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#1 jimjimjeroo

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Posted 14 January 2021 - 15:58

Get well soon!

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#2 cpbell

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Posted 14 January 2021 - 16:00

Best wishes to him.



#3 masa90

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Posted 14 January 2021 - 16:18

So it seems like that sooner or later everyone will get it unless the vaccinations will be a miracleworker.

Bit weird how there seems to be these hotspots forming aswell.

Either way, all the best to Charles, hope he recovers fully.

#4 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 14 January 2021 - 16:29

So it seems like that sooner or later everyone will get it unless the vaccinations will be a miracleworker.

 

 

Nah some of us take this seriously so don't socialise, are always wearing a mask, etc. 



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Posted 14 January 2021 - 16:43

To be fair, he lasted a whole year without catching it. We can only keep our guard up for so long before we make a mistak. It’s really the folks throwing caution to the wind when things were peaking back in the Spring to be upset with. While it’s not pleasing to see, Charles is far from the worst behaved out there.

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Posted 14 January 2021 - 16:48

To be fair, he lasted a whole year without catching it. We can only keep our guard up for so long before we make a mistak. It’s really the folks throwing caution to the wind when things were peaking back in the Spring to be upset with. While it’s not pleasing to see, Charles is far from the worst behaved out there.

 


I can only think of Perez who may have acted worse, who else acted worse than LeClerc?

#7 Kalmake

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Posted 14 January 2021 - 16:52

To be fair, he lasted a whole year without catching it. We can only keep our guard up for so long before we make a mistak. It’s really the folks throwing caution to the wind when things were peaking back in the Spring to be upset with. While it’s not pleasing to see, Charles is far from the worst behaved out there.

He is definitely one of the worst behaved in the F1 bubble. He even earned an official warning.

 

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#8 Rinehart

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Posted 14 January 2021 - 17:01

Nah some of us take this seriously so don't socialise, are always wearing a mask, etc. 

 

So everyone who does catch it isn't taking it seriously?

 

Frankly, given what we know statistically about the effects on young athletes, I would say its strategically quite smart for an active F1 driver to catch it in the off season. 


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#9 Marklar

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Posted 14 January 2021 - 17:03

To be fair, he lasted a whole year without catching it. We can only keep our guard up for so long before we make a mistak. It’s really the folks throwing caution to the wind when things were peaking back in the Spring to be upset with. While it’s not pleasing to see, Charles is far from the worst behaved out there.

Leclerc has been partying all year, it's a miracle that he didnt catch it earlier



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Posted 14 January 2021 - 17:20

So everyone who does catch it isn't taking it seriously?

 

Frankly, given what we know statistically about the effects on young athletes, I would say its strategically quite smart for an active F1 driver to catch it in the off season. 

 

Hello Dr. Marko.

 

Given what we know statistically about the effects of covid-19, everyone should be doing everything they can to avoid it. While young athletes are less likely to be seriously ill, there are plenty of cases of fit, healthy people under 30 ending up with long covid, ending up in hospital and even dying. It is in no way "smart" to catch this at any time.

 

The comment about taking it seriously was made in reply to a post claiming everyone would get it sooner or later....which is not the case if sufficient people take it seriously. 



#11 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 14 January 2021 - 17:25

And particularly how unserious Charles had been taking it.

#12 boomn

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Posted 14 January 2021 - 17:26

Nah some of us take this seriously so don't socialise, are always wearing a mask, etc. 

FWIW masks are primarily to prevent sick people from spreading it.  They can potentially help keep healthy people protected, but they are more effective at catching virus-laden moisture droplets leaving someone's mouth or nose than they are at catching droplets floating around when someone breathes in.  The difference does vary with the type of mask though

 

My point is this: even people who take it seriously are at the mercy of anyone they come near, and catching Covid doesn't prove that someone wasn't serious.  That said, we have enough other proof that Charles was not taking this very serious at all


Edited by boomn, 14 January 2021 - 17:28.


