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[krapmeister]

Maybe it depends on what Nigerian channel you watched yesterday but the one I tuned in on looked to have taken it's signal from Foxtel (AUS)/Sky (NZ). The amount of ads was conpletely ridiculous, and they didn't even seem to sync with when the US would have been going to an ad break either - more like they had their own ad timings and then took the opportunity to just show more ads when the US went to the break.

The frustrating thing was it was nothing more than ads for other Foxtel/Sky shows. So can't even use the excuse of getting money from paying advertisers to explain it.

This experience has absolutely torpedoed for me any thought of getting Foxtel in the future.

Edited by krapmeister, 17 May 2021 - 07:48.

[Muppetmad]

Let me know if want any tips on how to fail picks for the 500. I’m getting good at it.

Don't worry: I've epically failed my picks for the 500 ever since we started doing the fantasy league (2016, wasn't it?) 

[Frood]

Indy is usually where my fantasy season starts to get into gear

You just need to go off-strategy!

[jcbc3]

Maybe it depends on what Nigerian channel you watched yesterday but the one I tuned in on looked to have taken it's signal from Foxtel (AUS)/Sky (NZ). The amount of ads was conpletely ridiculous, and they didn't even seem to sync with when the US would have been going to an ad break either - more like they had their own ad timings and then took the opportunity to just show more ads when the US went to the break.

The frustrating thing was it was nothing more than ads for other Foxtel/Sky shows. So can't even use the excuse of getting money from paying advertisers to explain it.

This experience has absolutely torpedoed for me any thought of getting Foxtel in the future.

 

This is also the VIAPLAY model in Denmark.

[pacificquay]

Sky Sports in the UK shows it ad-free

[Muppetmad]

Indy is usually where my fantasy season starts to get into gear

You just need to go off-strategy!

That's what they want you to do though! Off-strategy in IndyCar becomes on-strategy, so then you get punished for it!

 

[Rinehart]

When will Veekay get an onboard cam? So sad we are missing most of those overtakes onboard.

TV direction was all over the place, cutting away moments before overtakes, not showing the midfield pack dissing it out and in general missing the action.

Yup I could see on the timing screen a number of close battles during the race but there was just hours of the lead car circling on its own.

On another note, anyone know why did Scott Mac lost so much time in the pit stops???

[DS27]

Monday morning blues when you check your Fantasy team result, convinced Veekay was in your team, only to realise you swapped him out for Harvey.

[krapmeister]

Sky Sports in the UK shows it ad-free

Well if any Nigerian broadcasters are reading this, please take your signal from Sky UK next time - not Sky NZ

[DS27]

On another note, anyone know why did Scott Mac lost so much time in the pit stops???

 

 

I think it's been a common theme where he loses quite a bit of time on cold tyres after the stops. I'm putting it down to inexperience and him playing it a bit safe rather than risking a accident / non-finish, as he's a sensible lad and knows every lap completed is good experience for him.

[Red5ive]

Maybe it depends on what Nigerian channel you watched yesterday but the one I tuned in on looked to have taken it's signal from Foxtel (AUS)/Sky (NZ). The amount of ads was conpletely ridiculous, and they didn't even seem to sync with when the US would have been going to an ad break either - more like they had their own ad timings and then took the opportunity to just show more ads when the US went to the break.

The frustrating thing was it was nothing more than ads for other Foxtel/Sky shows. So can't even use the excuse of getting money from paying advertisers to explain it.

This experience has absolutely torpedoed for me any thought of getting Foxtel in the future.

 

 

Whining about the quality of an illegal stream - entitled much ?

[krapmeister]

Whining about the quality of an illegal stream - entitled much ?

No I am not whining about the quality of the stream at all, it was fine - great even. I am whining about the quality of the content though. Different things entirely, and frankly out of the Nigerian broadcaster's hands. I am grateful for their service 👍

If I was watching that on free to air TV I wouldn't be happy either, though having ads is usually part of the compromise you make - though this was at a level that was intrusive. Unfortunately it isn't possible to watch Indycar on FTA here in Australia. But if I had paid Foxtel/Sky NZ to serve me up that garbage they'd be getting a complaint too.

