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[baddog]

Not sure if anyone has asked this, but what on earth was Grosjean actually DOING when he caused his crash? He just seemed to drive straight into the AT, at first I even thought he had damage from debris or something? But then it just looks like deciding to change sides of the track and no spatial awareness at all?

[ARTGP]

Not sure if anyone has asked this, but what on earth was Grosjean actually DOING when he caused his crash? He just seemed to drive straight into the AT, at first I even thought he had damage from debris or something? But then it just looks like deciding to change sides of the track and no spatial awareness at all?

 

This wouldn't be the first time. But is hopefully the last time.

Edited by ARTGP, 30 November 2020 - 00:52.

[ThadGreen]

For some reason I just didn't enjoy this race as much as some of the others we have seen lately. Of course I was pleased to see RG walk away from his first lap crash and hope that he doesn't have any long term ailments from it. Disappointing for Perez to DNF and a bad day for Racing Point but a good day McLaren.

 

Let's look forward to next week and see what happens.. 

[baddog]

For some reason I just didn't enjoy this race as much as some of the others we have seen lately. Of course I was pleased to see RG walk away from his first lap crash and hope that he doesn't have any long term ailments from it. Disappointing for Perez to DNF and a bad day for Racing Point but a good day McLaren.

 

Let's look forward to next week and see what happens.. 

 

Yeah it was, beneath the incidents, a very dull race I think. 

[Ev0d3vil]

Not sure if anyone has asked this, but what on earth was Grosjean actually DOING when he caused his crash? He just seemed to drive straight into the AT, at first I even thought he had damage from debris or something? But then it just looks like deciding to change sides of the track and no spatial awareness at all?

looked like Spa 2012 to me. His first lap incident.

[femi]

Not sure if anyone has asked this, but what on earth was Grosjean actually DOING when he caused his crash? He just seemed to drive straight into the AT, at first I even thought he had damage from debris or something? But then it just looks like deciding to change sides of the track and no spatial awareness at all?

He could have had an issue with the front left tyre. A TV replay after the accident seemed to show an object coming towards the front, left tyre just before Grosjean veered to the right. There had to be something wrong with the car. No way he was going to drive like that deliberately.

Edited by femi, 30 November 2020 - 02:42.

[fisssssi]

Not sure if anyone has asked this, but what on earth was Grosjean actually DOING when he caused his crash? He just seemed to drive straight into the AT, at first I even thought he had damage from debris or something? But then it just looks like deciding to change sides of the track and no spatial awareness at all?

 

Literally the theme of his career.

[f1kent83]

Looked like Grosjean drove to the right deliberately to me. Webber and Coulthard said as much on channel 4.

[BalanceUT]

Not sure if anyone has asked this, but what on earth was Grosjean actually DOING when he caused his crash? He just seemed to drive straight into the AT, at first I even thought he had damage from debris or something? But then it just looks like deciding to change sides of the track and no spatial awareness at all?

Sky showed video of a piece of debris hitting Grosjean's right front tire immediately before Grosjean started to shift to the right side of the track to avoid the bunching up of cars on the left. Future analysis will show if his tire pressure started to drop at that point meaning his car was not reacting the way he expected, therefore the possibility that he went into Kvyat based on the car moving more than his input should have made it. Everything after that was unalterable physics (excepting his application of brakes). 

Edited by BalanceUT, 30 November 2020 - 02:54.

[HeadFirst]

Had to walk off this race and come back  . Nice to see RoGro is ok. I may not be particulary fond of his antics, but did not want to see him hurt.

 

It's odd. but I was glued to the sofa waiting on news. I had the feeling that somehow, despite appearances, RoGro would survive. I did not have the same feeling with Dan Wheldon's crash in IndyCar years ago, so I guess it was my trust in the safety measures F1 has put in place, that gave me that feeling. Needless to say I was greatly relieved to see the images of Romain sitting in the safety car. How he escaped from the Haas, is nothing short of miraculous.

[HeadFirst]

Not sure if anyone has asked this, but what on earth was Grosjean actually DOING when he caused his crash? He just seemed to drive straight into the AT, at first I even thought he had damage from debris or something? But then it just looks like deciding to change sides of the track and no spatial awareness at all?

 

I think he was trying to avoid the mess developing on his left, but failed to see (or misjudged the location of) Kvyat on his right. My question is how did Kvyat get so far back? Didn't he start well up the grid?

[Baddoer]

Not sure if anyone has asked this, but what on earth was Grosjean actually DOING when he caused his crash?

Typical Grosjean stuff. Pick Spa 2012 or Spain 2018 as examples.
 

[Heyli]

watched back some parts of the race yesterday evening and in my mind it took ages between they finally showed pictures of Grosjean in the medical car, but in reality it was actually quite quick...

 

I really thought there was no way anyone would walk from that (at the very least seriously injured), so was very pleasantly surprised to see him sitting there.

[absinthedude]

Typical Grosjean stuff. Pick Spa 2012 or Spain 2018 as examples.
 

