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Poll: Red Flag rules in F1 Qualifying (200 member(s) have cast votes)

Should F1 do the following (you can vote for more than one option)

  1. Driver loses best laptime if they cause red flag (87 votes [43.07%])

    Percentage of vote: 43.07%

  2. Driver gets sent to the back of the grid if they cause a red flag (13 votes [6.44%])

    Percentage of vote: 6.44%

  3. Leave things as they currently are (102 votes [50.50%])

    Percentage of vote: 50.50%

If there's a red flag in the final two mins of a session, should more time be added?

  1. Yes (99 votes [49.50%])

    Percentage of vote: 49.50%

  2. No (101 votes [50.50%])

    Percentage of vote: 50.50%

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#1 f1paul

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Posted 22 May 2021 - 14:11

What a great qualy, albeit anti-climatic. But the first thing that came to my head when Charles Leclerc crashed was should F1 change the red flag rules in qualy?

 

In other racing series we see drivers sent straight back to the grid if they cause a red flag, we see drivers lose their best lap time too. Should F1 do this?

 

And another thing, should they add more time to allow other drivers to go back out after the red flag - a bit like in Formula E qualifying.



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#2 f1paul

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Posted 22 May 2021 - 14:11

For me. I'd like to see the driver who causes a red flag lose their best lap and then another three mins get added on so the other drivers get another chance.



#3 TheAviator

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Posted 22 May 2021 - 14:12

No because you have 2 runs so you better put banker in. Thats just reality of this sport, always was.

#4 Massa

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Posted 22 May 2021 - 14:13

Why losing his best time ? As if they are crashing on purpose. Ridiculous knee jerk reaction. **** happen especially at Monaco

#5 krapmeister

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Posted 22 May 2021 - 14:15

It's no Schumi @ Rascasse. Sh!t happens



#6 Laster

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Posted 22 May 2021 - 14:16

I quite like it when a red flag denies people who failed to put in a good banker lap (Hamilton and Perez today) so I’m perfectly fine with it not having qualifying extended.

I’m a little torn on what happens to the person who creates the red flag. Being sent to the back of the grid seems a bit harsh, but just having your best lap taken away may not necessarily be harsh enough on some weekends. Having all lap times deleted from that session leaving them 10th would be my preference.

#7 Augurk

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Posted 22 May 2021 - 14:16

Why losing his best time ? As if they are crashing on purpose. Ridiculous knee jerk reaction. **** happen especially at Monaco

Because it invites reckless or disingenuous driving. 

 

Voted for losing fastest lap for the driver causing a red flag (or yellow) whenever there's no time left to restart the session. 

No time added though. 



#8 SilverArrow31

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Posted 22 May 2021 - 14:16

I don't like what happened but there is nothing malicious about it, its part of the sport. I was actually surprised this was the first red, they were behaving themselves today



#9 masa90

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Posted 22 May 2021 - 14:17

S*** happens.

 

 

Some of you guys are acting like it was intentional. Clearly not. Maybe he will get pushed to pit start if the car damaged too much. Lets see.



#10 Misk

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Posted 22 May 2021 - 14:18

Was really rooting for Leclerc to get pole today. He's too good to be scrapping in the midfield. He obviously didn't do it on purpose but it feels fairly hollow now to me.


Edited by Misk, 22 May 2021 - 14:19.


#11 Okyo

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Posted 22 May 2021 - 14:19

Kinda think there are way more safer ways to cause a flag if he actually wanted to. Why risk a front row with something which might cause him to lose places due to a gearbox switch. 

Think it was just a desperate lap to extract something which wasn't there.



#12 TomNokoe

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Posted 22 May 2021 - 14:19

Superpole!

#13 GoldenColt

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Posted 22 May 2021 - 14:19

Rosberg did it much more elegantly.



#14 kumo7

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Posted 22 May 2021 - 14:19

It's no Schumi @ Rascasse. Sh!t happens

Well well,...



#15 Clatter

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Posted 22 May 2021 - 14:19

My main gripe is that they are allowed to repair the car penalty free under Parc Ferme conditions (unless gearbox or engine are replaced).

