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#1 Risil

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Posted 17 May 2021 - 22:30

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Every year, the Indy GP comes and goes. And every year, I am taken by surprise at how quickly they clear up the marbles, block off the road course, reverse the track direction and get the track ready for the high speed Indy rectangle. Meta-commentary aside, it’s the Indy 500!!one

Do you remember last year’s event? I only remember the end because the closed-doors event was held on my Dad’s birthday and I only got home in time to see Oliver Askew crashing his way out of the race and also a promising Indycar career. However you’ll probably remember that the race resolved into a three-way battle between previous one-time winners Scott Dixon, Takuma Sato and Alexander Rossi, which became two after Rossi got a penalty for bad pit etiquette and then crashed, which became a second Indy 500 for the Tokyo-born quadragenarian after he out-ran Dixon until another Young American, this time Spencer Pigot, had a big crash and ended the race under a caution.
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That was the first Indy 500 held under Roger Penske’s watchful eye, although under few others because they locked everyone out. That’s going to change this year though! Give thanks to whichever god or saint oversees vaccinations, because the grim pandemic situation in the USA has un-grimmed to the extent that IMS will open its doors to 135,000 fans, which obviously won’t look like very many people but is equivalent (in some ways) the population of Watford.
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So in brief, what are we looking out for this fortnight? Chip Ganassi’s boys – at least, his two favourite sons, Scott Dixon and Alex Palou – look like 2021’s drivers to beat. Indy is about nothing if not the huge cast of others aiming to beat the favourites, or at least stay on the same lap as them, and this year, none of the four closest points chasers to the Ganassi pair have won the Indy 500 before. Josef Newgarden has come closest, losing to Carlos Munoz on the line for the A-strategy 2016 race in which both were beaten by B-strategy’s Alex Rossi. Graham Rahal was the lesser end of a Rahal-Letterman-Lanigan 1-3 last 500, but has been having a strong if embattled start to the year, and outsiders Pato O’Ward and Rinus Veekay have (very) recently picked up debut wins in the series. O’Ward even did it on an oval!
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So much the drivers upon whom 2021 has smiled sweetest. Driven by vengeance and inadequacy are the drivers who have received, at best, indifference from the MMXXI. They include Will Power, most experienced Penske driver yet the lowest-ranked in points, Takuma Sato, winner of last year’s big race but with a best finish so far of sixth at St Pete, Felix Rosenqvist, who desperately needs his career racing for Sam Schmidt, Zak Brown and Arrow Electronics, Incorporated to begin, and the Andretti Autosport regulars (that’s Colton Herta, Alex Rossi, Ryan Hunter-Reay, James Hinchcliffe, in that order), who in one way or another all falling short of their individualized expectations.
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The wildcards? If you wanted to find out how Juan Pablo Montoya (McSchmidt), Helio Castroneves (Meyer Shank), Sage Karam (Dreyer and Reinbold), Santino Ferrucci (Rahal), Simona de Silvestro (Paretta) and Tony Kanaan (Ganassi) are doing these days, you’ve come to the right place! They’ll have a week of testing to get up to speed, but some of them already are. After Cody Ware’s semi-inevitable drop-out, we’ve got a 35-car field. Simona in the Paretta car and RC Enerson for the Top Gun Motorsports team represent the two outfits with the least experience, so practice will be crucial for them to find enough speed to avoid the early trip down I-465 to Indianapolis International.
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Of course, qualifying at Indy pays out some points (9 for pole, 8 for second etc), so this assessment may have all changed long before the green flag drops. Besides, it’s amazing what pole at Indy will do to all the nay-saying naysayers, at least temporarily.

So, when’s it all happening? Same as usual. We start with the somewhat patronizing but probably quite useful rookie practice for the race’s three beginners (Enerson, Scott McLoughlin and Pietro Fittipaldi, cursed to fill in for Romain Grosjean for all eternity) on Tuesday, and then it’s laps laps laps until Saturday afternoon, when it’s properly timed laps for proper qualifying runs. The business end of qualifying – Fast 9 determining the front of the grid, the Bump session for determining the rear – is on Sunday, then it’s a long old break for drivers to fulfil their sponsor duties before we reconvene on Friday for Carb Day, and Sunday for big race. Unless it’s rained out, which it won’t be.