 

That's harsh. We know - because we've surely all seen it - that some sizable debris hit his front right shortly before he speared right. While it is certainly true that Grosjean has been responsible for many of his incidents in the past, the jury is very much out on this one. Though he does appear to be steering to the right, we don't yet know if something was damaged by the debris and caused an issue. 

[SenorSjon]

That's harsh. We know - because we've surely all seen it - that some sizable debris hit his front right shortly before he speared right. While it is certainly true that Grosjean has been responsible for many of his incidents in the past, the jury is very much out on this one. Though he does appear to be steering to the right, we don't yet know if something was damaged by the debris and caused an issue. 

 

That piece of debris had zero influence. He was doing a Stroll and keeps thinking he is alone on track vs computer ghost cars. 

[BalanceUT]

That piece of debris had zero influence. He was doing a Stroll and keeps thinking he is alone on track vs computer ghost cars. 

Do you pay rent for occupying space inside Stroll and Grosjean's heads so that you can have such clear knowledge about their thinking?

[FrontWing]

That piece of debris had zero influence. He was doing a Stroll and keeps thinking he is alone on track vs computer ghost cars.

Spa 2012 anyone?

Edit - looking back through the comments, I'm not the first to suggest this.

Edited by FrontWing, 30 November 2020 - 15:13.

[eibyyz]

It's odd. but I was glued to the sofa waiting on news. I had the feeling that somehow, despite appearances, RoGro would survive. I did not have the same feeling with Dan Wheldon's crash in IndyCar years ago, so I guess it was my trust in the safety measures F1 has put in place, that gave me that feeling. Needless to say I was greatly relieved to see the images of Romain sitting in the safety car. How he escaped from the Haas, is nothing short of miraculous.

 

I had tuned into Vegas after the red was flown, and I could tell by the tone, the blue tarp, and no replays--that it wasn't good.  Conversely, when I saw the fence with Wicklens' deal at Pocono I assumed that it was going to end the same way, but the announcers were basically going out of their way to say 'he's conscious!' every fifteen seconds.

 

With Romain's, every viewing looked worse than the one before.  It took me a half hour to twig to the fact that the front of the car had gone through the armco.

[kraduk]

That's harsh. We know - because we've surely all seen it - that some sizable debris hit his front right shortly before he speared right. While it is certainly true that Grosjean has been responsible for many of his incidents in the past, the jury is very much out on this one. Though he does appear to be steering to the right, we don't yet know if something was damaged by the debris and caused an issue. 

 

we saw something light and flimsy go near the wheel. If it had punctured the car would have pulled right, so he would have corrected by going left. He didn't though, he turned right, so I doubt the debris had much effect on the incident. It would also take time to deflate, and it obviously wasn't a catastrophic tyre failure as we would have seen it in  the replays before he hit the barrier.

[KnucklesAgain]

That's harsh. We know - because we've surely all seen it - that some sizable debris hit his front right shortly before he speared right. While it is certainly true that Grosjean has been responsible for many of his incidents in the past, the jury is very much out on this one. Though he does appear to be steering to the right, we don't yet know if something was damaged by the debris and caused an issue. 

In this onboard we saw something approaching the general vicinity of his right wheel, but it disappeared behind the halo and it was not visible whether it hit the right front. Then it was out of view. Not impossible that he ran over it, possibly also with the right rear, but we have not "surely all seen it". We also don't know what it was and if it was something substantial.

Edited by KnucklesAgain, 30 November 2020 - 22:02.

[Paco]

And he may well have thought he was in last place:

 

1.  So could have been damage to a tire or car from the RP carbon.

2.  Could have thought he was last (he wouldn't have seen DK in his weeee right hand mirror with where they were on track)

3.  Could have judging the mess in front of him and did he is best to work into a good clean spot on track

 

Either way, not the 1st and wont be the last that people get it wrong at the start when a driver goes off the track and looks to get back on.. he isn't to blame for what happened after he touch wheels with DK...

If DK say him coming like that, he could have also slowed but was already pretty far out to the right.. 

 

That's racing.  So is the danger it poses.    You cant anticipate EVERYTHING every SECOND and prepare safety measures for all potential accidents..   at least the FIA anticipated some of it and forced that halo through..and the FIA saved Roman life. 

[ARTGP]

Blind spot sensor. This is ridiculous in 2020.  Blind spot sensor is not a driver aid, it's practically a requirement. There is no value or excitement having cars trip over one another in their blind spot. They need blind spot sensors. 

Edited by ARTGP, 30 November 2020 - 22:53.

[MikeTekRacing]

Blind spot sensor. This is ridiculous in 2020.  Blind spot sensor is not a driver aid, it's practically a requirement. There is no value or excitement having cars trip over one another in their blind spot. They need blind spot sensors. 

not sure how useful that would have been. The midpack at the start will have those lights on for half of the first lap

[ARTGP]

not sure how useful that would have been. The midpack at the start will have those lights on for half of the first lap

 

If the light is on, then somebody is in your blind spot. That's the point. It doesn't matter what lap it is. If it's on, you shouldn't be turning down on another driver. Especially on lap 1.

Edited by ARTGP, 01 December 2020 - 01:28.