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[dutra]

Besides all this, the broadcast rights are bought and paid for. Its really not F1's problem if the broadcaster choses not to show it...

 

Depends on the contract. Both parties may be in trouble if something don't happen in time. If a channel decide not to show a race they could be penalized, but in a case of a delayed race that clause may not be imposed. And at the same time the broadcaster may have a deal with F1 "forcing" the race to be on time.

[Clatter]

I don't know where you get this idea from. In many countries F1 is on a dedicated channel, or at least a dedicated sports channel. The problem you describe was a problem in the 90s when sport was on a terrestrial channel, sandwiched between a soap opera and the news. That's not often the case these days the broadcasters usually have the capacity to show a much longer broadcast on their sports channel, or at worst show the continuing coverage on sports channel 2... There are much more "time variable" sports than F1, take winter sports, alpine ski racing is always being postponed, delayed or held because of weather issues, it's not a problem, you just have to get used to constantly moving schedules (and frustration that your Sky box can't always cope with recording it)! 

 

Besides all this, the broadcast rights are bought and paid for. Its really not F1's problem if the broadcaster choses not to show it...

 

And the SC was brought in when there were not the dedicated channels and I have no idea what % of coverage they represent. It was brought in mainly to try and ensure the race ran to the scheduled times. Really don't know why your comparing F1 with winter sports, which simply doesn't have the same sort of coverage in the first place. It doesn't matter whether the rights have been bought and paid for or not, the sport has often tinkered with the timings to suit the TV companies. The last one being the start moving to 10 minutes past the hour. The problem of recording is not down to the Sky box, but the broadcaster not updating the guide on the fly.

[dutra]

South Korea 2010, Japan 2007 countless laps around SC at the start are clear cases of the SC used as a tool to keep things as much on schedule as possible.

[absinthedude]

The SC has, on occasion, been used to keep things to schedule. But that wasn't and isn't it's primary purpose. It's purpose is to allow the marshals clear track time to safely move cars which would have been left at track side prior to the mid 90s....or would have seen marshals dodging fast moving cars taking unacceptable risks (see South Africa 1977...or in fact don't go look at it because it's truly gruesome). 

 

In the case of races deemed too wet to start normally, I'd be in favour of waiting. Though situations did occurs in the past when a race start might be delayed hours such that by the closing laps it was getting too dark. Having the cars run behind the SC for 10 laps *might* allow conditions to improve and the wet tyres to help make the track safe enough for racing....rather than wait, wait, wait and start the race so late that it cannot possibly be completed before the sun sets. 

[PayasYouRace]

I don’t think that’s 100% of it. It’s there to keep things in schedule because otherwise you’d need a red flag to clear those cars.

[midgrid]

Interesting to hear Brundle's comments during the safety car period at the beginning of the race: along the lines of expecting to see more safety car use this year due to the new sponsorship deals.

[ANF]

There are two clocks, brought in since Canada 2011.
 
The first is the clock that stops during a red flag. The time of the cars on track must not exceed 2 hours. The second is the clock that does not stop at a red flag. The total time of the race, including stoppages but not exceed 4 hours.
 
Delays of over two hours are rare, but it's to prevent another crazy long GP like in Canada.

The maximum total time has been reduced to three hours!

2021 regulations:
5.3(b) Should the race be suspended (see Article 41) the length of the suspension will be added to this period up to a maximum total race time of three (3) hours.

2020 regulations:
5.3(b) Should the race be suspended (see Article 41) the length of the suspension will be added to this period up to a maximum total race time of four hours.

[MikeTekRacing]

Interesting to hear Brundle's comments during the safety car period at the beginning of the race: along the lines of expecting to see more safety car use this year due to the new sponsorship deals.

yeap, exactly what we need. Maybe throw in a safety car carrying a banner from time to time.

[ExFlagMan]

I guess one advantage is it would allow Sky the opportunity to introduce ad-breaks during the race....

[ensign14]

Thought I'd resurrect this after the carnage in the F2 today, thanks to repeated safety cars bunching up the field, that was so bad Amaury Cordeel nearly got a podium.

 

Anything that causes that is surely not fit for the sport.

[Gravelngrass]

https://www.motorspo...paign=widget-22In the article it says in America it’s regarded as ‘part of the spectacle’ and isn’t that so in F1, as artificial as that may be.

More than that, they need safety cars to run commercials…

[Claudius]

I think its becoming a norm that drivers park the ailing car on the worst part of the track.

[RedRabbit]

Thought I'd resurrect this after the carnage in the F2 today, thanks to repeated safety cars bunching up the field, that was so bad Amaury Cordeel nearly got a podium.

Anything that causes that is surely not fit for the sport.

So ... Nothing to do with F1 then, or a particular driver losing out during the SC?

[Werbank]

Occasionally I watch old races from the 1980s, mostly the ones I couldn’t see back then and whenever there’s a car retiring and stopping on or near the track, I get a chilling feeling but then quickly remember “hey, it’s 1980s, all is ok, the race will not be interrupted” :-)

Edited by Werbank, 04 September 2022 - 19:29.