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[FirstnameLastname]

Too early to say, but it looks and sounds like Romain might have to miss out on the next race or two. On Friday free practice begins for the next Bahrain race, who do we think is likely to stand in? The Ferrari young lads are in the fight for the F2 title I believe, not sure if they are eligible on super license points until the season is finished?...

Hulk in Bahrain?

[DutchQuicksilver]

Isn’t Fittipaldi or Delatraz reserve driver for Haas?

[Marklar]

neither has a super licence iirc

Mick would be logical for Abu Dhabi, for Bahrain 2 I would take the Hulk.

edit: actually Deletraz apparently has one, but I stick to it

Edited by Marklar, 29 November 2020 - 20:59.

[H0R]

Conor Daly

[Myrvold]

neither has a super licence iirc

 

Are you sure?

 

He himself says he has it: “As a driver that already has a Superlicence, the ultimate target for 2020 was F1. But things didn’t go as planned with the results this season"

 

So he is in Bahrain, apparently has a SL, and is a Haas test/reserve. Fittipaldi doesn't have it IIRC.

 

Other than that Ghiotti and Markelov has the required points, together with Schumacher (who already has a SL). Just to add drivers who either is affiliated with Ferrari or no-one, that is in Bahrain already.

[dweller23]

I don't think it can be an F2 driver (unless it's indeed Deletraz as suggested above and he still would likely have a replacement for F2 race), since Schumacher, Mazepin and Illot are all still fighting for the title, so likely they'll focus on it and double duty would be near impossible.

[charly0418]

This is actually a very good chance to try a rookie like Mick, the track is going to be VERY easy to learn.

Problem is Mick is fighting for the F2 title

Edited by charly0418, 29 November 2020 - 21:05.

[Myrvold]

I don't think it can be an F2 driver (unless it's indeed Deletraz as suggested above and he still would likely have a replacement for F2 race), since Schumacher, Mazepin and Illot are all still fighting for the title, so likely they'll focus on it and double duty would be near impossible.

 

Well, many of them are racing for a seat in F1, if they already has enough SL points I see no reason to not do it though. After all, if anyone takes the F2 title and fail to get in to F1 the next season, they cannot do F2 either.

 

I would personally like to see Deletraz.

[red stick]

Any useful updates on Grosjean's condition?  Apart from anything else, the sudden deceleration should have set off the concussion protocol.

[messy]

Nico Hulkenberg has his bags packed and is sitting waiting for the phone to ring already, I’d bet.

Blatantly isn’t going to be Deletraz or Fittipaldi, they’re just not going to be up to it.

[Myrvold]

Any useful updates on Grosjean's condition?  Apart from anything else, the sudden deceleration should have set off the concussion protocol.

 

Probably one of the reasons he is staying overnight (in addition to his mummified hands).

 

Also, the teams still bring a spare tub right? I mean, they basically have to build a completely new car for Bahrain 2.

[PedroDiCasttro]

The brazilian commentators said that Fitipaldi does indeed have the superlicence.

[efuloni]

neither has a super licence iirc

Mick would be logical for Abu Dhabi, for Bahrain 2 I would take the Hulk.

edit: actually Deletraz apparently has one, but I stick to it

Acutally, both of them have the SL.
Fittipaldi, like Deletraz, said more than one time that he's got it.
https://twitter.com/...4462372865?s=19

Edited by efuloni, 29 November 2020 - 21:14.

[FirstnameLastname]

Any useful updates on Grosjean's condition? Apart from anything else, the sudden deceleration should have set off the concussion protocol.

Not an update as such, but I saw photos of him in hospital with his wrists heavily bandaged and up in a support. Ankles heavily wrapped too.

[Myrvold]

Blatantly isn’t going to be Deletraz or Fittipaldi, they’re just not going to be up to it.

 

While Deletraz got enough points due to the "loophole" Formula V3.5, he has done fairly OK in F2.

 

The brazilian commentators said that Fitipaldi does indeed have the superlicence.

Acutally, both of them have SL

 

How? In 2019 Haas struggled to get Fittipaldi enough points for a super licence. Source: 1 2 3 4 5

[jcbc3]

this would be so much easier if FIA kept a list on their own effing web site of SL-holders.

[FirstnameLastname]

https://twitter.com/...0604701699?s=21

Edit: Statement from the team. He’s not broken any bones, being kept in over night for treatment on burns to the back of his hands.

Edited by FirstnameLastname, 29 November 2020 - 21:17.

[wj_gibson]

Hulkenberg is the most obvious choice, given that he has experience of racing in F1 in 2020. I doubt RP would prevent it from happening.

[beachdrifter]

Hulkenberg is the most obvious choice, given that he has experience of racing in F1 in 2020. I doubt RP would prevent it from happening.

 

Not sure he'd have anything to gain from that. I probably wouldn't do it. Would only take away from his RP performances.

[jcbc3]

And he'd probably clash with KMag anyway....

[Myrvold]

this would be so much easier if FIA kept a list on their own effing web site of SL-holders.

 

At least a list of who meets the requirements, as you don't automagically get a SL when you have 40 points.

[Hellenic tifosi]

That's another reason why I don't like the testing limitations. 15 years ago, there would have been at least 15 other drivers with thousands of laps completed in current F1 machinery, ready to go.

[Pingguest]

Assuming Mick Schumacher will be driving for Haas next year, something tells me he will make his debut coming weekend. If I were Hulkenberg, I would not replace Haas. It could only damage his chances to get a seat for next year.

[efuloni]

While Deletraz got enough points due to the "loophole" Formula V3.5, he has done fairly OK in F2.