Tuesday, 18 May
10am-2pm: Rookie orientation
3-6: Practice 2

Wednesday, 19 May
12 noon-6pm: Practice 3

Thursday, 20 May
12 noon-6pm: Practice 4

Friday, 21 May
12 noon-6pm: Practice 5

Saturday, 22 May
9.30am-10.30: Practice 6
12 noon-6pm: Qualifying

Sunday, 23 May
11am-12 noon: Practice 7
1pm-2.30: Bumping (final row qualifying)
2.30-4.30: Fast 9 qualifying
4.30-7: Practice 8

Monday 24 May-Thursday 27 May
Start thread for race
Watch old Indy 500s?

Friday, 28 May
11am-1pm: Carb Day practice

Saturday, 29 May
Empty. I think MotoGP's at Mugello.

Sunday, 30 May
9am: Race broadcast start
12.20pm: Race

OK! Fill this thread with your idle speculation, keen observations and really anything else that your web trawling has thrown up. Photos, personal reportage, reminiscence and references to IMS Radio and 1070 The Fan strongly encouraged, and I mean strongly. Here we go!

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#2 FLB

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Posted 17 May 2021 - 22:36

Opening Day.

 

 

Anywhere else, it’s called free practice, but not here. This is different. A day where everybody is starting on equal ground. Everybody with their hopes and dreams. Their highs and lows. Their bank accounts and their reputations still intact.

 

We are at a place where ghosts roam freely. Where you can close your eyes and imagine Harlan Fengler, a former driver from the 1920s, fedora hat and all, telling a future F1 World Champion where he can turn in with his Brabham. And an exasperated Jochen Rindt telling him, ‘Ja Mr. Finger. No Mr. Finger. Now may I go, Mr. Finger?’, but still willing to go through it all because The Pay Will Be Good, if things work out.

 

A place where history and technology meet. Where Big Money does not guarantee success.

 

 

This is the month of May at the Indianapolis Motor Speedway.


Edited by FLB, 17 May 2021 - 23:28.


#3 Collombin

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Posted 17 May 2021 - 22:57

Fengler was more 1920s as a driver, he'd have been too old for the Boy Wonder moniker in the 1930s. I think he is one of the youngest race winners of all time, before Jimmy Davies and Marco Andretti and Graham Rahal etc etc came along.

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Posted 17 May 2021 - 23:28

Fengler was more 1920s as a driver, he'd have been too old for the Boy Wonder moniker in the 1930s. I think he is one of the youngest race winners of all time, before Jimmy Davies and Marco Andretti and Graham Rahal etc etc came along.

True. I've corrected it.

 

1923-27: https://www.driverdb...harlan-fengler/

 

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He's the man with the ubiquitous red fedora. Next to him are Parnelli Jones, Rodger Ward and Bobby Marshman. They were the front row starters for the 1962 500.


Edited by FLB, 17 May 2021 - 23:39.


#5 paulb

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Posted 17 May 2021 - 23:41

I am going to miss all pre-race sessions due to work and Amelia Island.

I will have to rely on you all for your singular combined prognostications and commentary. I greatly look forward to it.

The way this year has been going, my expectations are minimal. I am a sucker for underdogs so I hope that Paretta can field a solid car for Simona.

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Posted 18 May 2021 - 00:09

The Paretta car is a Penske rental.

 

Piece from the Indy Scar on the team/partnership.  Didn’t know it was called Force Indy though.

 

https://www.indystar...ies/7134028002/


Edited by loki, 18 May 2021 - 00:14.


#7 paulb

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Posted 18 May 2021 - 00:13

The Paretta car is a Penske rental.

That is a promising start.

#8 loki

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Posted 18 May 2021 - 00:20

That is a promising start.

It’s similar to a Meyer Shank and Andretti partnership.



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Posted 18 May 2021 - 02:12

@Indycar_Wxman

 

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#10 danmills

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Posted 18 May 2021 - 03:00

Are you from Watford by chance? A very particular place to pick!

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Posted 18 May 2021 - 05:36

Your bandwagoner's guide:

 



#12 Frood

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Posted 18 May 2021 - 08:49

You won't be able to miss Luciferucci.

https://mobile.twitt...473786368462852

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Posted 18 May 2021 - 09:07

Rossi for 2 or Satoooo for 3.



#14 PayasYouRace

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Posted 18 May 2021 - 09:14

You won't be able to miss Luciferucci.

https://mobile.twitt...473786368462852


Feels very Mexican. Like you’d expect Adrian Fernandez or Michel Jourdain to be driving it.

#15 alframsey

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Posted 18 May 2021 - 09:59

Probably not the right place for this but it is Indycar related.

 

I am a very very new fan to the series, I watched the race at the weekend (after watching a handful over the years before that) and it clicked, I really enjoyed it and I liked how the cars could race closer to one another than other series, how they move around more, all while still being quick.

 

So my question is this - where is there a thread for general Indycar talk, if there is one? A thread I can ask random questions about the series and the rules, the drivers and teams etc? I can't seem to find one.



#16 Risil

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Posted 18 May 2021 - 10:01

Probably not the right place for this but it is Indycar related.

 

I am a very very new fan to the series, I watched the race at the weekend (after watching a handful over the years before that) and it clicked, I really enjoyed it and I liked how the cars could race closer to one another than other series, how they move around more, all while still being quick.

 

So my question is this - where is there a thread for general Indycar talk, if there is one? A thread I can ask random questions about the series and the rules, the drivers and teams etc? I can't seem to find one.

 

Hi Alf,

 

This is the catch-all thread: feel free to post any random questions or observations there. It's what everyone else does!



#17 jonpollak

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Posted 18 May 2021 - 10:05

For you UK’ers with too much time on your hands this week.

SkyF1 is now covering All sessions EXCEPT the following....
(all times EDT)

Wed: 10-2
Sat: 9:30am Practice through the 1st Hr of qualifying.
Sun: 11am Practice through up until the last row shoot out and No post qualifying practice session (4:30-7pm)

Also,
As instructed by the codicil in the OP.
Superb oddball History of IMS ( Not The Donald but your best chance to hear him on a radio fly past this month )
https://omny.fm/show...aylists/podcast
It’s our own lotuspowerdbyford and the guy high up in Turn 3
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#18 jonpollak

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Posted 18 May 2021 - 10:07

And Welcome to the football coach of a historical nature.
Jp

#19 Risil

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Posted 18 May 2021 - 10:08

It's been a long time since Indy has seen any wingless wonders.



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#20 alframsey

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Posted 18 May 2021 - 10:12

Hi Alf,

 

This is the catch-all thread: feel free to post any random questions or observations there. It's what everyone else does!

Cheers Risil, I'll get reading and posting! Excited to get into this series now, I plan on watching the firs four races of the season on demand on SkyF1 to get a better feel.



#21 Collombin

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Posted 18 May 2021 - 10:14

For you UK’ers with too much time on your hands this week.

SkyF1 is now covering All sessions EXCEPT the following....


Sky Sports are annoyingly too generous in terms of the amount of NFL stuff they put on their free channel, meaning I can't quite justify the cost of subscribing as it would be purely for Indycar (gave up on F1 long ago). Still a close call though, especially in May.

#22 jonpollak

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Posted 18 May 2021 - 10:29

I doubt you’ll find any 500 programming on SSMix
Some folks here use NOW-TV for hit and run subscriptions.

Either way...
I’d say it’s worth it for the next 2 weeks.

Oh and Guess What...
Central Indiana weather forecast for today has changed again.

lol
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#23 Peat

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Posted 18 May 2021 - 10:34

The Paretta car is a Penske rental.

 

 

 

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#24 red stick

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Posted 18 May 2021 - 10:42

Track rental. Not truck
rental.  ;) Checking the proper
box online is key!

#25 paulb

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Posted 18 May 2021 - 11:28

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Great visibility and very likely to survive any on track carnage.



#26 Frood

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Posted 18 May 2021 - 11:30

I'm sure Simona would have outqualified Ware in that had he been entered.

