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#1 dgs

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Posted 02 December 2020 - 08:17

Has any one seen a copy of the official lap chart for 1962 Netherlands Grand Prix.

I am interested to see which drivers were in lead and on what laps.

 

I believe a lap chart was issued in Autocourse Annual.   



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#2 Ardmore

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Posted 02 December 2020 - 10:02

There is a lap chart for the Dutch GP in the Autocourse Annual.



#3 john winfield

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Posted 02 December 2020 - 10:46

I can't vouch for its accuracy but the Wikipedia entry has the leaders as:

 

1-11      Jim Clark

12-54   Graham Hill

55         Phil Hill

56-80   Graham Hill

 

The quoted references are modern websites but they, hopefully, might have used authoritative sources.



#4 Doug Nye

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Posted 02 December 2020 - 10:58

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Edited by Doug Nye, 02 December 2020 - 11:00.


#5 john winfield

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Posted 02 December 2020 - 11:11

That's useful Doug. No sign of Phil Hill's lap at the front, something confirmed by DSJ's report in Motor Sport. P Hill never challenged G Hill, so I wonder where the Wiki writer got that from. Probably an earlier typo or page fold, making #17 look like #1.

 

If anyone is interested, perhaps as a Christmas request, TE Warth have a copy of the 1962/63 Autocourse for sale.  £566.   :eek:


Edited by john winfield, 02 December 2020 - 11:12.


#6 dgs

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Posted 02 December 2020 - 11:25

Thank you both John Winfield and Doug Nye.

It is that lap 55 that puzzled me with Phil Hill leading. I discussed this with Jacques Deschenaux who edits 'Grand Prix Guide' (was Marlboro Guide).
He shows G.Hill 68 laps, J.Clark 11 laps, G.Hill 1 lap (typo for P.Hill).

#7 Tim Murray

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Posted 02 December 2020 - 11:40

The Phil Hill leading-a-lap business was discussed in this earlier thread:

Zandvoort 1962

The consensus was that the error came from the Sheldon Black Book, which had then been copied widely. Milan Fistonic analysed the individual lap times as given in Autocourse and conclusively demonstrated that Phil Hill couldn’t possibly have led a lap:

If the Autocourse times can be believed and I've read them correctly (they are very small on the lap chart) this is how the gap between the two Hills evolved.

When P. Hill moved into second place on lap 22 he was 24.5 seconds behind the BRM.

By lap 33 the gap was 35.2s but came down to 34.1 on laps 34 and 35.

On laps 36 to 39 the gap stayed in the 35 second range before coming down to 34s and 33s on laps 40 to 49.

On lap 50 the gap was down to 31.2 after G. Hill had a slow lap and P. Hill was 2.9 seconds quicker on that lap.

Over the next five laps the gap was 30.6, 32.0, 31.2, 31.1 and 31.1.

From that evidence there is no way that the Ferrari was in the lead on lap 55.



There must be some doubt about Bruce McLaren's being awarded the fastest lap of that race. It is claimed that he did a 1m 34.4s time on lap five.

His next quickest lap was 1m 37.9s set on lap 8.

To have set a time 3.6 seconds faster than than he managed on any of his other 20 laps, and to have done so at the stage of the race when the cars were carrying a full fuel load, seems highly unlikely. All the other front running cars were lapping in the 1m 37s - 1m 40s range at that time.

The fastest laps set by Graham Hill came towards the end of the race when the fuel load was lighter and he could only manage a 1m 35.7s on lap 71. Phil Hill's best lap was 1m 36.0s on lap 64.