#16 Muppetmad

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Posted 22 May 2021 - 14:20

Unfortunate, but inevitable. It's the one race of the year where Ferrari will realistically have a chance for pole; Leclerc was on provisional pole; by the nature of the rules as they stand, he had every incentive to push it to the limit. I anticipated at the start of the session a Ferrari would end up in the wall, and am sad to have been proven right (because I'd have liked to have seen the final laps).



#17 shure

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Posted 22 May 2021 - 14:20

sigh.  Accidents happen, let's not get all knee jerk



#18 Dalton007

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Posted 22 May 2021 - 14:20

Something stinks.



#19 kumo7

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Posted 22 May 2021 - 14:20

planned!



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#20 Massa

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Posted 22 May 2021 - 14:21

Because it invites reckless or disingenuous driving.

Voted for losing fastest lap for the driver causing a red flag (or yellow) whenever there's no time left to restart the session.
No time added though.




Lol drivers almost never crash on purpose, risking a gearbox or engine. It's ridiculous and just sour grapes.

#21 SophieB

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Posted 22 May 2021 - 14:22

I’ve said for the last few incidents across various teams - if you crash at the end of qualifying on provisional pole and bring out yellow or red flags, you should lose your best time and be allowed to appeal if it happened because your gearbox spontaneously combusted or similar mechanical force majeure. Too much temptation otherwise for the provisional  pole sitter to take extra risks knowing the consequences will be only felt by those behind and, in rare cases, doing it on purpose.

 

(I do not believe Leclerc crashed on purpose.)



#22 masa90

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Posted 22 May 2021 - 14:23

In a way I wish I was so invested into the sports still to have the drive to find conspiracies and something extraordinary behind every single unnormal situation in f1. Be it a crash, strategy or whatever.



#23 BRK

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Posted 22 May 2021 - 14:23

Come on, there was absolutely nothing deliberate about that incident.

 

Definitely on the side of stupid, though, as I *think* at least a front row start was in the bag, if not pole. But Max also had his moments on his first lap, brushing the barriers and nearly locking up. I think it's just a function of how tight it was up front - at least 4 drivers were in with a shot of pole today. It happens! 


Edited by BRK, 22 May 2021 - 14:23.


#24 Marklar

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Posted 22 May 2021 - 14:23

It works well in IndyCar, dont see any reason why it shouldnt here.

Against adding extra minutes though, could be abused to aid a drivers team mate or something.



#25 SophieB

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Posted 22 May 2021 - 14:23

The above post of mine is a bit of a fib, I previously pointed out the problem, other people told me about how other series handle it better and now when it comes up, I say the same!



#26 SenorSjon

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Posted 22 May 2021 - 14:24

Why losing his best time ? As if they are crashing on purpose. Ridiculous knee jerk reaction. **** happen especially at Monaco


I love the IndyCar way:
Iirc
1) Timing line few corners before pit entry, reducing the inlap to a few corners
2) Cause a yellow: best time deleted
3) Cause a red: 2 best times deleted and forbidden to resume in that session.

Please, make it happen.

#27 Dratini

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Posted 22 May 2021 - 14:24

I like the idea of extra time being added. I'm not a fan of shifting drivers to the back of the grid, or some kind of variation of that. We may see an issue in which drivers keep too much in reserve, and also race control are quite trigger happy when it comes to deploying the red flag during qualifying.



#28 Shade

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Posted 22 May 2021 - 14:25

No. Leave it as it is. They get 2 tries at pole, years ago they only had 1 try. No need to change the rules every time something out of the ordinary happens.



#29 GunnarN7

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Posted 22 May 2021 - 14:25

He missed his line by quite a lot, that was not even close. Not saying he did it on purpose, but that is Monaco for you. A mistake that should've cost you greatly helps you secure pole.

 

But anyway, at least he did a very good first attempt as opposed to Carlos who's going to regret that poor S3 for a very long time. Who knows when we'll see Ferrari being this competitive again.


Edited by GunnarN7, 22 May 2021 - 14:26.


#30 Augurk

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Posted 22 May 2021 - 14:26

The whole point is to prevent drivers from profiting from their own mistakes whilst shafting others. 



#31 ThrottleBlib

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Posted 22 May 2021 - 14:27

Consequence is that LC is on pole, and it's between stupid and clever IMO. 

Not a Ferrari call, just a mistake. 

 

It's not as obvious as MSC, let's say.... 