#13 Clatter

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Posted 14 January 2021 - 17:35

FWIW masks are primarily to prevent sick people from spreading it.  They can potentially help keep healthy people protected, but they are more effective at catching virus-laden moisture droplets leaving someone's mouth or nose than they are at catching droplets floating around when someone breathes in.  The difference does vary with the type of mask though

 

My point is this: even people who take it seriously are at the mercy of anyone they come near, and catching Covid doesn't prove that someone wasn't serious.  That said, we have enough other proof that Charles was not taking this very serious at all

 


But some of those people may not realise they have it, which is why it's a much better idea for everyone to wear a mask. Someone who knows they are sick shouldn't even be out on the streets anyway.

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Posted 14 January 2021 - 17:38

For an athlete in his early twenties, catching covid in the off-season seems like a good deal. He will be probably fully recovered in a couple weeks, with virtually no distraction of this pre-season preparation, and with a reduced chance of a in infection during the season.

 

Mononucleosis would be a far bigger issue in terms of messing with his season.



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Posted 14 January 2021 - 17:45

Nah some of us take this seriously so don't socialise, are always wearing a mask, etc. 

And you believe that you cant get it if you always wear a mask? It finds its way. Sure you can reduce the possibilities of catching it but big part of it is also down to luck.



#16 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 14 January 2021 - 17:48

I try to control my luck but not zipping between countries so I can go to parties. 



#17 cpbell

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Posted 14 January 2021 - 17:53

For an athlete in his early twenties, catching covid in the off-season seems like a good deal. He will be probably fully recovered in a couple weeks, with virtually no distraction of this pre-season preparation, and with a reduced chance of a in infection during the season.

 

Mononucleosis would be a far bigger issue in terms of messing with his season.

Might I refer you to the comment below?

 

Hello Dr. Marko.

 

Given what we know statistically about the effects of covid-19, everyone should be doing everything they can to avoid it. While young athletes are less likely to be seriously ill, there are plenty of cases of fit, healthy people under 30 ending up with long covid, ending up in hospital and even dying. It is in no way "smart" to catch this at any time.

 

The comment about taking it seriously was made in reply to a post claiming everyone would get it sooner or later....which is not the case if sufficient people take it seriously. 

 

 



#18 boomn

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Posted 14 January 2021 - 17:55

But some of those people may not realise they have it, which is why it's a much better idea for everyone to wear a mask. Someone who knows they are sick shouldn't even be out on the streets anyway.

Yes, I agree.  It would be best if everyone wore a mask.  But since many don't and masks generally aren't as effective for protecting healthy people, and no mask is 100% effective anyway, those of us who take it seriously shouldn't assume that we are guaranteed safe and certainly shouldn't assume that anyone who catches Covid was not serious.  Except for Charles  :lol:



#19 Hellenic tifosi

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Posted 14 January 2021 - 18:14

Might I refer you to the comment below?


Perhaps I didn't express myself clearly. I didn't mean that contracting covid is a good deal in itself, but that catching it in the off season is not a big issue.

Of course, it can be dangerous even for a fit athlete, but chances are really, really slim. On the other hand, mononucleosis is not dangerous at all, but can really mess up with an athlete's life.

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#20 Clatter

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Posted 14 January 2021 - 18:26

Yes, I agree.  It would be best if everyone wore a mask.  But since many don't and masks generally aren't as effective for protecting healthy people, and no mask is 100% effective anyway, those of us who take it seriously shouldn't assume that we are guaranteed safe and certainly shouldn't assume that anyone who catches Covid was not serious.  Except for Charles  :lol:

 


I'm not assuming anything. I know masks do not give 100% protection, but they increase the odds in the wearers favour. As for Leclerc, I don't know the circumstances here, but he has been seen to take a less than serious approach already.

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Posted 14 January 2021 - 18:37

I'm not assuming anything. I know masks do not give 100% protection, but they increase the odds in the wearers favour. As for Leclerc, I don't know the circumstances here, but he has been seen to take a less than serious approach already.

I don't disagree with anything you said and I wasn't accusing you of assuming things.  My responses were all in the context of the first post I replied to, which stated "some of us take this seriously" and seemed to say that being "serious" and wearing a mask means they will never get it



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Posted 14 January 2021 - 19:28

Nah some of us take this seriously so don't socialise, are always wearing a mask, etc. 

