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[statman]

a new season means a new topic which will of course lead to strange ratings across various media outlets. Some more respectable than others.

 

First rating is in

 

 

Racingsnews365:

 

Hamilton: 9

Verstappen: 9

Norris: 8.5

Leclerc: 8.5

Ricciardo: 7.5

Sainz: 7.5

Tsunoda: 7.5

Russell: 7.5

Alonso: 7.5

Stroll: 7

Raikkonen: 7

Perez: 7

Giovinazzi: 6.5

Bottas: 6.5

Schumacher: 6

Gasly: 5.5

Ocon: 5.5

Latifi: 4

Vettel: 3

Mazepin: 2

[lewislorenzo]

6.5 is harsh on Bottas would give him an 8

[Dicun]

This is blasphemy, the topic should have been started by Marklar 

 

 

 

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[Ultraviolet]

6.5 is harsh on Bottas would give him an 8

Agreed. Not sure what Norris did to deserve less than Max and Lewis, either, or why Perez is rated so lowly for a sterling recovery drive after being put to the back through no fault of his own.

[TheAviator]

Agreed. Not sure what Norris did to deserve less than Max and Lewis, either, or why Perez is rated so lowly for a sterling recovery drive after being put to the back through no fault of his own.

Got outqualified by Ric in his first race in McL.

 

I actually like these scores, neither Max nor Lewis were 10, and last year every time either of the two won it was "10/10/10...". 

[Gambelli]

I'm a Ricciardo fan and I think maybe a 7 would suffice?  Yes he did a good job in qualy, raced hard and fair on lap 1, didn't really lose places to anyone other than Perez and his own team mate, which is reasonable.... hmmm, not sure, I guess 7 or 7.5 are probably both okay, he held on to 7th I guess.

 

Oh, glad there was no 10/10's issued.....

Edited by Gambelli, 29 March 2021 - 09:31.

[jpm2019]

Bottas drove a very good race. I think on pace he was very very close to Max and Lewis. He lost some seconds at the start, bad pitstop and an extra pitstop. 

[Marklar]

the-race with a new rating system, and it's hilarious
 

 

 

This year, in an attempt to utilise a wider range of scores, we have recalibrated the scoring to make 5 out of 10 an average mark and therefore indicative of a decent drive given the high standard of drivers in F1.

Hamilton 10
Bottas 5.5
Perez 6.5
Verstappen 9
Ricciardo 7
Norris 8.5
Vettel 2
Stroll 6.5
Alonso 7.5
Ocon 4
Leclerc 8.5
Sainz 6
Gasly 2.5
Tsunoda 6
Raikkonen 4.5
Giovinazzi 5
Mazepin 1
Schumacher 4
Latifi 3
Russell 7.5

I dont know everyone thoughts but it feels to me that this rating system strays away too much from the rest, so I dont know if I should include this in future overviews. Thoughts?

[shure]

I'd have given Alonso an 8, tbh, maybe even an 8.5.  Difficult to see what else he could have gotten from that car.  Bottas maybe 7 - he drove an average race and didn't do anything of note, but he wasn't terrible, either.  I think Vettel's score is a little harsh as he drove a fairly decent race but for his one brain fade, but can see it if there's a zero mistake tolerance approach!

 

Another positive vote for me on the lack of 10s...

[TheAviator]

the-race with a new rating system, and it's hilarious
 

Hamilton 10
Bottas 5.5
Perez 6.5
Verstappen 9
Ricciardo 7
Norris 8.5
Vettel 2
Stroll 6.5
Alonso 7.5
Ocon 4
Leclerc 8.5
Sainz 6
Gasly 2.5
Tsunoda 6
Raikkonen 4.5
Giovinazzi 5
Mazepin 1
Schumacher 4
Latifi 3
Russell 7.5

I dont know everyone thoughts but it feels to me that this rating system strays away too much from the rest, so I dont know if I should include this in future overviews. Thoughts?

Sainz 6? Bottas 5.5? Wow that is harsh. Sainz botched the qualifying, yes, but he had a very good (apart from strolling into Stroll).

 

Bottas, apart from being only a tenth ahead of Lec in qualifying had a solid race. 

 

I'd say 7 would be fair for both.

Edited by TheAviator, 29 March 2021 - 09:38.

