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#1 JordanIreland

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Posted 09 January 2021 - 20:18

With the 2021 season hopefully underway soon, it would be good to discuss how the team is setup and ready to go.

 

The Williams website has not been updated and doesn't seem to highlight the team members:

https://www.williams...bout/our-people

 

With Jost Capito as the new CEO, the team will have an experienced set of hands in the area of motorsports arena and I hope his experience and contacts will bring a lot to the team:

https://www.bbc.com/...rmula1/55349977

 

Simon Roberts is the new Team Principle. Seems like a good CV, it will be interesting to see how he manages the team going forward:

https://www.rte.ie/s...at-williams-f1/

 

On the technical side, how are the key team members?

 

It looks like 2021 will be yet another team building exercise setting up for a stronger 2022 and 2023, one would hope.

 

Fingers crossed some points for 2021.

 

 



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#2 Beri

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Posted 09 January 2021 - 20:26

Thanks for opening this thread. And I cross my fingers with you.
Williams has made some progress on adding some people on crucial positions. The addition of Jost and the permanent position of Simon is a positive sign.

This is the first season in a while where I'm somewhat positive about what's to come. Points or not, progress can hopefully be seen in many aspects at the team.

#3 JordanIreland

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Posted 09 January 2021 - 20:43

Thanks for opening this thread. And I cross my fingers with you.
Williams has made some progress on adding some people on crucial positions. The addition of Jost and the permanent position of Simon is a positive sign.

This is the first season in a while where I'm somewhat positive about what's to come. Points or not, progress can hopefully be seen in many aspects at the team.


We have seen how long and difficult it has been for Renault and McLaren to push their teams forward i.e. major investment and bringing in the key people. I hope they have the right people and resources in place to do the same.

Fingers crossed 🤞🏻

#4 JordanIreland

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Posted 11 January 2021 - 23:32

Nice summary video of the Williams/Merc link

https://youtu.be/4PL1k7TpTp4

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Posted 12 January 2021 - 05:44

Hoping for the best this year just any type of points then I'll be happy.



#6 JordanIreland

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Posted 12 January 2021 - 21:49

Hoping for the best this year just any type of points then I'll be happy.


Indeed, one lucky point in the last two seasons is Minardi level. 2020 did show some promise, it would be great if that level of progress can be maintained.

#7 Beri

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Posted 12 January 2021 - 22:35

Nice summary video of the Williams/Merc link
https://youtu.be/4PL1k7TpTp4


Well, I love the guys and gals at The Race. They do have some very good pundits and do make good footage. Yet this is all champagne and caviar based upon assumptions. The assumptions that investments have been made in the correct areas, assumptions that both Roberts and Capito do hit the nails on their heads in their respective positions. There is a lot of uncertainty in the entire film you've posted.

But if, and I would love for once that the upcoming ifs will all come to fruition, if everything falls into place within 5 years from now. If money remains available. If the entire team steps up a bit. If podium finishes are not related to engine performance alone, like in the Martini days. And if that one day will come, the day that I dream of for about 25 years now, that Williams will fight again for the championship, if all those ifs are becoming true.. then let 2020 be the year where Williams bit the bullet and got back on their way to make all those ifs happen. Because there are fans, like me, who will always remain a fan of the team called Williams. No matter if it's Williams, Head, Wolff or Roberts at the helm, Williams today is as much Williams as it was when they still were in Didcot. I just hope Williams finds itself on the podium again soon enough for Sir Frank to be able to witness this.

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Posted 12 January 2021 - 23:20

There's a lot of positivity for 2021, but I don't see it.

There's far too much low-hanging fruit for Alfa and Haas that I fear Williams will be left behind again, even if they do a solid job at adapting to the floor changes.

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Posted 13 January 2021 - 18:32

There's a lot of positivity for 2021, but I don't see it.

There's far too much low-hanging fruit for Alfa and Haas that I fear Williams will be left behind again, even if they do a solid job at adapting to the floor changes.

Exactly. Williams only leap them cause of the Ferrari PU which will be much stronger. I think we’re back to 2019 level performance. I doubt 2021 Williams has addressed Claire’s frustration of not being to do what was needed financially... now trying to integrate Mercedes parts will take some time.