 

To Ross and everyone, who likes his post: You are all full of S*IT. I got diagnosed with Coronavirus on Tuesday. I've worked from home office since March, I don't meet my friends, I don't go out, I don't socialize, food is delivered to our house, the only place I go is to take my kid to school with my car, etc... I STILL GOT CORONA!!!! FFFFFFF!!!! So don't be here all smug like you know you are not going to get it if you take care and everyone who gets it must be knowingly playing with fire. I was worried about corona in mid-January 2020, when you all guys still hadn't even heared about it. I must be one of THE most cautious persons in the whole ****ing Estonia by doing everything I can, and I STILL GOT IT.


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#23 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 14 January 2021 - 19:44

Do you think we should remove all restrictions then? There's no point right?

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Posted 14 January 2021 - 19:49

To Ross and everyone, who likes his post: You are all full of S*IT. I got diagnosed with Coronavirus on Tuesday. I've worked from home office since March, I don't meet my friends, I don't go out, I don't socialize, food is delivered to our house, the only place I go is to take my kid to school with my car, etc... I STILL GOT CORONA!!!! FFFFFFF!!!! So don't be here all smug like you know you are not going to get it if you take care and everyone who gets it must be knowingly playing with fire. I was worried about corona in mid-January 2020, when you all guys still hadn't even heared about it. I must be one of THE most cautious persons in the whole ****ing Estonia by doing everything I can, and I STILL GOT IT.

I am sorry to hear that and I wish you a full and speedy recovery. However, there's no need to insult others though.

 

And I didn't understand Ross comment that he claimed there's a guarantee to avoid contracting Covid-19 by avoiding parties and the like. It is a matter of probability; and it could be sufficient to have contact with kids who have contact with other kids if you are unlucky. Others are more lucky and don't get it although they are not as careful.

 

That said, I hope you will get well soon and won't have any long lasting effects.



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Posted 14 January 2021 - 20:30

Perhaps I didn't express myself clearly. I didn't mean that contracting covid is a good deal in itself, but that catching it in the off season is not a big issue.

Of course, it can be dangerous even for a fit athlete, but chances are really, really slim. On the other hand, mononucleosis is not dangerous at all, but can really mess up with an athlete's life.

 

Tell that to my friend's 18 year old athlete son on life support for the last week. 

 

With this illness you really just don't know. Catching covid *is* a big deal, for any one at any time. There is no "good" time to catch it. You don't want it at any time. 

 

I don't think that anyone is saying that avoiding parties, indeed avoiding people and wearing masks is a guarantee against covid.....but it drastically reduces the chances. I hope that nobody *dares* try to use the argument "Taking precautions isn't a guarantee of safety so there's no point". 


Edited by absinthedude, 14 January 2021 - 20:32.


#26 Dolph

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Posted 14 January 2021 - 20:46

Do you think we should remove all restrictions then? There's no point right?

 

WRONG. I'm saying there is little point in posturing on your high horse.



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Posted 14 January 2021 - 21:37

Why do some people think that catching Covid has to equate to being punished for the sin of being insufficiently careful?  



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Posted 14 January 2021 - 21:44

For an athlete in his early twenties, catching covid in the off-season seems like a good deal. He will be probably fully recovered in a couple weeks, with virtually no distraction of this pre-season preparation, and with a reduced chance of a in infection during the season.

 

Mononucleosis would be a far bigger issue in terms of messing with his season.

 

Good deal for him .... maybe, for those around him .... notsomuch.



#29 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 14 January 2021 - 21:57

WRONG. I'm saying there is little point in posturing on your high horse.

 

I'm ******* on LeClerc for being a Eurotrash twerp who could have put the entire season in jeopardy back in the summer. 



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Posted 14 January 2021 - 23:26

I'm ******* on LeClerc for being a Eurotrash twerp who could have put the entire season in jeopardy back in the summer. 

Bloody hell Ross.

 

Good thing you don't socialise with people.