I have been giving thoughts to signing up to Foxtel's Kayo sports streaming service but after watching that then no way.

Edited by krapmeister, 17 May 2021 - 09:50.

[SenorSjon]

loki, do you truly think explaining how anything is done in the U.S., particularly television, will lead to understanding and stop the whinging? I've considered it, but figure it's a lost cause 

 

Well, it gives some insight why we full-coverage viewers are watching the Indy skyline instead of the race. But we can track your ads, the timing tower disappears every time it happens only to reappear when your ads are over. And it happens quite a lot (and it was mind-boggingly slow last week and didn't have the scrolling feature past the top 15 anymore). The live timing updates every 10 seconds or so, giving half the field a lap down when the leader passes s/f but the rest hasn't yet.

[jonpollak]

Sky Sports in the UK shows it ad-free

And it’s wonderful.
During those breaks we either get in-car with track audio or lovely sweeping helicopter shots ( which I love ) and audio from the PA.
We heard from Dave Colabro that there was no penalty given after the start and later saw all the action, pits and passes, y’all missed.

Now the trick we need is to get someone over here streaming THAT feed.... it’s not too difficult ya know.
Any gamers in the house?

Thanks to Prommer for the op-ed

PS.. Question: if you buy the top tier Peacock that says it’s ‘ad free’ do you still get ads?

Jp

[w1Y]

You reckon if F1 adopted this, there would be less traffic issues?

This is actually a really good point and worth f1 considering

[BRG]

Who’s Chris Hoy?
Jp

It's SIR Chris Hoy.  I believe he was knighted for coming 17th in the 2016 Le Mans 24 Hours.

[sblick]

Good day at the track.  Didn't look like there was much of a dent in attendance from previous races.  Ticket checkers and many people out with signs to remind you to wear masks in seats.  They were not talking to people just had signs.  Once you were out of your seats and roaming around it was 50 50 whether people we re wearing masks or not it seemed.  Plenty of space between fans in the seats.  Looks like they opened up al little more of the speedway to keep fans apart.  Would not let anyone roam the infield grass mounds.  We chanted for rain, but alas did not get it.  We thought rain would make for interesting last 10-15 laps.  Which leads to an interesting question, who would be the IndyCar rain meister?

[maximilian]

And it’s wonderful.
During those breaks we either get in-car with track audio or lovely sweeping helicopter shots ( which I love ) and audio from the PA.
We heard from Dave Colabro that there was no penalty given after the start and later saw all the action, pits and passes, y’all missed.

Now the trick we need is to get someone over here streaming THAT feed.... it’s not too difficult ya know.
Any gamers in the house?

Thanks to Prommer for the op-ed

PS.. Question: if you buy the top tier Peacock that says it’s ‘ad free’ do you still get ads?

Jp

 

I got the cheapo Wrestling Peacock deal for 4 months, and saw zero ads during practice and qualy.  The commentators even kept on commentating during the "breaks".

 

Still hate greatly that the races aren't shown LIVE on Peacock.  It makes NO sense, and is an outrage.     

[FLB]

Grosjean's pole lap:

 

[red stick]

Monday morning blues when you check your Fantasy team result, convinced Veekay was in your team, only to realise you swapped him out for Harvey.

I never had Veekay, but went with Harvey on past performance, qualifying, and the general consensus that this is his track.  Sigh.  

 

Wait 'til next year . . .

[red stick]

Good day at the track.  Didn't look like there was much of a dent in attendance from previous races.  Ticket checkers and many people out with signs to remind you to wear masks in seats.  They were not talking to people just had signs.  Once you were out of your seats and roaming around it was 50 50 whether people we re wearing masks or not it seemed.  Plenty of space between fans in the seats.  Looks like they opened up al little more of the speedway to keep fans apart.  Would not let anyone roam the infield grass mounds.  We chanted for rain, but alas did not get it.  We thought rain would make for interesting last 10-15 laps.  Which leads to an interesting question, who would be the IndyCar rain meister?

