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[ARTGP]

Not that it really matters. This one https://www.formule1.nl/ . It doesn't really matter. You have to admit that Dutch people are very assertive and most of the time very confident people. That is nothing new right? It is a stark contrast with how Belgians are.

 

generalizations.

[Bliman]

generalizations.

Oh come on . It is like I am saying something new. Of course, not everybody is like that. Surely I shouldn't explain that. Are you Dutch? I didn't know it would be so controversial.

[Nemo1965]

I am quite an avid and critical follower of the Dutch press, because of my career in it and my current profession. And my take: the Dutch believe Max is the best driver in F1. Most of them, including the most respected pundits. Very few believe, though, he would blast away Lewis in the same car (as Piquet senior said). Regarding Max chances of winning the championship: even after Bahrain most commentators (in print and on Telly) said: it is looking good. But let us not get our hopes up too much. There was always this caveat.

The Dutch press was never really so smitten or arrogant with their sports personalities as, say, in Brazil or Italy. But even with soccer, the tone has even become a bit...subdued. I remember that before the World Cup in 1990, there were songs and t-shirts how Team Orange would win the World Cup. Those days are over. I would be amazed if there is any official merchandise of Max staking a claim for the title in 2021.

Back to the race: at least in the official Dutch broadcast the mood was rather careful. Before the race, Ronald Doornbos, Tom Coronel and Olav Mol said: it is going to be a 3rd place, hopefully. So after the race, the mood was rather relieved. IMHO.

Edited by Nemo1965, 03 May 2021 - 21:49.

[Bliman]

I am quite an avid and criticial follower of the Dutch press, because of my career in it and my current profession. And my take: the Dutch believe Max is the best driver in F1. Most of them, including the most respected pundits. Very few belief he would blast away Lewis in the same car (as Piquet senior said). Regarding Max chances of winning the championship: even after Bahrain most commentators (in print and on Telly) said: it is looking good. But let us not get our hopes up too much.

The Dutch press was never really so smitten with their sports personalities as, say, in Brazil or Italy. But even with soccer, the tone has even become a bit...subdued. I remember that before the World Cup in 1990, there were songs and t-shirts how Team Orange would win the World Cup. Those days are over. I would be amazed if there is any official merchandise of Max staking a claim for the title in 2021.

Back to the race: at least in the official Dutch broadcast the mood was rather careful. Before the race, Ronald Doornbos, Tom Coronel and Olav Mol said: it is going to be a 3rd place, hopefully. So after the race, the mood was rather relieved. IMHO.

Yeah sorry, all for the offtopic and if I generalized too much. And yeah I remember how confident they were with their football. And I also know that the Dutch press can be ruthless with their sportsmen. And I know they are not so confident with their football anymore (to me they are climbing up the ladder just fine by the way). I like it more than the Belgian press who is many times pretty negative.

Before I always looked in the magazine but with Covid I rarely go to bookstores so I haven't read it in a year.

Thanks for the explanation and I think you are spot on.

Again sorry if I generalized too much. I certainly know that you can't generalize everyone in that way.

Edited by Bliman, 03 May 2021 - 21:59.

[gillesfan76]

Is that not just your latent fear that the Merc may prove to be the stronger car over the season...

 

Sure, labelling Lewis the GOAT is a bit of a subjective wind up really.  But then so would labelling him as merely a 'very good racer'. F1 has a long history with many greats.  Hamilton is one among them, but there is no definitive way to pick out one alone.

 

Good spot on the strength of Hamilton's teammates.  I don't recall him shying away from any battles with them.  Close fights bring out the best in him.

 

After some years of Mercedes domination, the narrative has become so ingrained into some people, that even when they see Red Bulls and Mercedes fighting for pole, trading places back and forth (and front wing end plates!) during on track overtakes, crucial strategy calls with places won and lost in the pits, with mistakes of lock ups and slides, with one finishing in P2 just 4 seconds shy of the winner after 66 laps, it all goes whooosh completely past their eyes and cognitive function and they continue relying on repressed memories repeating ad infinitum how the Mercedes is a dominant car yet again.

[fed up]

After some years of Mercedes domination, the narrative has become so ingrained into some people, that even when they see Red Bulls and Mercedes fighting for pole, trading places back and forth (and front wing end plates!) during on track overtakes, crucial strategy calls with places won and lost in the pits, with mistakes of lock ups and slides, with one finishing in P2 just 4 seconds shy of the winner after 66 laps, it all goes whooosh completely past their eyes and cognitive function and they continue relying on repressed memories repeating ad infinitum how the Mercedes is a dominant car yet again.

For some maybe, but not for most. For me for example, I don’t see Max as a strong enough challenge over the course of a season to Lewis. He is a good driver and maybe he’ll become a great in the future, but he is too inexperienced at this stage of his career and the fact that he’s never challenged for a WDC before counts against him, especially against Lewis. 
 

Now, once Max gets his first WDC he’ll get many, many more, it’s just the first that’ll be his biggest hurdle, and the risk of burnout. 

[Paco]

For some maybe, but not for most. For me for example, I don’t see Max as a strong enough challenge over the course of a season to Lewis. He is a good driver and maybe he’ll become a great in the future, but he is too inexperienced at this stage of his career and the fact that he’s never challenged for a WDC before counts against him, especially against Lewis.

Now, once Max gets his first WDC he’ll get many, many more, it’s just the first that’ll be his biggest hurdle, and the risk of burnout.

Why would he get more then one just cause he got one? There’s Charles in a very similar performance std, a few think Russell can as well.. Norris sparking of DR is boding well for him if he keeps it up.

There’s no guarantee he will get one, let alone multiples. Is is ahead of that group, I don’t even think Max is overall better then Charles. Both need time at the front to home in their mistakes.

Lewis can and will continue to be at the front if Mercedes keep making competitive cars like they did this year, even it’s not the best but 2nd best package.

Edited by Paco, 04 May 2021 - 14:27.

[gillesfan76]

For some maybe, but not for most. For me for example, I don’t see Max as a strong enough challenge over the course of a season to Lewis. He is a good driver and maybe he’ll become a great in the future, but he is too inexperienced at this stage of his career and the fact that he’s never challenged for a WDC before counts against him, especially against Lewis. 
 

Now, once Max gets his first WDC he’ll get many, many more, it’s just the first that’ll be his biggest hurdle, and the risk of burnout. 

 

I’m struggling to see any relevance of your reply to my post. I wasn’t even talking about Max vs Lewis. Or Max and potentially becoming a WDC. All I’m saying is the cars are close, while some are pretending that the Merc is still dominant. Maybe you simply intended to reply to someone else’s post and mistakenly clicked on mine?

[Ivanhoe]

There are hardly posts of fed up where he doesn't talk about Max. You'd almost think he's a fan.