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Posted 14 January 2021 - 23:49

To Ross and everyone, who likes his post: You are all full of S*IT. I got diagnosed with Coronavirus on Tuesday. I've worked from home office since March, I don't meet my friends, I don't go out, I don't socialize, food is delivered to our house, the only place I go is to take my kid to school with my car, etc... I STILL GOT CORONA!!!! FFFFFFF!!!! So don't be here all smug like you know you are not going to get it if you take care and everyone who gets it must be knowingly playing with fire. I was worried about corona in mid-January 2020, when you all guys still hadn't even heared about it. I must be one of THE most cautious persons in the whole ****ing Estonia by doing everything I can, and I STILL GOT IT.

 

Sorry to hear this. I wish you and your family a quick recovery. I hope it shows that everyone needs to be more careful about COVID. Someone in your vicinity obviously wasn't and spread it to you and your family.

 

If everyone did their outmost, COVID would be most likely history already. Personal freedom is fine and I fully support it, but so far more than a year of economic hardship for a multitude of people doesn't seem worth the price for personal freedom. 

 

I hope Leclerc learned his lesson.


Edited by HP, 14 January 2021 - 23:50.


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Posted 15 January 2021 - 01:01

If everyone did their outmost, COVID would be most likely history already. Personal freedom is fine and I fully support it, but so far more than a year of economic hardship for a multitude of people doesn't seem worth the price for personal freedom. 

Not likely it would be gone by now.  This outbreak is in the top nine of pandemics in history.  Looking at the others they were a year and a half to two years in duration.



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Posted 15 January 2021 - 07:27

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#34 Hellenic tifosi

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Posted 15 January 2021 - 07:47

Good deal for him .... maybe, for those around him .... notsomuch.

 

That's true.



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Posted 15 January 2021 - 08:05

For an athlete in his early twenties, catching covid in the off-season seems like a good deal. 

 

It's probably the worst possible time to get it for a race driver, the off-season is the time he should be spending all day every day conducting physical training.



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Posted 15 January 2021 - 08:07

Why does this warrant its own thread? So people can crap on a driver and play almighty? 

 

We get it, some people respect protocol, others don't, the former can feel good about themselves and trash the latter. We have a Covid specific thread, but I guess that's not enough for some. 



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Posted 15 January 2021 - 08:11

Nah some of us take this seriously so don't socialise, are always wearing a mask, etc. 

Bit of an ignorant comment.  You can do things to minimise the risk, but it's pretty much impossible to completely exclude it



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Posted 15 January 2021 - 08:25

I dont think that Ross said that all those who catch it werent careful, but thanks to those who are careful not everyone will catch it (always consider to what OP one replies to)

just seemed odd to take Leclerc as some indication that everyone will catch it at some point. If it was Vettel I would get it, but Leclerc who was carefree all year? Nah.

To some extent he got unlucky though: he is not the only F1 driver who has been out on vacation on the peak of a pandemic. I've seen at least pictures of Ricciardo, Verstappen and Hamilton (okay, he is probably immune, but still) too.

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Posted 15 January 2021 - 08:25

Leclerc has been partying all year, it's a miracle that he didnt catch it earlier

 

"Partying all year"...

Except for a breach in July, there is no evidence to your claims whatsoever. 

 

Drivers not taking it seriously should be punished, no doubt, and Leclerc should not have gotten away with it. But Jesus Christ, this forum sometimes with its hilarious exaggerations. 



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Posted 15 January 2021 - 08:37

"Partying all year"...
Except for a breach in July, there is no evidence to your claims whatsoever.

Drivers not taking it seriously should be punished, no doubt, and Leclerc should not have gotten away with it. But Jesus Christ, this forum sometimes with its hilarious exaggerations.

Just check some of his stan twitter accounts. He is regulary pictured on parties, restaurants, etc. That one incident in july just caught attention because he directly broke a FIA rule (contact to people outside of his bubble during a double header).

He is not the only one obviously: Gasly was on a big wedding in France for example, Marko mentioned that one of his drivers went to a party where somebody else then got tested positive, Hamilton went to a trip to Turkey while the infections were exploding there, Perez to Mexico, and there is probably much more. In itself it's not hugely negative because you cant exactly expect everyone to live like a monk, especially during the summer where everything was a tad easier, but again, Leclerc is a pretty horrible example of somebody unfortunately catching the virus after being careful.

