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[OvDrone]

Putting all my energy behind Keselowski these last 20 laps of incoming entropy.

[OvDrone]

Logano blocking, Keselowski being pushed into him... a bitch of a big one.

McDowell won, says all about what plate racing currently is.

Says more that I keep watching this lol.

At least Truex's ex-spotter won.

[Mila]

Those were some big hits. 

 

Brad's in one piece, but he ain't happy. 

[racinggeek]

Well, both McDowell and his Front Row team have been competitive on occasion on the plate tracks, so while an upset, it's not a total surprise to me. Them getting to the finish with a whole car has been an issue.

McDowell came out of road racing and ran rather well on those courses in Xfinity when he was with a good team. First time I noticed him was in a Gibbs car at Road America, 2012 if I recall correctly, and he just destroyed the field, had something like a 25 second lead on merit when a yellow came out before he was able to take the white flag, and he ran out of gas on the second try at a green-white-checkered. In following years he picked up a win and a runner-up at RA.

So yeah, a journeyman driver and team won, but I'm OK with it. They were right there.

On a side note, feel for Brad.

And three Penske cars destroyed in one fell swoop. That was brutal.

[SKL]

Watched the clash race during the rain delay-  can't wait for the road course race next week!   Probably the most of a 500 miler tin top race I've ever watched and really enjoyed it... uh oh!

 

Must say, the captain won't be happy tonight...

[Dmitriy_Guller]

For what is supposed to be the crown jewel, Daytona 500 sure seems like a fluke-prone lottery.  I wonder how much of an act other drivers are putting on pretending that winning a plate track lottery is a lifelong achievement.

[Branislav]

Logano blocking, Keselowski being pushed into him... a bitch of a big one.

McDowell won, says all about what plate racing currently is.

Says more that I keep watching this lol.

At least Truex's ex-spotter won.

You keep watching because you don't know the winner

 

Too bad for Brad... Who's to blame, Logano?

 

And I must admit that today is not Thursday

[BiggestBuddyLazierFan]

Whats the deal with the girl that pops up from time to time?

At first glance it seemed like some cheezy advertisment. Kind of like "click and meet online singles" or something along those lines.

[FLB]

Those were some big hits. 

 

Brad's in one piece, but he ain't happy. 

No, he wasn't...

 

https://twitter.com/...201494016610304

[maximilian]

What a joke Nascar is

[HP]

500 miles to get wrecked in the last lap? Uugh.

[Mila]

 

Who's to blame, Logano?

 

Yeah, pretty much, I guess. He successfully, and fairly, blocked Keselowski earlier on the back straight, but, on his final block, he didn't account for the additional speed Keselowski gained from McDowell's bump. 

Edited by Mila, 15 February 2021 - 14:36.

[Branislav]

What a joke Nascar is

Nascar>Indycar

 

Numbers don't lie

[pacificquay]

That just means more people like it, not that it’s better

[Branislav]

That just means more people like it, not that it’s better

And people usually like bad product   (apart F1 of course but that's different)

[MarceltheVirginian]

I know I'm a late comer (I didn't watch the race) but congrats to McDowell. That's feel good stuff right there.

[maximilian]

(I didn't watch the race) 

 

You missed absolutely NOTHING.

[Branislav]

You missed absolutely NOTHING.

 

 

Nothing at all

[Dolph]

Watched the finish replay. The commentators don't seem to apportion any blame on anyone. I don't get it, what's the call here. Is it an unfortunate incident where McDowell bump drafted Keselowski who bump drafted Logano in the wrong spot and spun them out? Or did McDowell recklessly push Keselowski to see come what may and he crashed both cars out from the front? I'm kind of confused why McDowell is allowed to keep the win after he seemed to cause the huge wreck that allowed him to drive to the win. I'm not a Nascar guys, so this is all a bit weird for me.

Edited by Dolph, 15 February 2021 - 16:16.

[Branislav]

You missed absolutely NOTHING.

 

 

This not happened

[Myrvold]

I'm kind of confused why McDowell is allowed to keep the win after he seemed to cause the huge wreck that allowed him to drive to the win. I'm not a Nascar guys, so this is all a bit weird for me.

 

Mate, just watch NASCAR Road Course or short tracks. How it is ok to just flat out dump and spin out the leader in one of the last corners because "that was my only chance to win" is something many just cannot understand (me included). However that is just how NASCAR is.

Edited by Myrvold, 15 February 2021 - 23:12.

[Branislav]

What a joke Nascar is

And this guy doesn't lie

 

 

[Dmitriy_Guller]

Has anyone done the stats on how often the leaders on penultimate lap survive the last lap in these races?  It feels like a certainty that whoever leads the penultimate lap will try to block on the last lap, and will be spun around.  IIRC, at least three of the last four Daytona 500 races ended with the leader crashing.

[eibyyz]

Watched the finish replay. The commentators don't seem to apportion any blame on anyone. I don't get it, what's the call here. Is it an unfortunate incident where McDowell bump drafted Keselowski who bump drafted Logano in the wrong spot and spun them out? Or did McDowell recklessly push Keselowski to see come what may and he crashed both cars out from the front? I'm kind of confused why McDowell is allowed to keep the win after he seemed to cause the huge wreck that allowed him to drive to the win. I'm not a Nascar guys, so this is all a bit weird for me.

 

NA$CAR had a precedent to address this at 'Dega 2006.  Brian Vickers put Jimmy into Joonyer and won the race.  No one besides Vickers was happy about it, not even his team--he was on his way out of Hendrick's at the time.  NA$CAR declined to do anything, thus setting the standard.

[Branislav]

I watched replay 10 times. Logano is an ass

 

This was Brad's win

[loki]

Those were some big hits. 