Edited by Paco, 13 January 2021 - 18:33.


#10 Beri

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Posted 16 January 2021 - 17:41

Exactly. Williams only leap them cause of the Ferrari PU which will be much stronger. I think we’re back to 2019 level performance. I doubt 2021 Williams has addressed Claire’s frustration of not being to do what was needed financially... now trying to integrate Mercedes parts will take some time.


The Merc gearbox and such are being acquired from 2022 onwards. Not in 2021.

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Posted 16 January 2021 - 23:41

The Merc gearbox and such are being acquired from 2022 onwards. Not in 2021.

 

?  Why?

 

Oi, there goes 2022 as any hope for life.  

 

Is that implying the new group doesn't want to learn and invest in 2021 as a test bed for 2022...     again more ridiculous Williams decision.  Why expecft anything esle.



#12 JordanIreland

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Posted 17 January 2021 - 02:40

? Why?

Oi, there goes 2022 as any hope for life.

Is that implying the new group doesn't want to learn and invest in 2021 as a test bed for 2022... again more ridiculous Williams decision. Why expecft anything esle.


I suspect, adding such components for 2021 may not yield much benefit as the 2021 car will be totally different to 2022. The merc components are more then likely going to be very reliable and I assume some of the best in F1, so Williams can take that as a given in 2022. Plus Williams will be using merc engine, gearbox and hydraulics, so they will come as a fully tested and reliable package.

Overall, I say it’s down to budget i.e. save their budget to build a better 2022 car. Plus they need to move staff around within Williams within that Department and that takes time.

#13 Beri

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Posted 17 January 2021 - 08:16

?  Why?
 
Oi, there goes 2022 as any hope for life.  
 
Is that implying the new group doesn't want to learn and invest in 2021 as a test bed for 2022...     again more ridiculous Williams decision.  Why expecft anything esle.


Williams has chosen to stick with their current setup simply because of something that are called tokens and an impending new set of regulations. Heard of them?
Williams will use Mercedes in 2022 as well, so why spend money twice? One time now for having the gearbox fit in the current chassis and needing the suspension to be altered. And then again for a completely new car in 2022 because of new regulations.
Williams has chosen to focus on 2022. Which in turn means another season dangling at the back. But it's a very logical, wise and healthy choice made.

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Posted 17 January 2021 - 20:34

I suspect, adding such components for 2021 may not yield much benefit as the 2021 car will be totally different to 2022. The merc components are more then likely going to be very reliable and I assume some of the best in F1, so Williams can take that as a given in 2022. Plus Williams will be using merc engine, gearbox and hydraulics, so they will come as a fully tested and reliable package.

Overall, I say it’s down to budget i.e. save their budget to build a better 2022 car. Plus they need to move staff around within Williams within that Department and that takes time.


So like Williams, Renault ooops Alpine, McLaren, supposed by this thread Aston Martin... so everyone except the 2 best teams that get it doesn’t work that way...

So only the mid gridders can not race stuff and expects to find time by leaps and bounds by stopping and not running stuff now to understand them. Yeah.. that’s makes all the sense in the world and an effective strategy for future success.

The 2022 car is mechanically identical from I gather. The changes are only aero.

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Posted 17 January 2021 - 21:11

With your reply here and in the Alpine thread, you show me that you are somewhat fixed on your own truth. Which is fine. But do realize that your truth isn't the truth that others, as well as those midfield teams you've mentioned, do agree upon. Actually, you're quite lonely in that stance. So don't kill every discussion by staying stubborn, try and see it in a different light. Because, as said, not everyone that do not have the same opinion as you is wrong.

Edited by Beri, 17 January 2021 - 21:12.


#16 JordanIreland

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Posted 17 January 2021 - 21:47

So like Williams, Renault ooops Alpine, McLaren, supposed by this thread Aston Martin... so everyone except the 2 best teams that get it doesn’t work that way...

So only the mid gridders can not race stuff and expects to find time by leaps and bounds by stopping and not running stuff now to understand them. Yeah.. that’s makes all the sense in the world and an effective strategy for future success.

The 2022 car is mechanically identical from I gather. The changes are only aero.

