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Wasn't that a wonderful Grand Prix at Baja Reign?

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#101 loki

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Posted 29 March 2021 - 22:15

I am assuming all this dust is being created due to the fresh tyres they all took on tearing up the surface?

The tires are hard, the cars are heavy and the suspension travel isn’t optimum for dirt.


Edited by loki, 29 March 2021 - 22:16.


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#102 loki

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Posted 29 March 2021 - 22:16

Yeah it's pretty not great. WTF?

That post was from Friday.  It’s worse now.



#103 jonpollak

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Posted 29 March 2021 - 22:18

Single file restarts now
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#104 Branislav

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Posted 29 March 2021 - 22:19

Keselowski is slow. I'm down  :(



#105 krapmeister

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Posted 29 March 2021 - 22:21

The tires are hard, the cars are heavy and the suspension travel isn’t optimum for dirt.


Thanks loki.

Dust definitely wasn't as bad before the stage break. And the tyres I saw that had been taken off were basically slicks. So thought the new tires with tread would've been part of the reason for the dust getting worse.

Commentators also mentioned it was worse in the corner/s that are in the sun too.

#106 jonpollak

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Posted 29 March 2021 - 22:27

Keselowski is slow. I'm down :(

Cheer for the Mexican
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#107 jonpollak

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Posted 29 March 2021 - 22:33

Eye dios mio I cursed him
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#108 CSF

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Posted 29 March 2021 - 22:37

Is that a Ford Sierra on track?



#109 Branislav

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Posted 29 March 2021 - 22:40

Cheer for the Mexican
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I'm for Reddick and #23



#110 AustinF1

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Posted 29 March 2021 - 22:42

That post was from Friday.  It’s worse now.

Yeah, I remember seeing it then and thinking it wasn't getting much care. Then I tuned in a few minutes ago, and wow



#111 AustinF1

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Posted 29 March 2021 - 22:45

The tires are hard, the cars are heavy and the suspension travel isn’t optimum for dirt.

Yep, and (for the uninitiated out there) in a closed stadium like Bristol, it's harder for the air to move the dust out. At the smaller dirt tracks you're always praying for the wind to be blowing away from the stands. If it is, great. If not, not so great. But the wind, if there is any, won't make as much difference at Bristol.



#112 John B

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Posted 29 March 2021 - 22:46

And the dirt is back for next year's spring race , with the new car...

#113 AustinF1

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Posted 29 March 2021 - 22:47

I'd dearly love to see these guys run on dirt with cars built for dirt. As it is now, they look like they're tiptoe-ing (I have no idea how to spell that) through the turns.


Edited by AustinF1, 29 March 2021 - 22:52.


#114 krapmeister

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Posted 29 March 2021 - 22:50

I guess if they are running more dirt races then they will probably start to optimise the cars a bit for dirt.

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Posted 29 March 2021 - 22:50

And the dirt is back for next year's spring race , with the new car...

I wonder if they'll have windscreens? Or build special cars without them?



#116 FLB

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Posted 29 March 2021 - 22:51

I guess if they are running more dirt races then they will probably start to optimise the cars a bit for dirt.

That's exactly what I'm thinking.



#117 krapmeister

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Posted 29 March 2021 - 22:51

*dirt specials*

#118 AustinF1

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Posted 29 March 2021 - 22:52

I guess if they are running more dirt races then they will probably start to optimise the cars a bit for dirt.

I approve of this message. One can hope!



#119 FLB

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Posted 29 March 2021 - 23:06

Uh oh. Yellow with 5 to go.

 

OT.


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#120 jonpollak

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Posted 29 March 2021 - 23:09

Thank goodness.
Jp

#121 krapmeister

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Posted 29 March 2021 - 23:09

These tyres do barely last the 50 laps.

Love that shot of the dust cloud over Bristol

#122 jonpollak

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Posted 29 March 2021 - 23:15

Every NASCAR thread I start ... Joey wins.

Remind me NEVER to do that again.
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#123 paulb

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Posted 29 March 2021 - 23:18

Ugh, I missed it. Got home, was tired and forgot.

