26 replies to this topic

[MKSixer]

Is there a repository of information on Rain Affected Races from, say 1980 to 2020 IN FORMULA ONE?  I performed a search but couldn't find anything definitive.

 

If there isn't one, could we pull together our respective memories and create one?  Thanks for the help!!

 

Edit: Thanks for the clarification request, ARTGP!

Edited by MKSixer, 22 March 2021 - 16:42.

[ARTGP]

races that were shortened due to rain? Or any race at all that endured so much as a spritz?

And are we talking about a particular series?

Edited by ARTGP, 22 March 2021 - 17:05.

[Ruusperi]

How would you define a rain affected race? There have been so many races (especially recent times) where it rained a few drops but that's all it was. Or maybe it was damp at the start but everyone started on slicks.

If you require that intermediate tires or full wets were used, then you could try to find tyre strategy statistics for each GP. Though I'm not aware of any site that lists tyre choices from the beginning of 1980s.

Edited by Ruusperi, 22 March 2021 - 17:01.

[Anderis]

Statsf1.com gives a general info of what the weather was like during each race but you need to check one race at a time. I know no better sources. Also what "rain affected" means will be always up to debate (and therefore the info on statsf1.com may not be exactly what you wish)..

[jjcale]

I saw a stat last week - "LH has won 60% of the rain affected races he has raced in" ..... and I wondered what the source for that was .... as I have no idea of anyone keeping a register of rain affected races.  

[YoungGun]

Does this help?

 

https://forums.autos...f1-grands-prix/

[Collombin]

1981 was a very wet season - it even rained in the Monaco tunnel.

[ANF]

Statsf1.com gives a general info of what the weather was like during each race but you need to check one race at a time. I know no better sources. Also what "rain affected" means will be always up to debate (and therefore the info on statsf1.com may not be exactly what you wish)..

The Complete Encyclopedia of Formula One has weather information among the race results. Bruce Jones was/is the author, so perhaps the info comes from Autosport race reports.

1984 Monaco GP: "Cool with heavy rain"
1991 Brazilian GP: "Warm and dull, wet later on"
1995 Japanese GP: "Cool and damp, drying later"

Sometimes it differs from the weather in Autocourse annuals:
1988 British GP: "Cool and wet" vs "Cloudy, cool, intermittent rain"

Can't find any weather info in the databases at Formula1.com or FIA.com though.

[Risil]

Forix records the weather conditions for Grand Prix races, apparently going back to 1950. However possibly not in the detail you'd like: for instance the 1993 South African GP is listed as dry, which is the best one-word description for it but omits the fact that the track was underwater by the last lap.

[MKSixer]

Thanks for the help, everyone!!  Please continue to comment as the races come to mind!!

[Risil]

Rando question: I've got a memory of the 2003 Australian GP being affected by rain but did it actually rain during the race? Or was it just damp at the beginning.

[Myrvold]

Oh. Cliptheapex have removed all the tables from their site, only a bit messy forum left there?

 

They had a good overview over wet weather affected races over 30 seasons.

[IrvTheSwerve]

Rando question: I've got a memory of the 2003 Australian GP being affected by rain but did it actually rain during the race? Or was it just damp at the beginning.

Damp start thats all.

[P123]

Rando question: I've got a memory of the 2003 Australian GP being affected by rain but did it actually rain during the race? Or was it just damp at the beginning.

 

Not enough for wet tyres.  Started raining on lap 15/16 but only for a few laps.  Schumachers's lead went from around 11s to 3s in a handful of laps.

[JimmyClark]

Suzuka 2000 is a case in point. Rain falling probably made the difference in one of the most famous title deciding races of all time, but given no wet tyres were used it is never counted as a "wet" race.

[noriaki]

I've been composing one so might as well share my full, "binary" (as in: one lap of wet track = wet race) list of wet Grandes Epreuves - sources: several websites concerning the pre-WW II racing history, mainly the kolumbus website; the list on f1metrics; and....wikipedia.

 

So the list will probably contain errors, but here goes nothing. 