A number of F1 teams including Williams could have shut it doors this year if it didn’t sell up (plus covid hasn’t helped). So it’s safe to say that they are not flush with money. Even McLaren has/had its own recent financial troubles.

With that in mind, they have to pick their fights and try and maximise them. It really is frustrating as a fan, but one needs to be pragmatic.

Edited by JordanIreland, 18 January 2021 - 03:55.


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Posted 18 January 2021 - 03:52

Best of luck to them this year. 

 

Would love to see them genuinely fighting somewhere mid pack at least. 



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Posted 22 January 2021 - 14:38

Button is "back", not sure what he can bring to the team but they are at least making changes



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Posted 22 January 2021 - 14:47

Button is "back", not sure what he can bring to the team but they are at least making changes

 

I think he brings some good attention, fanfare, and potentially working with Russell to develop. Plus he has some experience racing Hamilton   ;)


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Posted 22 January 2021 - 14:51

I imagine Button's job will be to swan around the paddock being charming to the media and potential sponsors. He's good at that.



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Posted 22 January 2021 - 17:24

I think he brings some good attention, fanfare, and potentially working with Russell to develop. Plus he has some experience racing Hamilton   ;)

Or convince him how to get into a Merc faster than his current mgmt team is doing?

Just throwing it out there.

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Posted 22 January 2021 - 18:10

I think he brings some good attention, fanfare, and potentially working with Russell to develop. Plus he has some experience racing Hamilton  ;)

While I’m not a button fan, this is a good move for Williams on the networking, PR and driver development front.

It is great to see that Williams are making these people and resource investments and they are definitely taking a longterm view. All looking positive so far.

Nice summary: https://youtu.be/LofmFmUJo9Y

Edited by JordanIreland, 22 January 2021 - 18:11.


#23 Paco

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Posted 22 January 2021 - 18:25

Wow that’s got to piss off Sir Frank after Button snub and required court ruling.

#24 Paco

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Posted 22 January 2021 - 18:27

I don’t get all these advisors -and every trying to replicate Toto Lauda. Prost didn’t do much with Cyril.

What now, Sir Jackie going to advise to Stroll?

The pope going to advise to Ferrari...


Oiiiiii

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Posted 22 January 2021 - 18:37

The pope going to advise to Ferrari...
 

Don’t be silly. As the largest religion in Italy, Ferrari advises the Pope.



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Posted 22 January 2021 - 18:54

I imagine Button's job will be to swan around the paddock being charming to the media and potential sponsors. He's good at that.


Mostly this I would have thought.

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Posted 22 January 2021 - 19:22

He is going to buy himself out of the contract before season begins.

#28 Paco

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Posted 22 January 2021 - 19:55

Don’t be silly. As the largest religion in Italy, Ferrari advises the Pope.


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Posted 22 January 2021 - 19:55

Williams has always been one of my two favorite teams. At this point I am not sure if this is still the Williams team I loved. I suspect not. Let's wait and see.



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Posted 22 January 2021 - 19:56

He is going to buy himself out of the contract before season begins.


😂😂😂

#31 JordanIreland

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Posted 22 January 2021 - 22:38

Williams has always been one of my two favorite teams. At this point I am not sure if this is still the Williams team I loved. I suspect not. Let's wait and see.


Obviously Buttons first season was with Williams and he is a former world champion with a good profile with sponsors. If he helps to raise the profile of the team and help to attract sponsors, that has to be a good thing?

Let’s not forget that Williams almost closed their doors for good. So any practical approach to help the team recover have to be explored?

Button is not my personal cup of tea, but if he helps the team, I’m happy with that.

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Posted 23 January 2021 - 12:34

Button is not my personal cup of tea, but if he helps the team, I’m happy with that.

Quite so.  Button is media-friendly, he will be a popular figure for the TV people to interview, so plenty of positive coverage for Williams.  It is a very sensible decision by them, although I am less sure what is in it for Button.  I thought he was keen on a GT3 racing career?



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Posted 23 January 2021 - 13:44

Quite so.  Button is media-friendly, he will be a popular figure for the TV people to interview, so plenty of positive coverage for Williams.  It is a very sensible decision by them, although I am less sure what is in it for Button.  I thought he was keen on a GT3 racing career?