It seemed entertaining, no?¿

#124 FLB

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Posted 29 March 2021 - 23:24

Ugh, I missed it. Got home, was tired and forgot.

It seemed entertaining, no?¿

A bit... strange. I'd rather watch the Super DIRT series than this.

 

 

And I was genuinely a lot more entertained by F1 yesterday.



#125 AustinF1

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Posted 29 March 2021 - 23:31

A bit... strange. I'd rather watch the Super DIRT series than this.

 

 

And I was genuinely a lot more entertained by F1 yesterday.

Yeah, y'all please don't take this as a good representation of dirt oval racing. 


Edited by AustinF1, 29 March 2021 - 23:32.


#126 Branislav

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Posted 29 March 2021 - 23:37

Keselowski was slow, nowhere near the front so race was not been interesting for me :cry:



#127 John B

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Posted 29 March 2021 - 23:39

From a pure racing standpoint, actually liked the 'non competitive pit stops' and single file restarts.

#128 Branislav

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Posted 29 March 2021 - 23:44

Did you hear Fox's "I Like Dirt" from RHCP in broadcast

 

So let's hear it one more time :up:

 

 

Awesome



#129 Myrvold

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Posted 29 March 2021 - 23:52

For one who honestly have never watched any dirt track racing, and only knowledge is a dirt track racing game for 10+ years ago (and NASCAR Dirt to Daytona). Listening to all the talk about this being so unique and special, how it was a completely different skillset and so on. It was quite meh to see mostly the same guys as normal at the top...



#130 loki

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Posted 30 March 2021 - 02:01

Suarez and Stenhouse aren’t usually up front.  Reddick and Eric Jones aren’t usually top 10.  Busch and Harvick quite a bit back from normal.



#131 loki

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Posted 30 March 2021 - 02:30

I doubt we’ll see many mods to the cars for the race next year.  It would be cheaper for them to go to Bloomquist, Richards or Labonte and buy a dirt super late. You can get a new slm roller less drive train and shocks for $30-50k.  It will easy cost the teams that much to design and mod a couple of cars.  Plus Nascar deciding on some sort of rules.

 

My guess is modified front body work like the finally allowed them to do with the splitter and some sort modified cooling system arrangement.   



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Posted 30 March 2021 - 08:25

I guess if they are running more dirt races then they will probably start to optimise the cars a bit for dirt.

 

Yes, that's the time to start thinking about making the car work on dirt! :D



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Posted 30 March 2021 - 08:28

This race sounds kinda funny, if not a "great advert for NASCAR", to borrow a phrase our soccer commentators use nonstop.

 

I thought with racing on dirt if they couldn't junk the stages and go the whole hog with heats, last chance qualifiers, and B- and A-mains.



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Posted 30 March 2021 - 08:49

Keselowski was slow, nowhere near the front so race was not been interesting for me :cry:

 

For someone who repeatedly claims to have a broad interest in motor racing, I find this statement baffling. 



#135 Branislav

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Posted 30 March 2021 - 09:19

For someone who repeatedly claims to have a broad interest in motor racing, I find this statement baffling. 

Well, driver is factor too. If my driver is not in the mix for high places then interest drop.

 

But I think it was this track also. Dirt is not in Nascar nature (I mean these cars are not made for that), didn't settled for me



#136 Peat

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Posted 30 March 2021 - 09:46

Fair enough. 

I watched the highlights, the dust had nowhere to go because of the huge amphitheater, just looked bloody dangerous at times. 



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Posted 30 March 2021 - 09:53

For one who honestly have never watched any dirt track racing, and only knowledge is a dirt track racing game for 10+ years ago (and NASCAR Dirt to Daytona). Listening to all the talk about this being so unique and special, how it was a completely different skillset and so on. It was quite meh to see mostly the same guys as normal at the top...

Racers gonna race.  It was the same back in the day.  You'd see more of a difference in Champcar but even then if you had a race with Foyt and Andretti and Al Unser in it you'd put your money on those three.

 

I thought the optics were fantastic, the cars looked difficult to drive and far more rugged and roadcar-y than on pavement. 