 

1906-21 -

1922 Strasbourg

1923 -

1924 -

1925 Linas-Montlhery

1926 -

1927 Monza, Brooklands

1928 -

1929 Le Mans 

1930 -

1931 Nürburgring

1932 Nürburgring

1933 Linas-Montlhéry, Monza, Lasarte

1934 Spa

1935 Nürburgring, Bremgarten

1936 Monaco

1937 Bremgarten

1938 Bremgarten

1939 Spa, Nürburgring, Bremgarten

1946 -

1947 -

1948 Valentino Park

1949 -

 

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1950 Indianapolis

1951 Bremgarten

1952 Spa, Rouen, Zandvoort

1953 Silverstone

1954 Buenos Aires, Silverstone, Bremgarten

1955 Zandvoort

1956 Spa, Monza

1957 -

1958 Boavista

1959 -

1960 Monaco

1961 Aintree, Nürburgring

1962 Nürburgring, Monza

1963 Spa, Reims

1964 -

1965 Spa, Watkins Glen

1966 Spa, Brands Hatch, Nürburgring

1967 Mosport

1968 Zandvoort, Rouen, Nürburgring

1969 -

1970 -

1971 Zandvoort, Mosport

1972 Jarama, Monaco, Watkins Glen

1973 Mosport

1974 Interlagos, Jarama, Nürburgring

1975 Monaco, Zandvoort, Silverstone, Österreichring

1976 Nürburgring, Fuji

1977 Zolder, Österreichring, Watkins Glen

1978 Österreichring

1979 Kyalami, Watkins Glen

1980 Monaco

1981 Jacarepaguá, Imola, Zolder, Dijon, Hockenheim, Montreal

1982 Monaco

1983 Monaco

1984 Monaco

1985 Estoril, Spa

1986 -

1987 Detroit

1988 Silverstone, Hockenheim, Suzuka

1989 Montreal, Spa, Adelaide

1990 Montreal

1991 Interlagos, Imola, Barcelona, Adelaide

1992 Barcelona, Magny-Cours, Spa

1993 Kyalami, Interlagos, Donington, Imola, Suzuka

1994 Suzuka

1995 Imola, Magny-Cours, Spa, Nürburgring, Suzuka

1996 Interlagos, Monaco, Barcelona

1997 Monaco, Magny-Cours, Spa

1998 Silverstone, Spa

1999 Magny-Cours, Nürburgring

2000 Montreal, Nürburgring, Hockenheim, Spa, Indianapolis

2001 Sepang, Interlagos

2002 Silverstone

2003 Melbourne, Interlagos, Indianapolis

2004 Monza, Interlagos

2005 Spa-Francorchamps

2006 Hungaroring, Shanghai

2007 Nürburgring, Fuji, Shanghai

2008 Monaco, Silverstone, Spa, Monza, Interlagos

2009 Sepang, Shanghai

2010 Melbourne, Shanghai, Spa, Yeongam

2011 Montreal, Silverstone, Hungaroring

2012 Sepang, Interlagos

2013 Sepang

2014 Hungaroring, Suzuka

2015 Silverstone, Austin

2016 Monaco, Silverstone, Interlagos

2017 Shanghai, Singapore

2018 Hockenheim

2019 Hockenheim

2020 Hungaroring, Portimão, Istanbul

 

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VERY incomplete list of non-championship F1, Formula Libre and Tasman Championship wet races, which had at least some regular GP teams participating:

 

1926 Spanish GP, Lasarte

1927 Targa Florio, Madonie

1928 Circuito di Alessandria, Alessandria

1929 San Sebastian GP, Lasarte

1931 Targa Florio, Madonie

1932 Eifelrennen, Nürburgring; Masaryk GP, Brno

1933: Tunis GP, Carthage; Eifelrennen, Nürburgring; Masaryk GP, Brno

1934: Avusrennen, AVUS; Coppa Acerbo, Pescara; Swiss GP, Bremgarten

1935: Eifelrennen, Nürburgring

1936: Eifelrennen, Nürburgring

1951: International Trophy, Silverstone

1961: Lady Wigram Trophy, Wigram; Aintree 200, Aintree

1963: Lombank Trophy, Snetterton

1964: Lombank Trophy, Snetterton

1968: Longford Trophy, Longford

1969: Warwick Farm International, Warwick Farm; International Trophy, Silverstone

1974: Race of Champions, Brands Hatch

1975: Race of Champions, Brands Hatch

1978: International Trophy, Silverstone

1981: South African GP, Kyalami

Edited by noriaki, 23 March 2021 - 16:39.

[Bleu]

2004 Brazilian GP started on damp track and mostly on intermediates.

 

2007 there was no race at Suzuka, Japanese GP was at Fuji.

[A.Fant]

I've been composing one so might as well share my full, "binary" (as in: one lap of wet track = wet race) list of wet Grandes Epreuves - sources: several websites concerning the pre-WW II racing history, mainly the kolumbus website; the list on f1metrics; and....wikipedia.

 

So the list will probably contain errors, but here goes nothing. 

 

1906-24: -

1925 Linas-Montlhery

1927 Monza, Brooklands

1928 -

1929 Le Mans 

1930 -

1931 Nürburgring

1932 Nürburgring

1933 Linas-Montlhéry, Monza, Lasarte

1934 Spa

1935 Nürburgring, Bremgarten

1936 Monaco

1937 Bremgarten

1938 Bremgarten

1939 Spa, Nürburgring, Bremgarten

1946 -

1947 -

1948 Valentino Park

1949 -

 

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1950 Indianapolis

1951 Bremgarten

1952 Spa, Rouen, Zandvoort

1953 Silverstone

1954 Buenos Aires, Silverstone, Bremgarten

1955 Zandvoort

1956 Spa, Monza

1957 -

1958 Boavista

1959 -

1960 Monaco

1961 Aintree, Nürburgring

1962 Nürburgring, Monza

1963 Spa, Reims

1964 -

1965 Spa, Watkins Glen

1966 Spa, Brands Hatch, Nürburgring

1967 Mosport

1968 Zandvoort, Rouen, Nürburgring

1969 -

1970 -

1971 Zandvoort, Mosport

1972 Jarama, Monaco, Watkins Glen

1973 Mosport

1974 Interlagos, Jarama, Nürburgring

1975 Monaco, Zandvoort, Silverstone, Österreichring

1976 Nürburgring, Fuji

1977 Zolder, Österreichring, Watkins Glen

1978 Österreichring

1979 Kyalami, Watkins Glen

1980 Monaco

1981 Jacarepaguá, Imola, Zolder, Dijon, Hockenheim, Montreal

1982 -

1983 Monaco

1984 Monaco

1985 Estoril, Spa

1986 -

1987 Detroit

1988 Silverstone, Hockenheim, Suzuka

1989 Montreal, Spa, Adelaide

1990 Montreal

1991 Interlagos, Imola, Barcelona, Adelaide

1992 Barcelona, Magny-Cours, Spa

1993 Kyalami, Interlagos, Donington, Suzuka

1994 Suzuka

1995 Imola, Spa, Nürburgring, Suzuka

1996 Interlagos, Monaco, Barcelona

1997 Monaco, Magny-Cours, Spa

1998 Silverstone, Spa

1999 Magny-Cours, Nürburgring

2000 Montreal, Nürburgring, Hockenheim, Spa, Indianapolis

2001 Sepang, Interlagos

2002 Silverstone

2003 Melbourne, Interlagos, Indianapolis

2004 Monza

2005 Spa-Francorchamps

2006 Hungaroring, Shanghai

2007 Nürburgring, Suzuka, Shanghai

2008 Monaco, Silverstone, Spa, Monza, Interlagos

2009 Sepang, Shanghai

2010 Melbourne, Shanghai, Spa, Yeongam

2011 Montreal, Silverstone, Hungaroring

2012 Sepang, Interlagos

2013 Sepang

2014 Hungaroring, Suzuka

2015 Silverstone, Austin

2016 Monaco, Silverstone, Interlagos

2017 Shanghai, Singapore

2018 Hockenheim

2019 Hockenheim

2020 Hungaroring, Istanbul

 