 

I'm sure Jenson is fully capable of being a Williams advisor and being a GT3 racer at the weekends as a hobby. It's not like GT3 is going to be his full time racing career right now.



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Posted 23 January 2021 - 16:37

They need a face to the brand is all. I doubt he’ll bring anything more than that.

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Posted 23 January 2021 - 20:18

I'm sure Jenson is fully capable of being a Williams advisor and being a GT3 racer at the weekends as a hobby. It's not like GT3 is going to be his full time racing career right now.

They are going to want him at the races, aren't they?  Or is he just going to lurk at the factory mid-week, advising?  He can't race GT3 if he is away at 20 or so GP weekends unless the calendars are very neatly overlaid.



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Posted 23 January 2021 - 20:22

Well, he does Sky F1 punditry for 5-6 races a year so I'd imagine he just does some work with Williams when he's not doing the Sky stuff. I don't see him going to more than half the races



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Posted 05 February 2021 - 15:47

Any other team this year releasing a B-spec? Doesn't sound to reassuring...



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Posted 05 February 2021 - 16:02

Any other team this year releasing a B-spec? Doesn't sound to reassuring...


McLaren have got the MCL35M. I'm sure at least one other team have a B spec car, but I'm supposed to be working so can't check, think it's RedBull.

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Posted 05 February 2021 - 16:04

All the cars will be largely unchanged anyway, it's mostly a matter of naming. McLaren and Red Bull also treat it as B-spec. Haas openly admitted they won't have any new parts beyond what's needed for 2021 rules. 



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#40 JordanIreland

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Posted 05 February 2021 - 20:15

All the cars will be largely unchanged anyway, it's mostly a matter of naming. McLaren and Red Bull also treat it as B-spec. Haas openly admitted they won't have any new parts beyond what's needed for 2021 rules.


Agreed. The whole purpose of postponing the introduction of the bigger changes is to save the teams the cost of developing new cars in 2021. This gives all the teams more time to prepare for 2022.

B-spec cars make perfect sense, plus Williams had some success with B-spec cars in the past 😂😂 FW14B.

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Posted 05 February 2021 - 20:58

Williams have been fielding b spec cars for a good few years now...

#42 PayasYouRace

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Posted 05 February 2021 - 21:30

Any other team this year releasing a B-spec? Doesn't sound to reassuring...

 

I'm not sure why you'd find that not to be reassuring. Wouldn't that be better than the alternative, which is no upgrade at all?



#43 JordanIreland

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Posted 05 February 2021 - 22:12

Williams have been fielding b spec cars for a good few years now...


I had a good giggle with that 😂😂😂

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Posted 07 February 2021 - 07:57

uhhhmmm... this is fake right?

https://mobile.twitt.../RichWilliamsF1


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Posted 07 February 2021 - 08:20

uhhhmmm... this is fake right?

https://mobile.twitt.../RichWilliamsF1

 

I hope so. Dorilton Capital should steer well clear of that company.



#46 BRG

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Posted 07 February 2021 - 11:40

I am sure that Dorilton , as a professional investment fund, would understand about due diligence, and would only accept a deal with Rich Energy if that now non-existent company paid up in full in advance.



#47 FirstnameLastname

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Posted 07 February 2021 - 12:00

The badly cropped profile pic on that rich energy account... tells me it’s 100% genuine :lol:

#48 Chunkinator

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Posted 17 February 2021 - 17:06

So in the recent teaser posted on the Williams twitter account, the car doesn't look like it's white. Though I think there's a good chance it'll just be a shakedown/testing livery, as in 2014.

https://twitter.com/...069687597678598

 

Would be nice to see a change though



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Posted 18 February 2021 - 11:18

According to a story on the main Autosport page, BWT could join Williams as title sponsor for 2021. Haas are also mentioned as well, as a long time Williams fan I hope BWT choose Williams as they deserve the money more than Haas in my humble opinion.



#50 SparkPlug86

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Posted 18 February 2021 - 11:54

Williams dark blue colour should make a return, it looks amazing! It would work with the Pink from BWT too :) Hoping my second favorite team on the grid score a point this year  :clap: