

The same car for everyone says Lewis?   Yes indeed Lewis.   Bloody effin brilliant I'm all for it.

[RogerStone]

So the argument has morphed from “Hamilton will win with equal cars” to “Hamilton wouldn’t win in a Red Bull”. And as usual, the anti-Hamilton brigade push their usual agenda lol.

Why is it so surprising that the best sportspeople win in an equal environment? You think Serena Williams needed a superior racket to dominate tennis? Or did Team Sky need superior bikes to dominate the TDF? Did Bolt need special shoes to dominate sprinting for three olympics?

 

Senna wanted to drive for Williams... for free.    Why is that?  Seriously why?     Stop will the anti-Hamilton brigade agenda BS and make more level headed posts please.  

[PlayboyRacer]

Hamilton was not faster than Button from 2010 to 2012, in fact, they were pretty similar.

That's a nice alternative universe you're living in.

[CountDooku]

Hamilton was not faster than Button from 2010 to 2012, in fact, they were pretty similar.

Now Lewis has 7 WDC while Jenson has only 1.

The difference? a dominant car.

Back to those years Lewis was a top driver, but he wasn't considered the best of the grid. He was as good as any other WDC back then: Vettel, Alonso, Button, Kimi, etc.

Stats are not everything. Hamilton is not 7 times better than Button

Eh? Hamilton was SIGNIFICANTLY faster than Button. He dominated him on Saturdays and when both cars finished, he was usually ahead by a good margin. Lewis had shocking reliability in McLaren (remember the “car breaker” claim?) and also made lots of errors in 2011.
On pure pace he was miles ahead.

[CountDooku]

Senna wanted to drive for Williams... for free. Why is that? Seriously why? Stop will the anti-Hamilton brigade agenda BS and make more level headed posts please.

Comedy gold coming from you of all people! 🥸

[RogerStone]

Comedy gold coming from you of all people!

 

 What's comical about my post?  Senna proposed to drive for free for Frank because he had the best car in f1.  

[Dhillon]

Hamilton was not faster than Button from 2010 to 2012, in fact, they were pretty similar. 

 

 

 

That's a nice alternative universe you're living in.

 

I guesss I was in the same universer as him. Lewis was faster in quali but Button has similar or even slighlty better race craft or atleast more consistent.

 

Like Senna/Prost without the fireworks.

[PlayboyRacer]

I guesss I was in the same universer as him.

Apparently so.

[Rodaknee]

 What's comical about my post?  Senna proposed to drive for free for Frank because he had the best car in f1.  

Did he?  No win bonuses ?  Was that before or after this?

 

 

Senna turned down contract to drive for Williams in 1992 ‘out of loyalty to Honda’

 

 

https://www.racefans...yalty-to-honda/

[FTB]

Lewis and Schumacher have won the most number of wet weather races in F1. Senna with 14 ranks 3rd, while JB with 7 ranks 4th. Vettel and Alonso have 4 and Max has 2.. so far.

Pretty sure Vettel has 3 wet weather wins ( Monza 2008, Shanghai 2009, Sepang 2013 ). And Max 1 ( Hockenheim 2019 )

[PlayboyRacer]

Lewis and Schumacher have won the most number of wet weather races in F1. Senna with 14 ranks 3rd, while JB with 7 ranks 4th. Vettel and Alonso have 4 and Max has 2.. so far.

Damon Hill has 3, should have been 4 (Monaco 1996). Just reinforcing how underrated he actually is. Comfortably amongst that company.

[as65p]

On pure pace he was miles ahead.

Hyperbole never helps. Like... never.

[PlayboyRacer]

Hyperbole never helps. Like... never.

9 pole positions to 1. No hyperbole in that statement.

[sabjit]

I'll bet you he is amongst us.

 

Sennafan24 sus

[shure]

Did he?  No win bonuses ?  Was that before or after this?

 

 

 

https://www.racefans...yalty-to-honda/

After I believe.  Senna made his famous offer at the Hungarian Grand Prix in 1992

[NixxxoN]

 

He lost in 2007, but let's not forget he beat a more experienced double world champ in the same car

 

Not to mention  2017 and 2018, thrashing an evenly matched Ferrari

 

What a pointless discussion

 

Please... Alonso would have beat Hamilton that year if the team didn't stop supporting him. Ron Dennis made one of the biggest driver management messups in F1 history... Sign a 2x WDC to end up giving him number 2 status. Lol

 

Even my granny would've done it better than Ron Dennis

Edited by NixxxoN, 28 November 2020 - 12:29.

[Requiem84]

And we’re back full circle. Feels like groundhog day .

[P123]

What was this topic about again?

[as65p]

9 pole positions to 1. No hyperbole in that statement.

If you want to view it that way, it's even more amazing how Button scored more points at the end of the day.

 

It's both selective and misleading IMO. Overall Hamilton was by no means miles ahead of Button in the stuff that counts. Neither was any of the two consistently excellent during that period. Buttons "balance problems" and Hamiltons frequent encounters with Massa spring to mind.

[PlayboyRacer]

If you want to view it that way, it's even more amazing how Button scored more points at the end of the day.

It's both selective and misleading IMO. Overall Hamilton was by no means miles ahead of Button in the stuff that counts. Neither was any of the two consistently excellent during that period. Buttons "balance problems" and Hamiltons frequent encounters with Massa spring to mind.

The statement you questioned firmly had the words "pure pace" in there. So that's what we're discussing. Not a fantasy points total taken across 3 seasons.

If 9 poles to 1 doesn't satisfy you, try 39-19 qualifying head to head. In favour of Hamilton.

[as65p]

The statement you questioned firmly had the words "pure pace" in there. So that's what we're discussing. Not a fantasy points total taken across 3 seasons.

If 9 poles to 1 doesn't satisfy you, try 39-19 qualifying head to head. In favour of Hamilton.

So "pure pace" is a factual term now, but actual points scored are fantasy?

 

Besides you do realize that there is another thing going on weekends, usually the day after qualifiying?