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Posted 15 January 2021 - 08:45

"Partying all year"...

Except for a breach in July, there is no evidence to your claims whatsoever. 

 

Drivers not taking it seriously should be punished, no doubt, and Leclerc should not have gotten away with it. But Jesus Christ, this forum sometimes with its hilarious exaggerations. 

Partly agree, but OTOH sometimes it's hard not to get very frustrated with some of these drivers.  They are exceptionally privileged people and they more than almost anyone have the means to take serious precautions against contracting or spreading the virus, but some of them are so cavalier in their attitude that you sometimes wonder just what goes through their minds.  Are they that stupid that they don't realise the dangers, or are they that selfish and arrogant that they just don't care how they put others at risk?  They can't even use the isolation boredom excuse that many people have, since by nature of their job they get to see different places and people throughout the year.  How hard can it be to resist going to parties or other large group gatherings?



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Posted 15 January 2021 - 08:50

Partly agree, but OTOH sometimes it's hard not to get very frustrated with some of these drivers. They are exceptionally privileged people and they more than almost anyone have the means to take serious precautions against contracting or spreading the virus, but some of them are so cavalier in their attitude that you sometimes wonder just what goes through their minds. Are they that stupid that they don't realise the dangers, or are they that selfish and arrogant that they just don't care how they put others at risk? They can't even use the isolation boredom excuse that many people have, since by nature of their job they get to see different places and people throughout the year. How hard can it be to resist going to parties or other large group gatherings?

If you are used to jetset it's naturally harder to adapt to a much more serene life. To some extent I can understand that, but there is only so much slack you can cut in the end.

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Posted 15 January 2021 - 08:54

Partly agree, but OTOH sometimes it's hard not to get very frustrated with some of these drivers.  They are exceptionally privileged people and they more than almost anyone have the means to take serious precautions against contracting or spreading the virus, but some of them are so cavalier in their attitude that you sometimes wonder just what goes through their minds.  Are they that stupid that they don't realise the dangers, or are they that selfish and arrogant that they just don't care how they put others at risk?  They can't even use the isolation boredom excuse that many people have, since by nature of their job they get to see different places and people throughout the year.  How hard can it be to resist going to parties or other large group gatherings?

 

I do agree on some of the points, but you have to consider that they live strict, busy lives, even during the off season. While they live luxuriously, they don't have the one luxury that normal people have: basic freedom outside of working hours. And they're all young, stupid and spoilt basically, and go through the same stages of irresponsibility that many others do when they were young and lash out every once in a while. And if it goes unpunished, then they will keep doing it. 

 

Again, just like I've argued in the 'Postponed start of the season' thread, the controlled environment that F1 runs is flawed, considering what we witnessed last year. It's nothing more than a superficial, rose-tinted glass for TV audiences to believe that they are pioneering the ultimate, working bubble of safety during a pandemic. 



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Posted 15 January 2021 - 08:55

Just check some of his stan twitter accounts. He is regulary pictured on parties, restaurants, etc. That one incident in july just caught attention because he directly broke a FIA rule (contact to people outside of his bubble during a double header).

He is not the only one obviously: Gasly was on a big wedding in France for example, Marko mentioned that one of his drivers went to a party where somebody else then got tested positive, Hamilton went to a trip to Turkey while the infections were exploding there, Perez to Mexico, and there is probably much more. In itself it's not hugely negative because you cant exactly expect everyone to live like a monk, especially during the summer where everything was a tad easier, but again, Leclerc is a pretty horrible example of somebody unfortunately catching the virus after being careful.

I don't know, I think that's not an unreasonable expectation.  

 

F1 went through a massive crisis last year and there was a time when there was considerable doubt whether they'd even be able to manage a season, and the same looks like it might be true again this year. Is it so hard, when faced with a crisis that threatens everybody's entire livelihoods and futures, to expect everybody to pull together and make a few personal sacrifices for the good of everyone else?