[Astandahl]

the-race with a new rating system, and it's hilarious
 

Hamilton 10
Bottas 5.5
Perez 6.5
Verstappen 9
Ricciardo 7
Norris 8.5
Vettel 2
Stroll 6.5
Alonso 7.5
Ocon 4
Leclerc 8.5
Sainz 6
Gasly 2.5
Tsunoda 6
Raikkonen 4.5
Giovinazzi 5
Mazepin 1
Schumacher 4
Latifi 3
Russell 7.5

I dont know everyone thoughts but it feels to me that this rating system strays away too much from the rest, so I dont know if I should include this in future overviews. Thoughts?

The idea isn't stupid, but the execution is.

[shure]

the-race with a new rating system, and it's hilarious
 

Hamilton 10
Bottas 5.5
Perez 6.5
Verstappen 9
Ricciardo 7
Norris 8.5
Vettel 2
Stroll 6.5
Alonso 7.5
Ocon 4
Leclerc 8.5
Sainz 6
Gasly 2.5
Tsunoda 6
Raikkonen 4.5
Giovinazzi 5
Mazepin 1
Schumacher 4
Latifi 3
Russell 7.5

I dont know everyone thoughts but it feels to me that this rating system strays away too much from the rest, so I dont know if I should include this in future overviews. Thoughts?

it seems a bit....out there.  And yes, if they have a system which deviates significantly from others then it will just skew the averages so while it's interesting to see for comparison purposes I think maybe leave it out of the amalgamated scores?

[baku]

the-race with a new rating system, and it's hilarious
 

Hamilton 10
Bottas 5.5
Perez 6.5
Verstappen 9
Ricciardo 7
Norris 8.5
Vettel 2
Stroll 6.5
Alonso 7.5
Ocon 4
Leclerc 8.5
Sainz 6
Gasly 2.5
Tsunoda 6
Raikkonen 4.5
Giovinazzi 5
Mazepin 1
Schumacher 4
Latifi 3
Russell 7.5

I dont know everyone thoughts but it feels to me that this rating system strays away too much from the rest, so I dont know if I should include this in future overviews. Thoughts?

To be honest, these rating seem pretty accurate to me.

[Frood]

I've been a proponent of this system for a while - I think I've even made a couple of posts here about it. It seems silly to me that a 7 becomes the average on a scale of 1 to 10 so I think this is a good idea.

Of course, this system would require a 10 to be an absolute legendary drive for the ages, so I'm not sure handing out a 10 in this system should be quite so easy. Hamilton put in a fine drive yesterday but it wouldn't be a 10 under this system I wouldn't have thought. That's just me though.

Edited by Frood, 29 March 2021 - 09:45.

[statman]

gee what a surprise, that 10 from Straw... 

[masa90]

What a crap rating from the race. Just no sense. That rating from racingnews is Ok apart from clear biase against Bottas.

[masa90]

Like for example, Kimi drove pasta Fernando on track with a worse car and h gets 3 points lower rating? Just as an example.

[Draurelian75]

the-race with a new rating system, and it's hilarious
 

Hamilton 10
Bottas 5.5
Perez 6.5
Verstappen 9
Ricciardo 7
Norris 8.5
Vettel 2
Stroll 6.5
Alonso 7.5
Ocon 4
Leclerc 8.5
Sainz 6
Gasly 2.5
Tsunoda 6
Raikkonen 4.5
Giovinazzi 5
Mazepin 1
Schumacher 4
Latifi 3
Russell 7.5

I dont know everyone thoughts but it feels to me that this rating system strays away too much from the rest, so I dont know if I should include this in future overviews. Thoughts?

 

Hmm, just make a separate ranking based on this and use all others for the annual one you keep for ages?

Scoring system is too different to try mix-it with the established one

[Laster]

I do quite like using the full extent of the numbers with 5/6 being considered an average result where normally a 7 is considered average by those who make these things with no one ever scoring less than 4. I’m not sure it will fit with the averages of the other ratings though, and a lot of people are used to the scores being usually around 7 or 8, no doubt many will think it harsh when someone gets a 5 or 6 for a incident free steady race.

Seeing Mazepin getting a 1 does makes it worth it though!

Edited by Laster, 29 March 2021 - 09:48.

[ensign14]

a new season means a new topic which will of course lead to strange ratings across various media outlets. Some more respectable than others.

 

First rating is in

 

 

Racingsnews365:

 

Mazepin: 2

 

Spun repeatedly in qualifying, qualified last, crashed on corner 3.

 

There's always the thing that "even the worst of them is a professional racing driver and miles and miles better than the average road user", but I almost literally could not have done worse.  I doubt I would have crashed by the third corner because I would be uber cautious on a GP debut.

 

OK, I wouldn't have qualified within 107%.  But that at least would have meant an undamaged car.

 

Anything more than 0 for Mazepin makes a nonsense of the idea that 5 would be average.  It was probably the worst F1 WC GP debut in the history of the championship.  There are only two possible worse candidates and they at least both outqualified some others.

[renzmann]

The idea isn't stupid, but the execution is.

I agree, I even like the idea, but I don't agree with the points given.

 

Through its new system, the race highlights the difference between drivers more than other ratings. This'll give the race more weight when putting the ratings together. That's bad, but I think we can't leave out the race. Maybe account for the inconsistency by multiplying the numbers by some factor <1?

[NixxxoN]

Like for example, Kimi drove pasta Fernando on track with a worse car and h gets 3 points lower rating? Just as an example.

Alonso had brake issues and went backwards until retirement

[uzsjgb]

I dont know everyone thoughts but it feels to me that this rating system strays away too much from the rest, so I dont know if I should include this in future overviews. Thoughts?

 

To me it makes more sense, than the other systems, which are actually not 1-10, but rather 3-10. Has Autosport ever given a 1 or a 2? It's like "driver manages to find his car" = +1 point, "driver manages to exit the pits without hitting anything" = +1 point. An "average" drive is mostly a 7, making the average Formula 1 driver better than the average Formula 1 driver (who would have a 5).

[MrAerodynamicist]

Spun repeatedly in qualifying, qualified last, crashed on corner 3.

There's always the thing that "even the worst of them is a professional racing driver and miles and miles better than the average road user", but I almost literally could not have done worse. I doubt I would have crashed by the third corner because I would be uber cautious on a GP debut.

OK, I wouldn't have qualified within 107%. But that at least would have meant an undamaged car.

Anything more than 0 for Mazepin makes a nonsense of the idea that 5 would be average. It was probably the worst F1 WC GP debut in the history of the championship. There are only two possible worse candidates and they at least both outqualified some others.

I think it's fine to keep zero in reserve for running over your pitcrew or crashing in to someone deliberately.

[Bleu]

In early 2000s I recall Autosport giving normal ratings but one driver given zero.

[Grayson]

Has Autosport ever given a 1 or a 2?

 

You're going to enjoy this week's ratings from Autosport!

 

Edit - I was just reading this week's ratings from Autopsort and was wondering when the last time was before this week that a driver was given 1/10...

Edited by Grayson, 29 March 2021 - 10:19.

[Maisteri]

Hmm, just make a separate ranking based on this and use all others for the annual one you keep for ages?

Scoring system is too different to try mix-it with the established one

 

I don't understand why Kimi got 4.5 while he once again kicked the **** out of Giovinazzi who managed to get a 5? Russell 7.5 finishing only ahead of Vettel and Schumacher?

[Grayson]

the-race with a new rating system, and it's hilarious

 

I dont know everyone thoughts but it feels to me that this rating system strays away too much from the rest, so I dont know if I should include this in future overviews. Thoughts?

 

I think it still makes sense to include it in the the overview, unless they change their philosophy mid-season. They're still measuring the same thing using the same 1-10 range so if they're being internally consistent across the year then comparison still make sense. It just means that what we usually consider an "average" 7/10 drive will be a 6.5 when you average AS, AMUS, Sky and The Race's 5/10.

 

I suppose the counterargument is that The Race will have a bigger influence on the average if their driver ratings are a bit more varied and the others are only making a one point distinction between good and excellent... But if Autosport are prepared to give Mazapin's Bahrain GP a 1/10 then that might not be much of an issue!

Edited by Grayson, 29 March 2021 - 10:28.

[jAnO76]

the-race with a new rating system, and it's hilarious
 

I dont know everyone thoughts but it feels to me that this rating system strays away too much from the rest, so I dont know if I should include this in future overviews. Thoughts?

a) toss out
b) get the average of the other ratings, compare with 5, apply correction... would lead to 11's perhaps (or minus 1's more likely)  so.... goto a

Edited by jAnO76, 29 March 2021 - 10:33.