Based on past performance on this very track (sticking to a theme   ), you'd have to think Pagenaud, for one.  

[red stick]

I got the cheapo Wrestling Peacock deal for 4 months, and saw zero ads during practice and qualy.  The commentators even kept on commentating during the "breaks".

 

Still hate greatly that the races aren't shown LIVE on Peacock.  It makes NO sense, and is an outrage.     

I'm not even directly paying for Peacock--it's evidently part of some other package in my byzantine cable/internet/telecommunications arrangements.  I woke up one morning and had it.

 

Kind of like that Friends episode where Joey and Chandler suddenly have cable porn . . .

 

But its coverage is extraordinary, and I know I'll find a way to keep it when all race coverage eventually migrates this way.

[jonpollak]

Ok so how long after the live races does Peacock put them up?
Jp

[Izzyeviel]

Grosjean's pole lap:

 

 

why is the timing line not on the start/finish line?? 

[SenorSjon]

So you can box right after setting a laptime. It also makes the outlap shorter. Very smart rule.

[sblick]

Makes the in lap shorter too 

[Stephane]

and you only need two laps on track

[loki]

I got the cheapo Wrestling Peacock deal for 4 months, and saw zero ads during practice and qualy.  The commentators even kept on commentating during the "breaks".

 

Still hate greatly that the races aren't shown LIVE on Peacock.  It makes NO sense, and is an outrage.     

The network wants to push the viewers to the local affiliates.  AFAIK it’s a “must air” as part of the affiliate agreement.  They want you to see those ads.  Peacock quals and practice are ad free but if you catch the NBCSN quals coverage it’s delayed, edited for time and airs ads.

 

For F1 everything but the race is airs ads on ESPN.  The reason there are no ads on the race is it’s an F1 time buy and they come up with the agreements with sponsors like Mother’s for coverage.  FOM is paying ESPN to air it so they don’t need to make money from ads.  OTOH NBC pays IMS/ICS to air the coverage though in terms of money it’s really for the 500.  The rest are basically thrown in and as IMS does the production in house the production cost structure is a bit different.

[Jim Thurman]

Prommer, you've really got to quit misunderstanding my points    I absolutely agree with you, but there are reasons why it is the way it is. loki and I aren't defending the practice, just attempting to explain how it is what it is. Isn't this the place where I post the meme of the little girl going "Why Not Both?" I understand the kids like the memes 

 

I also realize the internet is all about pissing and moaning and whin(g)ing. But, when it is consistently from folks who don't understand that the U.S. model is commercial broadcast television and that we don't have a mother Beeb, that's when it becomes comically laughable. That's the part that you, and they, miss. That British TV also has adverts on other networks (hello, ITV anyone?) makes it all the more silly. Again, in Britain, they've had the long existing model of placing the ads (adverts) between shows, not during. That isn't how it's done here. Again, it's not an endorsement, or saying that I like the number of ads, it's just an understanding of it and knowledge about it. See loki's post on time buy and local affiliates.

 

And you're using Twitter to illustrate this point of dissatisfaction with all the ads? Twitter!!!? Yeez!  Twitter is as great a source of gaging outrage as Wikipedia is for reliable information 

 

There's more, like why Rutledge Wood is there, the focus on Jimmie Johnson, the NFL, etc., but it's an ever recurring trope...I guarantee it comes up again the next race, like militarism, religion, etc., etc., etc.

[Jim Thurman]

Who’s Chris Hoy?

 

British, of course.  I know who he is, but I wonder how many Brits know who Marty Nothstein is? 

[PayasYouRace]

Prommer, you've really got to quit misunderstanding my points    I absolutely agree with you, but there are reasons why it is the way it is. loki and I aren't defending the practice, just attempting to explain how it is what it is. Isn't this the place where I post the meme of the little girl going "Why Not Both?" I understand the kids like the memes 

 

I also realize the internet is all about pissing and moaning and whin(g)ing. But, when it is consistently from folks who don't understand that the U.S. model is commercial broadcast television and that we don't have a mother Beeb, that's when it becomes comically laughable. That's the part that you, and they, miss. That British TV also has adverts on other networks (hello, ITV anyone?) makes it all the more silly. Again, in Britain, they've had the long existing model of placing the ads (adverts) between shows, not during. That isn't how it's done here. Again, it's not an endorsement, or saying that I like the number of ads, it's just an understanding of it and knowledge about it. See loki's post on time buy and local affiliates.

 

 

The problem is you two think we don't understand what's going on. So your explanations simply come across as condescending.

[Risil]

I 100% don't understand what's going on with Rutledge Wood.

[FLB]

Prommer, you've really got to quit misunderstanding my points    I absolutely agree with you, but there are reasons why it is the way it is. loki and I aren't defending the practice, just attempting to explain how it is what it is. Isn't this the place where I post the meme of the little girl going "Why Not Both?" I understand the kids like the memes 

 

I also realize the internet is all about pissing and moaning and whin(g)ing. But, when it is consistently from folks who don't understand that the U.S. model is commercial broadcast television and that we don't have a mother Beeb, that's when it becomes comically laughable. That's the part that you, and they, miss. That British TV also has adverts on other networks (hello, ITV anyone?) makes it all the more silly. Again, in Britain, they've had the long existing model of placing the ads (adverts) between shows, not during. That isn't how it's done here. Again, it's not an endorsement, or saying that I like the number of ads, it's just an understanding of it and knowledge about it. See loki's post on time buy and local affiliates.

What was the airline commercial I seem to remember at the end of the CART races on ABC in the late 1980s - early 1990s? The one that was shown right after the blue Ohlmeyer Communications Company card?

 

United, maybe?

 

[loki]

The problem is you two think we don't understand what's going on. So your explanations simply come across as condescending.

I don’t think many here don’t understand it.  By the comments and replies it’s obvious they don’t get it. 

[loki]

I 100% don't understand what's going on with Rutledge Wood.

That’s a pretty big club my friend.  

[red stick]

NASCAR. Wood is there to comfort the stock car crossover. I know I've typed this before . . .

[red stick]

Think of him as chicken soup for the tintop oval crowd.

You know, folks like Brani, only decidedly more domestic.

Edited by red stick, 17 May 2021 - 23:34.

[GlenWatkins]

So you can box right after setting a laptime. It also makes the outlap shorter. Very smart rule.

Also eliminates the cool down lap.

[loki]

NASCAR. Wood is there to comfort the stock car crossover. I know I've typed this before . . .

I figured one of the producers lost a bar bet…

[jonpollak]

The problem is you two think we don't understand what's going on. So your explanations simply come across as condescending.

Not condescending at all. To draw that impression is to misinterpret the exasperation felt. However if your lot DO understand and still spout outrage that’s even worse.

Jp

[BRG]

British, of course.  I know who he is, but I wonder how many Brits know who Marty Nothstein is? 

I guess the cycling fraternity probably do.  But how many Brits know who Jason Queally is?   And he's British.

[red stick]

Pruett wraps up the GP.  On to the 500!

 

https://racer.com/20...ndy-gp-edition/

[Jim Thurman]

Not condescending at all. To draw that impression is to misinterpret the exasperation felt. However if your lot DO understand and still spout outrage that’s even worse.

 

Thank you jp. You crystalized my thoughts and expressed them perfectly 

[jonpollak]

The internet is such a narrow conduit for concise communication . It rarely offers the correct interpretation of someone’s train of thought. Hence these defensive and misbegotten replies.

Jp