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#101 Marklar

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Posted 25 October 2021 - 18:23

This is so true! Should be a bunch of them, right?

Even in America. I remember Trevor Noah geeking like crazy when he attended this race a few years ago.

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#102 loki

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Posted 25 October 2021 - 20:42

F1 never learns; get 'celebrities' who are actually fans of the sport......not talentless people trying look good/ sell something. 

How about if the TV personalities respected people’s personal space when they didn’t want to talk?



#103 Dolph

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Posted 25 October 2021 - 21:43

Is there some kind of contract that requires celebs to speak to the media that I'm not aware of? Aren't they just VIP guest who get to access the grid because of their money? Why does that require them to speak to Brundle?

 

If there was a contract saying F1 was inviting these folks to make publicity for F1, then logically they would hold interviews as they would be in breech of contract otherwise.  Why do you think F1 drivers HAVE to give interviews post-race even when they are having a hissy fit?

 

I do not think the celebs with VIP access have any such contract in place. As far as I am aware, Megan the Stallion was a VIP guest of Red Bull racing, not Formula 1. 

 

It's perfectly fine for Brundle to ask for an interview, and it's perfectly fine for a celebrity to dismiss it, or engage it. I don't understand what the controversy is. While I get that there may a general disdain for "people with money", and I personally don't understand the world's obsession with putting people on pedestals as "celebrities" and concentrating wealth into single individuals, it doesn't really seem like there should be controversy here.

 

 

Finally we agree on smth  :up:



#104 Gambelli

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Posted 25 October 2021 - 21:46

Is there some kind of contract that requires celebs to speak to the media that I'm not aware of? Aren't they just VIP guest who get to access the grid because of their money? Why does that require them to speak to Brundle?

 

If there was a contract saying F1 was inviting these folks to make publicity for F1, then logically they would hold interviews as they would be in breech of contract otherwise.  Why do you think F1 drivers HAVE to give interviews post-race even when they are having a hissy fit?

 

I do not think the celebs with VIP access have any such contract in place. As far as I am aware, Megan the Stallion was a VIP guest of Red Bull racing, not Formula 1. 

 

It's perfectly fine for Brundle to ask for an interview, and it's perfectly fine for a celebrity to dismiss it, or engage it. I don't understand what the controversy is. While I get that there may a general disdain for "people with money", and I personally don't understand the world's obsession with putting people on pedestals as "celebrities" and concentrating wealth into single individuals, it doesn't really seem like there should be controversy here.

 

Thats a really fair take on it frankly



#105 r4mses

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Posted 25 October 2021 - 22:00

Even in America. I remember Trevor Noah geeking like crazy when he attended this race a few years ago.

 

He's South African though ;)



#106 OvDrone

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Posted 25 October 2021 - 22:19

I am shocked, SHOCKED because of that woman's ignorance ! 

 

How dare she not RAP at the command of the 1989 US GP 5th place grid starter like that ?

 

HOW dare she not indulge the World-renowned MARTIN BRUNDLE into the usual Sky F1 game of 'Max + Lewis @ T1' like all washups do...


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#107 Fastcake

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Posted 25 October 2021 - 22:53

I do enjoy Martin Brundle's regular piss takes of random celebrities. So there.

 

Honestly she doesn't seem THAT rude. It's more that her entourage were assholes. She waved to Martin when he introduced himself, she leaned to him to hear the question, she even hit the big guys hand when he tried to push Martin away. I got the feeling that as that were 10 people around her she didn't want to stop everybody, but that she probably would have stopped and talked had she been alone.

Who on earth is she to justify a massive entourage on the grid anyway? Usually anyone swanning around with a phalanx of bodyguards and lackeys has an air force, or is like Beyonce level famous (debates as to which is worse...). I genuinely have no idea who she is, not even in a it's not my thing but I know the name way.

 

Am I just old and the popular music scene is finally passing me by? :|



#108 r4mses

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Posted 25 October 2021 - 23:01

All this "Does F1 have an inferiority complex?" and some low rate 'celebs' on the grid in the garages etc would be way less of an issue if tv stations and people just ignored them. There's no need to walk up to someone you don't even know who he or she is. If they're shown during live broadcast, just ignore them - or complain about them being show or make fun of them just as Christian Danner sometimes did on German RTL. 