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VERY incomplete list of non-championship F1, Formula Libre and Tasman Championship wet races, which had at least some regular GP teams participating:

 

1926 Spanish GP, Lasarte

1927 Targa Florio, Madonie

1928 Circuito di Alessandria, Alessandria

1929 San Sebastian GP, Lasarte

1931 Targa Florio, Madonie

1932 Eifelrennen, Nürburgring; Masaryk GP, Brno

1933: Tunis GP, Carthage; Eifelrennen, Nürburgring; Masaryk GP, Brno

1934: Avusrennen, AVUS; Coppa Acerbo, Pescara; Swiss GP, Bremgarten

1935: Eifelrennen, Nürburgring

1936: Eifelrennen, Nürburgring

1951: International Trophy, Silverstone

1961: Lady Wigram Trophy, Wigram; Aintree 200, Aintree

1963: Lombank Trophy, Snetterton

1964: Lombank Trophy, Snetterton

1968: Longford Trophy, Longford

1969: Warwick Farm International, Warwick Farm; International Trophy, Silverstone

1975: Race of Champions, Brands Hatch

1978: International Trophy, Silverstone

According to this list (unless I miscounted) Hamilton has won 42.42% of the rain affected races he's started (14/33).

 

He won 4 of his 21 first wet races and has since won 10/12.

[PlatenGlass]

Looking at that long list, off the top of my head I'd add Monaco 1982 (briefly - ask Prost) and Imola 1993.

Also I think there were a few drops of rain at Monaco 1985, and it rained a bit at Magny Cours 1995 as well I think. Monaco 2012 was a race where it ended raining a bit which added to the tension but I don't think anyone pitted.

Edited by PlatenGlass, 23 March 2021 - 13:47.

[SenorSjon]

Oh. Cliptheapex have removed all the tables from their site, only a bit messy forum left there?

 

They had a good overview over wet weather affected races over 30 seasons.

 

Try the internet archive?

 

According to this list (unless I miscounted) Hamilton has won 42.42% of the rain affected races he's started (14/33).

 

He won 4 of his 21 first wet races and has since won 10/12.

 

With Merc winning roughly 75% of all races, that they win wet races at a big rate as well is to no surprise.

[Celloman]

Again proves the old times were better cliche. Over the last 10 years we are down to under two wet races over a 20 race season, in the 90's it was 3 out of 16.

 

And yeah it's no surprise that Hamilton won that many considering his win rate at Mercedes. Hamilton really proved himself as a great wet weather driver in the early McLaren days, his 2008 Monaco and Silverstone wins are the ones I remember the best. Turkey 2020 as third.

[NixxxoN]

So since 1986 we always had at least 1 wet GP each year? Interesting

[Risil]

So since 1986 we always had at least 1 wet GP each year? Interesting

 

Yes, although I don't think the sprinkles that affected the 1987 Detroit GP amounted to much.

 

For the non-championship races, the 1981 South African GP was wet for a while so you can add that one in.

[MattK9]

If 1 wet lap = a wet race then Portimao 2020 was wet.

 

Ham won that one as well! 

Edited by MattK9, 24 March 2021 - 09:37.

[Tim Murray]

Also need to add the 1974 Race of Champions. I was there and got thoroughly soaked. This was the race where Ickx famously passed Lauda around the outside at Paddock Hill Bend.

[cpbell]

Strasbourg 1922 saw the roads very wet after heavy overnight rain.

[noriaki]

Thanks for the notes and corrections, keep them coming! Not counting Monaco races in 1985 / 2012 as wet races - or at least I can't remember whether the actual rain in those 2 races caused any incidents or made people switch their tyres?

 

If we count the WDC races only Ascari has the highest winning percentage, 80%  (4 out of 5), but considering he spent 4 of those 5 races in a rather dominant car, I'm sure a more comprehensive assessment of his prowess in the wet weather could be made if weather information of the non-championship F1 races was more available than in my poor records from the 40's and the fifties. 

Senna raced 23 wet races and won 14 of them. Makes his wet weather winning percentage 60%.