#27 GlenWatkins

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Posted 18 May 2021 - 11:42

Great visibility and very likely to survive any on track carnage.

And would make a great drafting partner!

#28 maximilian

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Posted 18 May 2021 - 11:47

FINALLY another IndyCar something!   Can't wait!!  :love:  :love:

 

Thank you for starting this thread, Risil!  :up:



#29 maximilian

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Posted 18 May 2021 - 11:49

And would make a great drafting partner!

 

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#30 ANF

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Posted 18 May 2021 - 12:00

Good news: Looks like Indycar Radio will cover every session https://www.indycar....adcast-schedule



#31 red stick

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Posted 18 May 2021 - 12:40

Great visibility and very likely to survive any on track carnage.

It'd be a truck on a track.  Montoya might find it . . .



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Posted 18 May 2021 - 12:41

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How can the bridges never see them coming in that paint job??



#33 red stick

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Posted 18 May 2021 - 12:44

Robin Miller and Marshall Pruett on some things to look for heading into practice.

https://racer.com/20...t-to-watch-for/

Both are higher on Ed Carpenter, the man, not the team, than I think the evidence warrants. Kanaan should be quick. And the kids. Top Gun Racing likely to be disappointed. Honda and Chevy should be more equal this year--stay tuned for practice to find out.

Edited by red stick, 18 May 2021 - 14:24.


#34 maximilian

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Posted 18 May 2021 - 12:45

 

How can the bridges never see them coming in that paint job??

 

They should use the Menards yellow, maybe!

 

The Penske Trucks maintenance and repairs department must be getting pretty tired of seeing all these show up in their shop over and over!  :mad:



#35 red stick

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Posted 18 May 2021 - 12:45

 

How can the bridges never see them coming in that paint job??

Until the bridges are neon yellow . . .   :smoking:



#36 red stick

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Posted 18 May 2021 - 12:46

Great minds, etc.    :cool:



#37 Topsu

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Posted 18 May 2021 - 12:50

Grosjean won't be in this?



#38 Peat

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Posted 18 May 2021 - 12:54

Grosjean won't be in this?

 

Nope. But watch it anyway, it's rad!



#39 red stick

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Posted 18 May 2021 - 12:54

Grosjean won't be in this?

Not doing ovals, nor is Jimmie Johnson.  Pietro Fittipaldi is filling in for Grosjean on ovals, and Kanaan for Johnson at Ganassi.


Edited by red stick, 18 May 2021 - 13:04.


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Posted 18 May 2021 - 12:57

Grosjean won't be in this?

 

 

Nope. But watch it anyway, it's rad!

 

This is excellent advice!



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Posted 18 May 2021 - 14:01

As if on cue the torrential rain here in Reigate has abated and we have sunshine and the track feed from Sky

Live.

Veterans from 10-12 then only rookie/refresh from 12-3
Jp

Edited by jonpollak, 18 May 2021 - 14:02.


#42 jonpollak

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Posted 18 May 2021 - 14:02

Tiger McLaren!!!
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#43 jonpollak

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Posted 18 May 2021 - 14:09

Nice 4 wide photo op Roger.
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#44 Risil

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Posted 18 May 2021 - 14:18

Lots of TV shots of McLaughlin with engine cover off right now. Very cool we're getting so much coverage in the UK.

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Posted 18 May 2021 - 14:21

Oh well, looks like sky has jettisoned the NoAds policy.
Well it IS only practice.
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#46 red stick

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Posted 18 May 2021 - 14:26

Hinchcliffe demonstrating why he'll be excellent in the booth. Clear, concise. Knowledgeable about current cars.

Cf. PT.  ;)

Edited by red stick, 18 May 2021 - 14:32.


#47 loki

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Posted 18 May 2021 - 14:36

Nice doo Satan…



#48 jonpollak

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Posted 18 May 2021 - 14:38

Uuuhhhh captions anyone?
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#49 Risil

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Posted 18 May 2021 - 14:42

Don't know why Ferrucci's hiding the Amish beard he grew in the offseason.



#50 red stick

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Posted 18 May 2021 - 14:44

Don't know why Ferrucci's hiding the Amish beard he grew in the offseason.


Too off-brand?