 

Well... now that I'm thinking about it... on the other hand, maybe the better strategy is to get them into cringeworthy conversations on world wide live TV to keep them away from F1 in the future. KEEP IT UP, Martin, Kai et al!  :p  



#109 RA2

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Posted 26 October 2021 - 01:30

I guess that was a great question by Martin, let someone ask an F1 driver at a red carpet event what a car sounds like.

#110 loki

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Posted 26 October 2021 - 02:46

I do enjoy Martin Brundle's regular piss takes of random celebrities. So there.

 

Who on earth is she to justify a massive entourage on the grid anyway? Usually anyone swanning around with a phalanx of bodyguards and lackeys has an air force, or is like Beyonce level famous (debates as to which is worse...). I genuinely have no idea who she is, not even in a it's not my thing but I know the name way.

 

Am I just old and the popular music scene is finally passing me by? :|

 

In the US MTS would need a bodyguard else she’d be swamped by fans.  She’s a well known personality.  Martin Brundle would not…



#111 klyster

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Posted 26 October 2021 - 03:49

Storm in  a teacup, MTS doesn't really need F1 to boost her viewership, just check out how many views her youtube channel gets compared to F1, not in the same league really. 



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Posted 26 October 2021 - 05:42

Honestly she doesn't seem THAT rude. It's more that her entourage were assholes. She waved to Martin when he introduced himself, she leaned to him to hear the question, she even hit the big guys hand when he tried to push Martin away. I got the feeling that as that were 10 people around her she didn't want to stop everybody, but that she probably would have stopped and talked had she been alone.

Utterily disgusting. The way that burger-bro bodyguard was pushing out cameraman is totally disrespectful. Somebody should teach them better manners.



#113 absinthedude

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Posted 26 October 2021 - 11:23

As I've said elsewhere in these hallowed forums, I had never heard the name "Megan Thee Stallion" before this morning. Watching the grid walk, she seems OK with Martin's approach. Even genuinely amused by the question of whether she had a rap for F1. It's the security goon who barges in who's the problem. 

 

Now ....did Ms. Stallion purchase a ticket or was she invited by FOM/Liberty/COTA? If the latter then there is reasonable expectation that she makes herself available to the media. It's quid pro quo...F1 gains exposure among people who recognise her and she gains exposure among F1 fans. Usually these celebrities at least have some interest in the event, though it's clear that some don't (Venus Willaims). She and her entourage ought to have been briefed that there would be media on the grid. I'm sure Martin wasn't the only one. And if there was a list of "unacceptable questions" then Martin should have been briefed. There's nothing unusual in what Martin did, he'd done his homework and knew who she was. Presumably he and the other media folk are indeed briefed about which VIPs are present. Martin knows how to deal with VIPs, he's mentioned having King Juan Carlos I on speed dial more than once. 

 

The villain of the piece here appears to be the security guy/bodyguard. Which in itself seems unusual on the F1 grid but perhaps Megan is important enough and royalty aren't. Everything was going fine until he barged in. Martin asked, Ms. Stallion engaged quite enthusiastically I thought, and her protector swooped in. 



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Posted 26 October 2021 - 11:33

As I've said elsewhere in these hallowed forums, I had never heard the name "Megan Thee Stallion" before this morning. Watching the grid walk, she seems OK with Martin's approach. Even genuinely amused by the question of whether she had a rap for F1. It's the security goon who barges in who's the problem.

Now ....did Ms. Stallion purchase a ticket or was she invited by FOM/Liberty/COTA? If the latter then there is reasonable expectation that she makes herself available to the media. It's quid pro quo...F1 gains exposure among people who recognise her and she gains exposure among F1 fans. Usually these celebrities at least have some interest in the event, though it's clear that some don't (Venus Willaims). She and her entourage ought to have been briefed that there would be media on the grid. I'm sure Martin wasn't the only one. And if there was a list of "unacceptable questions" then Martin should have been briefed. There's nothing unusual in what Martin did, he'd done his homework and knew who she was. Presumably he and the other media folk are indeed briefed about which VIPs are present. Martin knows how to deal with VIPs, he's mentioned having King Juan Carlos I on speed dial more than once.

The villain of the piece here appears to be the security guy/bodyguard. Which in itself seems unusual on the F1 grid but perhaps Megan is important enough and royalty aren't. Everything was going fine until he barged in. Martin asked, Ms. Stallion engaged quite enthusiastically I thought, and her protector swooped in.