How? In 2019 Haas struggled to get Fittipaldi enough points for a super licence. Source: 1 2 3 4 5

He got 6 points from Asian F3, which started still in 19 and counted for the 3 year period 17-19.
In 2017, FR 3.5 still awarded 35 points to the champion and the rule of minimal entries was different. In here, from march 2020, Pietro himself stated he already had the SL: https://globoesporte...o-da-haas.ghtml

[TheFish]

Anyone out there with a bit of cash to get the seat? Like Will Stevens for Caterham.

[thegamer23]

Why would Hulkenberg want to drive a car that is fighting for P16-P17?*
Quite different than driving a Racing Point that is capable to finish in Top 5.

Can't see that happen, and he never had connections with Haas.

 

Schumacher is fighting for the F2 title next weekend, so i would rule that out.

They have Pietro Fittipaldi as third driver, i guess he's the one.

Edited by thegamer23, 29 November 2020 - 21:26.

[Myrvold]

He got 6 points from Asian F3, which started still in 19 and counted for the 3 year period 17-19.
In 2017, FR 3.5 still awarded 35 points to the champion and the rule of minimal entries was different. In here, from march 2020, Pietro himself stated he already had the SL: https://globoesporte...o-da-haas.ghtml

 

Ah! Had totally forgotten about that series after the Ticktum-no SL points things the previous season! Thanks!

 

With that being said, I think Deletraz would be the better choice of the two.

Edited by Myrvold, 29 November 2020 - 21:27.

[jcbc3]

At least a list of who meets the requirements, as you don't automagically get a SL when you have 40 points.

 

Yes, I assume you only get a Super License if you specifically apply for one.

 

But since we have 'strict' rules for how points are gained, it should be easy for FIA to keep a worksheet covering drivers in eligible series.

[beachdrifter]

Assuming Mick Schumacher will be driving for Haas next year, something tells me he will make his debut coming weekend.

 

It's the championship finale of F2, and Mick is leading the championship by a very narrow margin. I don't see that happening.

[scheivlak]

It won't happen but it would be nice if this American could lure an American driver for once (Newgarden, Rossi, Herta). Next weekend's Shakir track is a bit oval like as well.....

[jee]

Robert Kubica is also at Bahrain already, so he could be a potential candidate.

[TomNokoe]

I posted in the race thread that maybe Giovinazzi could stand in and Kubica fill his role at Alfa.

[absinthedude]

Romain has posted a video from the hospital....seems in good spirits and certainly no serious injuries but the hand burns will almost certainly keep him out of the cockpit for  few weeks. much like Berger in 89. 

[beachdrifter]

Robert Kubica is also at Bahrain already, so he could be a potential candidate.

 

What's he still doing around F1?

[midgrid]

I think Delétraz would be the best choice: he has a Super Licence, is one of the team's reserves, he's on-site, he's just raced at Bahrain, and he doesn't have anything to lose by skipping the F2 races next weekend (plus it looks like he's about to transfer to sportscars full-time, so this is really his only F1 chance).  Haas don't really have anything to lose either due to their lack of competitiveness.  I don't rate Fittipaldi as highly, plus he's significantly more rusty.
 
If Hülkenberg were to get the drive, it would be an illustration of how ridiculous the situation is for young test and reserve drivers in F1.

 

I'm half-expecting Grosjean to opt against returning for Abu Dhabi out of choice, even if his injuries have healed by then.

[midgrid]

What's he still doing around F1?

 

He's Alfa Romeo's test and reserve driver, and took part in FP1 at this event.

[PayasYouRace]

It would be somewhat appropriate for Mick Schumacher to get his debut in the form of a mid-season substitution.

[ANF]

Delétraz is pretty handy in F2. Good at tyre management, I think? Took the chequered flag in an LMP2 at Le Mans this year. Usually a good overtaker too. Not that he would need that skill in the Haas.

[Myrvold]

It won't happen but it would be nice if this American could lure an American driver for once (Newgarden, Rossi, Herta). Next weekend's Shakir track is a bit oval like as well.....

 

 

 

Newgarden and Rossi only with regards to SL.

[Dalin80]

Given HAAS finances I wonder if they will go with a force majeure and only run 1 car for the next race. Take the pressure off some.

[noikeee]

I bet it's Deletraz or Fittipaldi. Leaning towards Deletraz.

[Anja]

Given HAAS finances I wonder if they will go with a force majeure and only run 1 car for the next race. Take the pressure off some.

 

On the other hand the finances are an argument for giving the seat to someone who will pay for it. 

[thegamer23]

On the other hand the finances are an argument for giving the seat to someone who will pay for it.

Mazepin

[string158]

Hulk would be the initial choice, but I wonder if Kubica will be more likely given he has recent experience driving a Ferrari powered car.

[Misk]

Mazepin

 

The first person that came to mind for me too. Isn't a deal with Haas for next year all but done by most accounts? Plus unlike Schumacher he doesn't really have much to fight for in F2 now.

[NixxxoN]

Hulk is the obvious choice... Also Haas may offer him a seat next year

[Calum]

Was initially thinking Gutierrez would meet the superlicense and has worked with the team before.

 

Suppose Kubica makes sense though.

[noikeee]

Doesn't Mazepin still need the F2 results in the next weekend for the superlicense?

[Myrvold]

Doesn't Mazepin still need the F2 results in the next weekend for the superlicense?

 

Yup

[Misk]

Doesn't Mazepin still need the F2 results in the next weekend for the superlicense?

 

Ah fair enough, hadn't realised that.