 

Brad's in one piece, but he ain't happy. 

His best quote was along the lines of “I didn’t do anything wrong but I can’t drive the other cars too”.

 

That just means more people like it, not that it’s better

Better is in the eye of the beholder.  Vanilla ice cream is the most popular but does that mean it’s better than the other flavors?

[John B]

Has anyone done the stats on how often the leaders on penultimate lap survive the last lap in these races? It feels like a certainty that whoever leads the penultimate lap will try to block on the last lap, and will be spun around. IIRC, at least three of the last four Daytona 500 races ended with the leader crashing.

And those that don't end with a crash on the last lap are restart/GWC lotteries that also result in random winners. A poor representation for the series crown jewel event.

FOX crew rarely criticizes name drivers as far as I can remember, perhaps apart from DW a few times. The only instance that comes to mind was a pit incident for BJ MacCleod, who is not a big name. NBC tends to be more outspoken.

[racinggeek]

Watched the finish replay. The commentators don't seem to apportion any blame on anyone. I don't get it, what's the call here. Is it an unfortunate incident where McDowell bump drafted Keselowski who bump drafted Logano in the wrong spot and spun them out? Or did McDowell recklessly push Keselowski to see come what may and he crashed both cars out from the front? I'm kind of confused why McDowell is allowed to keep the win after he seemed to cause the huge wreck that allowed him to drive to the win. I'm not a Nascar guys, so this is all a bit weird for me.

 

Not all that sure one can "blame" McDowell. The way restrictor plate racing is on the last lap of these draft-reliant tracks, I'd guess Kez was expecting and hoping for McDowell to bump him into picking up more speed to shoot him past Logano. McD was pushing/bumping him almost all the way down the backstretch leading up to the incident. And, it  wasn't a hefty bump and McD's car wasn't touching Brad's when Kez ran into Logano. It certainly wasn't as big a bump nor as blatant as Cowboy Dillon wrecking Almirola in the same spot two years ago to win, just for one example.

 

And, Logano is a notorious lane-shifting blocker and was moving around in front of Kez and the others down the backstretch, although one can argue that's exactly what this type of racing requires.

 

I've watched it several times now and would be inclined to call it "one of then racin' deals" as far as restrictor-plate racing goes. McD gave Kez the bump that McD needed to make a run but it happened at a time when Kez and Logano were jockeying for a lane, so any contact at that speed was bound to spin one if not both of them. 

 

Not saying I favor this kind of a last-lap schmozz, but it's the kind of racing the rules dictate. Yeah, a wreck-free finish would be nice for a change on a plate track.

[racinggeek]

 

 

Nothing at all

 

Eh, the last two laps were exciting (when Brad, McDowell, Dillon and others started to move) and the "Big One" early on was, if you're into that kinda thing. The rest was exceedingly processional, like the worst plate races of the '90s.

[Myrvold]

Not all that sure one can "blame" McDowell. The way restrictor plate racing is on the last lap of these draft-reliant tracks, I'd guess Kez was expecting and hoping for McDowell to bump him into picking up more speed to shoot him past Logano. McD was pushing/bumping him almost all the way down the backstretch leading up to the incident. And, it  wasn't a hefty bump and McD's car wasn't touching Brad's when Kez ran into Logano. It certainly wasn't as big a bump nor as blatant as Cowboy Dillon wrecking Almirola in the same spot two years ago to win, just for one example.
 
And, Logano is a notorious lane-shifting blocker and was moving around in front of Kez and the others down the backstretch, although one can argue that's exactly what this type of racing requires.
 
I've watched it several times now and would be inclined to call it "one of then racin' deals" as far as restrictor-plate racing goes. McD gave Kez the bump that McD needed to make a run but it happened at a time when Kez and Logano were jockeying for a lane, so any contact at that speed was bound to spin one if not both of them. 
 
Not saying I favor this kind of a last-lap schmozz, but it's the kind of racing the rules dictate. Yeah, a wreck-free finish would be nice for a change on a plate track.

Good thing there's no 24hr McD nearby. I suddenly crave a quarter pounder 

Edited by Myrvold, 15 February 2021 - 23:14.

[jonpollak]

Thanks to 4t1 I saw the race.
Joey bag-a-donuts douche.
Jp

[Branislav]

 

 

Better is in the eye of the beholder.  Vanilla ice cream is the most popular but does that mean it’s better than the other flavors?

But that doesn't mean that the other flavors are better neither. It's taste thing, I love this you love that.

 

But when we talk about racing in US and someone tell me this is joke and that joke makes money 10 times the socond joke I only laugh

[Lemnpiper]

Glad McDowell won  but  restrictor plate racing  is the pits. 

 

 

   The lack of competition among a larger group of engine builders , chassis builder and body constructors , along with few and few owners is to me the main culprit. And to undo that  means a total deconstruct of the top series will need to be done.

 

 

 

  Paul

[Branislav]

 

Logano throws a block...

[Stephane]

 

 

Nothing at all

 

Well, all i see there is a big crash and 3 final laps.

 

Yeah, great. 

[Branislav]

Well, all i see there is a big crash and 3 final laps.

 

Yeah, great. 

 

Green flag passes: 2,755 (17.2 per green flag lap)

Lead changes: 22

 

 

Nothing at all...

[Stephane]

Watch cycling if all you want is passing.

 

 

By the way, i commentend only on the highlights, haven't seen the race.

[Branislav]

Watch cycling if all you want is passing.

 

 

By the way, i commentend only on the highlights, haven't seen the race.

Cycling is not a motorsport pal

[Stephane]

But there's a lot of overtakes. 

[Branislav]

But there's a lot of overtakes. 

Also two-wheelers. I prefer cars