 

I've lived like a monk this past year.  Pretty much the only times I've left the house were to get food and toiletries, aside from two funerals, unfortunately.  Can't say I enjoy it, but I recognise that it's just not sensible to pretend Covid doesn't exist or to take risks that might affect my family. In the F1 bubble they even get to mix with other people, so they can't really even use the monk excuse anyway.  Don't wish any disease on anybody but have to say it's hard to feel particularly sorry for any driver who contracts Covid because they couldn't control themselves



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Posted 15 January 2021 - 09:05

I do agree on some of the points, but you have to consider that they live strict, busy lives, even during the off season. While they live luxuriously, they don't have the one luxury that normal people have: basic freedom outside of working hours. And they're all young, stupid and spoilt basically, and go through the same stages of irresponsibility that many others do when they were young and lash out every once in a while. And if it goes unpunished, then they will keep doing it. 

 

Again, just like I've argued in the 'Postponed start of the season' thread, the controlled environment that F1 runs is flawed, considering what we witnessed last year. It's nothing more than a superficial, rose-tinted glass for TV audiences to believe that they are pioneering the ultimate, working bubble of safety during a pandemic. 

I don't want to get on my high horse here, but what basic freedom?!  People should be staying at home and not going out unless absolutely necessary.  It's this idea that "oh, it won't matter if I do x this one time" that helps viruses like Covid spread the way they do, because people struggle to comprehend that their actions inevitably impact upon others.  That's why I think punishment for transgressions should be much, much more severe than now.  If F1 wants to continue in the midst of this crisis, then the only way it will work is if they take it deadly seriously.  And that's why I think if someone in the F1 bubble is found to be going to a party or otherwise socialising with people from outside that bubble, they should face punitive sanctions.  Ones that actually hurt, not a slap on the wrist.



#46 shure

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Posted 15 January 2021 - 09:06

If you are used to jetset it's naturally harder to adapt to a much more serene life. To some extent I can understand that, but there is only so much slack you can cut in the end.

I do understand it, too.  Just venting on here I guess.  I get that it's difficult, I just don't think that being difficult should be any kind of excuse!



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Posted 15 January 2021 - 09:20

I don't know, I think that's not an unreasonable expectation.

F1 went through a massive crisis last year and there was a time when there was considerable doubt whether they'd even be able to manage a season, and the same looks like it might be true again this year. Is it so hard, when faced with a crisis that threatens everybody's entire livelihoods and futures, to expect everybody to pull together and make a few personal sacrifices for the good of everyone else?

I've lived like a monk this past year. Pretty much the only times I've left the house were to get food and toiletries, aside from two funerals, unfortunately. Can't say I enjoy it, but I recognise that it's just not sensible to pretend Covid doesn't exist or to take risks that might affect my family. In the F1 bubble they even get to mix with other people, so they can't really even use the monk excuse anyway. Don't wish any disease on anybody but have to say it's hard to feel particularly sorry for any driver who contracts Covid because they couldn't control themselves

As with everything in life I think moderation is key. When the infections were low I dont think there was much wrong to go to a party, dine out with friends a few times, etc. For many people going from full social life to monk life can be pretty brutal mental health wise. The problem is just that too many people returned to a pretty normal life again (i.e. for some partying every day, dining out with 10 different people every day, etc.) and that's why we are back to peak levels.

I for example had no issues: except of dining out on business trips I had to do I stayed away from social life last year, turned down any invitation to parties or nights out and even cancelled my summer holidays. But it is very easy for me because I'm anyway not the most socializing person, I dont expect everyone to do that, but at least everyone to minimize it to a significantly lower level than before.

Obviously now I would expect everyone to live like a monk unless they are in a neutralized enviroment (bubbles, covid free countries, etc.), which makes a Dubai trip right now obviously unforgivable, regardless who you are.

Edited by Marklar, 15 January 2021 - 09:22.


#48 baddog

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Posted 15 January 2021 - 09:32

If you are used to jetset it's naturally harder to adapt to a much more serene life. 

 

Affluenza is a joke not a real illness.

 

Everything is easier for rich kids not harder. 



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Posted 15 January 2021 - 10:40

A couple of posts removed to head off the ‘just how serious is this virus anyway’, please don’t.



#50 Zoe

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Posted 15 January 2021 - 10:40

A couple of posts removed to head off the ‘just how serious is this virus anyway’, please don’t.

Thanks! My blood pressure was already rising :)