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Posted 30 March 2021 - 10:02

Fair enough. 

I watched the highlights, the dust had nowhere to go because of the huge amphitheater, just looked bloody dangerous at times. 

 

The combination of the glare of the sun and the dust was pretty bad, maybe wouldn't be *so* bad at night?



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Posted 30 March 2021 - 10:05

This race sounds kinda funny, if not a "great advert for NASCAR", to borrow a phrase our soccer commentators use nonstop.

 

I thought with racing on dirt if they couldn't junk the stages and go the whole hog with heats, last chance qualifiers, and B- and A-mains.

 

Using a shorter race format such as heats etc would also allow NASCAR to keep on top of the dust and tyre issues as well.



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Posted 30 March 2021 - 10:08

So if Bristol is going dirt again in the spring, does this mean they will just leave the dirt there over the winter? Or are they going to remove it all and then relay it again?

 

No idea of the cost but it seemed like a huge effort just for one race, maybe it was always envisaged that this wasn't going to be a one off (baring any major issues/mishaps with it)...



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Posted 30 March 2021 - 10:34

Fair enough.

I watched the highlights, the dust had nowhere to go because of the huge amphitheater, just looked bloody dangerous at times.

I just caught the highlights now. A real challenge for the drivers that's for sure!

#142 loki

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Posted 30 March 2021 - 16:09

Fair enough. 

I watched the highlights, the dust had nowhere to go because of the huge amphitheater, just looked bloody dangerous at times. 

Depending on the dirt it’s not usually that dusty.  There was talk on the radio broadcast that when watered then dried this clay was dusty.  It would have been dusty stadium or not.  They had heavy cars and hard tires.  Once the tires tore through the slick off they kicked up dust until it packed back down.  Because the cars can’t back in and float through the corner they displace more energy in a more concentrated area.  Those worn tires were in part due to drivers hanging it out in the turns.  Given the car geometry the dirt racers probably didn’t have an advantage.



#143 OvDrone

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Posted 30 March 2021 - 16:50

I fell asleep halfway through as it was 1am Transylvania time and I was feeling blissful.

 

Logano sucks, but this race didn't. I think it earned another try.



#144 John B

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Posted 30 March 2021 - 17:06

So if Bristol is going dirt again in the spring, does this mean they will just leave the dirt there over the winter? Or are they going to remove it all and then relay it again?
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There will be a race on the traditional paved high banks in the fall as part of the playoffs.

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Posted 30 March 2021 - 19:51

Truex has barely raced on dirt. But he won Stage 1, was 4th in Stage 2, and he was 3rd with two to go before having a tire issue that relegated him to 19th. He also led the most laps: 126 of them. Not bad bad for a dirt novice. I'm quite impressed.
Also, Saurez' run was impressive too.



#146 Dmitriy_Guller

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Posted 31 March 2021 - 07:33

To be fair, the two dirt ringers took each other out, so the race was almost doomed to be won by a dirt novice.



#147 jonpollak

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Posted 31 March 2021 - 08:05

Or worse Dmi.
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#148 AustinF1

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Posted 31 March 2021 - 08:27

This race sounds kinda funny, if not a "great advert for NASCAR", to borrow a phrase our soccer commentators use nonstop.

 

I thought with racing on dirt if they couldn't junk the stages and go the whole hog with heats, last chance qualifiers, and B- and A-mains.

Yeah, this is a great point. Wanna race on dirt? Do it the way the dirt racers do. Hopefully, they learned a lot from this first run.



#149 FLB

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Posted 31 March 2021 - 13:56

This race sounds kinda funny, if not a "great advert for NASCAR", to borrow a phrase our soccer commentators use nonstop.

 

I thought with racing on dirt if they couldn't junk the stages and go the whole hog with heats, last chance qualifiers, and B- and A-mains.

 

Yeah, this is a great point. Wanna race on dirt? Do it the way the dirt racers do. Hopefully, they learned a lot from this first run.

 

When was the last Consolation race in NASCAR Cup? Sometime in the mid-1980s?


Edited by FLB, 31 March 2021 - 13:56.