Doesn't matter, pole at Monaco is crucial, but not deciding.



#32 PlayboyRacer

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Posted 22 May 2021 - 14:29

Very Bittersweet. He's likely ruined his race so it won't be a great weekend. And it had the potential to be just that.

He'll learn. Needs to dial things back from 110% to 100%. Once he does that he's going to be a beast. He's got crazy good talent and speed.

#33 Tiakumosan

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Posted 22 May 2021 - 14:29

Consequence -> mechanics working all day to rebuild the car.

#34 SophieB

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Posted 22 May 2021 - 14:31

@autosport

Leclerc: "If I was doing it on purpose, I would have done it a less bit hard! 

 
"For now I'm worried about the rear of the car, I hope it's OK, but it doesn't look OK." 


#35 sportyskells

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Posted 22 May 2021 - 14:31

Can I remind people Latifi did the same crash earlier in the day

#36 uzsjgb

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Posted 22 May 2021 - 14:32

Don't people like watching drivers driving at or over the limit? Isn't that what the sport is about? Why are people calling for rules which may stop drivers from doing just that?



#37 Clrnc

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Posted 22 May 2021 - 14:32

I think he had the intention but didn't expect it to crash so heavily. Rosberg did it much better.

 

Here's hoping his gearbox is fine so he can start on pole tomorrow



#38 Muppetmad

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Posted 22 May 2021 - 14:34

My position remains the same as it has done for quite some time now: the IndyCar system is best.



#39 Massa

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Posted 22 May 2021 - 14:36

The whole point is to prevent drivers from profiting from their own mistakes whilst shafting others.



And maybe his gearbox is gone.

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#40 oli4

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Posted 22 May 2021 - 14:44

Rosberg did it much more elegantly.

 

Such bad losers.



#41 TomNokoe

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Posted 22 May 2021 - 14:45

Can I remind people Latifi did the same crash earlier in the day


Leclerc's looked harder imo

#42 Casey

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Posted 22 May 2021 - 14:46

**** happens, leave it as it is .



#43 shure

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Posted 22 May 2021 - 14:49

Don't people like watching drivers driving at or over the limit? Isn't that what the sport is about? Why are people calling for rules which may stop drivers from doing just that?

this.

 

When drivers push to the limit, the chance of exceeding those limits increases.  We shouldn't jump to impose penalties at every opportunity because the net result is that caution will rule the day.  Who really wants that?



#44 MinardiSpeed

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Posted 22 May 2021 - 14:51

I say if you are pole sitter, intentional or not and you cause a yellow or red flag you get a 5 place grid penalty.



#45 Mat13

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Posted 22 May 2021 - 14:57

How often does this actually happen? Once every five years or so? Literally nothing needs to change.

#46 aliefbielefeld

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Posted 22 May 2021 - 14:58

I say if you are pole sitter, intentional or not and you cause a yellow or red flag you get a 5 place grid penalty.

 
I'm sorry but that's a pretty dumb idea



#47 greenman

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Posted 22 May 2021 - 15:02

I don't think he did it on purpose either, but this rule about deleting laptimes of those who cause yellow/red flags aren't just about preventing cheating. It's punishment in the same way that they already punish drivers for impeding other drivers. 5 place drop, deleting the fastest lap... either way seems fine. Maybe I'm just a little salty that the polesitter is somebody who had a session ending mistake (and I want Leclerc to do well otherwise), but I'd welcome this rule in an instant.

 

Same with the other Indycar rule of start/finish line for quali being before the pit entry.



#48 greenman

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Posted 22 May 2021 - 15:04

Don't people like watching drivers driving at or over the limit? Isn't that what the sport is about? Why are people calling for rules which may stop drivers from doing just that?

I do. In this case, somebody who went over the limit and crashed actually got rewarded in the end. I think that's why people are calling for rules (which already exist in other series)



#49 Jellyfishcake

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Posted 22 May 2021 - 15:06

I'm amazed so many people apparently seem to think he did it on purpose



#50 RogerStone

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Posted 22 May 2021 - 15:09

How often does this actually happen? Once every five years or so? Literally nothing needs to change.

 

I'd like people to name pole sitters that crashed late in session and secured pole...  other than at Monaco.    Good luck.