[Timorous]

the-race with a new rating system, and it's hilarious
 

Hamilton 10
Bottas 5.5
Perez 6.5
Verstappen 9
Ricciardo 7
Norris 8.5
Vettel 2
Stroll 6.5
Alonso 7.5
Ocon 4
Leclerc 8.5
Sainz 6
Gasly 2.5
Tsunoda 6
Raikkonen 4.5
Giovinazzi 5
Mazepin 1
Schumacher 4
Latifi 3
Russell 7.5

I dont know everyone thoughts but it feels to me that this rating system strays away too much from the rest, so I dont know if I should include this in future overviews. Thoughts?

 

Upto you but you could normalise it by having The-Race 5 = everywhere else 7.

[Vesuvius]

the-race with a new rating system, and it's hilarious

Hamilton 10
Bottas 5.5
Perez 6.5
Verstappen 9
Ricciardo 7
Norris 8.5
Vettel 2
Stroll 6.5
Alonso 7.5
Ocon 4
Leclerc 8.5
Sainz 6
Gasly 2.5
Tsunoda 6
Raikkonen 4.5
Giovinazzi 5
Mazepin 1
Schumacher 4
Latifi 3
Russell 7.5

I dont know everyone thoughts but it feels to me that this rating system strays away too much from the rest, so I dont know if I should include this in future overviews. Thoughts?

These are very different than others, so I would drop them.

[statman]

Sportskeeda

 

Hamilton: 9.5

Verstappen: 9

Norris: 8.5

Leclerc: 8.5

Raikkonen: 8

Ricciardo: 7.5

Sainz: 7.5

Tsunoda: 7.5

Stroll: 7.5

Russell: 7.5

Perez: 7

Ocon: 7

Alonso: 6

Giovinazzi: 6

Schumacher: 6

Bottas: 5

Gasly: 4

Latifi: 4

Vettel: 3

Mazepin: 2

[Astandahl]

Sportskeeda

 

Hamilton: 9.5

Verstappen: 9

Norris: 8.5

Leclerc: 8.5

Raikkonen: 8

Ricciardo: 7.5

Sainz: 7.5

Tsunoda: 7.5

Stroll: 7.5

Russell: 7.5

Perez: 7

Ocon: 7

Alonso: 6

Giovinazzi: 6

Schumacher: 6

Bottas: 5

Gasly: 4

Latifi: 4

Vettel: 3

Mazepin: 2

 

[timmy bolt]

Again very harsh of Bottas. He did well.

[Nemo1965]

 

Anything more than 0 for Mazepin makes a nonsense of the idea that 5 would be average.  It was probably the worst F1 WC GP debut in the history of the championship.  There are only two possible worse candidates and they at least both outqualified some others.

 

What I always wonder about... suppose there was no telemetry available for certain drivers to look at... would they een qualify for some races? I have no idea how good, average or bad Mazepin is... but it seemed to me that every time he was in a kind of new situation, he spun...

 

What I meant to say is: there have been drivers who did worse than Mazepin did, because at least he stayed with the 107 percent rule. But...what if...

[CountDooku]

the-race with a new rating system, and it's hilarious

Hamilton 10
Bottas 5.5
Perez 6.5
Verstappen 9
Ricciardo 7
Norris 8.5
Vettel 2
Stroll 6.5
Alonso 7.5
Ocon 4
Leclerc 8.5
Sainz 6
Gasly 2.5
Tsunoda 6
Raikkonen 4.5
Giovinazzi 5
Mazepin 1
Schumacher 4
Latifi 3
Russell 7.5

I dont know everyone thoughts but it feels to me that this rating system strays away too much from the rest, so I dont know if I should include this in future overviews. Thoughts?

Not worth including if it’s so far out of whack with the others. It will also mess up the year on year comparisons which I’ve always found super useful.

[DeKnyff]

the-race with a new rating system, and it's hilarious
 

Hamilton 10

...

Russell 7.5

I dont know everyone thoughts but it feels to me that this rating system strays away too much from the rest, so I dont know if I should include this in future overviews. Thoughts?

 

Fine for me. A real 0-10 range is better than a 5-10 where some exceptions below 5 are allowed, but you never know when, how and why. The only thing I would change is that with a range from zero to ten, there is no need for "and-a-half" scores, integer numbers should be enough.

 

EDIT: and if you want to compare these ratings with other, past or present, just divide them into two and add five, so you have an equivalence.

Edited by DeKnyff, 29 March 2021 - 11:08.

[Frood]

Autosport

Hamilton 9
Verstappen 9
Bottas 7
Norris 9
Pérez 8
Leclerc 10
Ricciardo 7
Sainz 7
Tsunoda 9
Stroll 7
Räikkönen 7
Giovinazzi 8
Ocon 6
Russell 8
Vettel 3
Schumacher 5
Gasly 7
Latifi 6
Alonso 8
Mazepin 1

[TheAviator]

Autosport

Hamilton 9
Verstappen 9
Bottas 7
Norris 9
Pérez 8
Leclerc 10
Ricciardo 7
Sainz 7
Tsunoda 9
Stroll 7
Räikkönen 7
Giovinazzi 8
Ocon 6
Russell 8
Vettel 3
Schumacher 5
Gasly 7
Latifi 6
Alonso 8
Mazepin 1

Leclerc 10? For quali?? Makes 0 sense.

[PlayboyRacer]

Leclerc 10! I had him at 9, considering his outrageous qualifying lap and strong race. It wasn't a weekend of perfection however.

[Ivanhoe]

Ah well, we've seen plenty of exagerated 10's before, let Charles have one too. His Q3 lap alone was worth a 10.

[NixxxoN]

Leclerc finished 8 seconds in front of Sainz, considering he started 4 positions in front, thats worthy 1 extra point at most

And then Ric finished like 20+ seconds behind Norris, starting one behind the other on the grid, and yet the differente between them is 2 points. Nonsense from AS

Edited by NixxxoN, 29 March 2021 - 11:18.

[PlayboyRacer]

Leclerc finished 8 seconds in front of Sainz, considering he started 4 positions in front, thats worthy 1 extra point at most

I must say I'm glad many see Leclercs weekend far different to you. Perhaps there is something in that, might be worth taking the blinkers off and adding some context to your assessment.

[geralt]

Yeah I wouldn't include the race in the aggregated scores anymore tbh, I can already imagine they'll skew things so much

[NixxxoN]

I must say I'm glad many see Leclercs weekend far different to you. Perhaps there is something in that, might be worth taking the blinkers off and adding some context to your assessment.

I have my opinion, you have yours...

Sainz messed up in his final qualy lap but he recovered in the race to finish very close, how is that worth 3 points difference, enlighten me

[Astandahl]

Autosport

Hamilton 9
Verstappen 9
Bottas 7
Norris 9
Pérez 8
Leclerc 10
Ricciardo 7
Sainz 7
Tsunoda 9
Stroll 7
Räikkönen 7
Giovinazzi 8
Ocon 6
Russell 8
Vettel 3
Schumacher 5
Gasly 7
Latifi 6
Alonso 8
Mazepin 1

[PlayboyRacer]

I have my opinion, you have yours...
Sainz messed up in his final qualy lap but he recovered in the race to finish very close, how is that worth 3 points difference, enlighten me

Maybe because Leclerc qualified the car higher than it's level... then raced it higher than its level. Beating Ricciardo and literally hanging with Norris for 80% of the race, both driving superior McLarens.

Sainz did none of that.

[dweller23]

the-race with a new rating system, and it's hilarious
 

Hamilton 10
Bottas 5.5
Perez 6.5
Verstappen 9
Ricciardo 7
Norris 8.5
Vettel 2
Stroll 6.5
Alonso 7.5
Ocon 4
Leclerc 8.5
Sainz 6
Gasly 2.5
Tsunoda 6
Raikkonen 4.5
Giovinazzi 5
Mazepin 1
Schumacher 4
Latifi 3
Russell 7.5

I dont know everyone thoughts but it feels to me that this rating system strays away too much from the rest, so I dont know if I should include this in future overviews. Thoughts?

Raikkonen and Ricciardo aside, it seems accurate to me.

[Retrofly]

This is the best topic of the season, it never fails to deliver.

[NixxxoN]

Maybe because Leclerc qualified the car higher than it's level... then raced it higher than its level. Beating Ricciardo and literally hanging with Norris for 80% of the race, both driving superior McLarens.

Sainz did none of that.

If you think so... whatever

Dont get me wrong, I think Charles is a great driver. He did really well in qualy, but in the race, compared to Sainz... not at all