Doubt anyone who has a grid pass will have bought their ticket. Does make me wonder if her goons would have pushed a driver out of the way so she could wander unhindered.

#115 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 26 October 2021 - 12:04

I think she was there representing Red Bull sponsor CashApp. There were some photos in the garage with her wearing their logo. Great PR though.



#116 absinthedude

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Posted 26 October 2021 - 12:20

I think she was there representing Red Bull sponsor CashApp. There were some photos in the garage with her wearing their logo. Great PR though.

 

fair enough. so the sponsors paid for her and her people to be there. That still leaves her appearing in a professional capacity and not as a private individual who's bought a ticket. There is expectation of interaction with the media. Which, to be fair to Ms. Stallion, she did. It was the bodyguard who barged in. Unless there was some briefing stating she's only to be asked one question, or not to be asked about the race, his actions seem rather odd. Even the media were so briefed, his manner of barging in seems inappropriate. 

 

I'm not at all understanding this whole "Brundle disrespected her" attitude. Even if his question is goofy (it seemed to make her genuinely amused) it wasn't rude. 



#117 mclarensmps

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Posted 26 October 2021 - 13:54

I actually don't think the issue was with the individual herself (I have no idea who she is), but rather her entourage. I didn't find anything wrong with her own response, she just kinda brushed it off and moved on. Her bodyguard, and the white dude were the ones trying to be all that on the other hand. 


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#118 absinthedude

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Posted 26 October 2021 - 14:23

I actually don't think the issue was with the individual herself (I have no idea who she is), but rather her entourage. I didn't find anything wrong with her own response, she just kinda brushed it off and moved on. Her bodyguard, and the white dude were the ones trying to be all that on the other hand. 

 

It was the white dude, who I take to be some sort of security. The big, black bodyguard took an interest until MTS patted him on the back as if to say "This is OK". The white dude barged Brundle out of the way right after he asked MTS if she was supporting any particular driver...saying he "couldn't ask" that. Which all seems very odd and over zealous. 

 

No issues from my POV with Brundle or Stallion. And like yourself, I had never heard "Megan Thee Stallion" until this morning. I didn't watch the pre-race build up or grid walk. And had never heard that name until now. She engaged with Martin in the polite manner that most celebrities do with media when appearing at a function. Which is exactly what she was doing. She wasn't there in capacity as a private individual, she was there for publicity...paid for by a sponsor (some bitcoin broker, I have been told). 



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Posted 26 October 2021 - 16:49

I actually don't think the issue was with the individual herself (I have no idea who she is), but rather her entourage. I didn't find anything wrong with her own response, she just kinda brushed it off and moved on. Her bodyguard, and the white dude were the ones trying to be all that on the other hand. 

 

To her credit she her own behaviour was not a problem. She seemed happy to talk to Martin. However, her entourage are presumably her responsibility, so I hope they got a strong rebrief afterwards.



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#120 JeePee

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Posted 26 October 2021 - 17:26

All this "Does F1 have an inferiority complex?" and some low rate 'celebs' on the grid in the garages etc would be way less of an issue if tv stations and people just ignored them. There's no need to walk up to someone you don't even know who he or she is.

But that's the whole point of this topic. F1 does show them, does walk up to them and does ask them stupid questions. To a point we've seen more Will Smith footage at an Abu Dhabi race once than the actual race itself. If TV stations (could) ignore it, this thread would be non-existant.



#121 hansmann

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Posted 26 October 2021 - 17:27

How about if the TV personalities respected people’s personal space when they didn’t want to talk?

 

Celebrities are people of public interest, that's how they make their money, it's why they get invited to events like that , and they usually get paid well to go there .

Either way they use it as a public appearance for their own benefit .

 

Being too ignorant to understand the grid walk and how it is presented, not knowing the most prominent F1 presenter and presumably anything else about the sport - that's the money-for-nothing mentality of a clueless child .

 

 

And what on earth is an MTF ?



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Posted 26 October 2021 - 17:30

The celebs are invited by Liberty/The teams for one thing - and it aint to have a nice day out at the races.  Of course its for publicity - on both sides. There may not be a contract but you cant tell me Megan Thee Stallion (!)  is an F1 fan there because she loves F1 and is a big RB follower.

 

Wouldnt surprise me if the TV people are nudged By F1 into asking for the interviews - although for me its just a piss take from Brundle most of the time - if he knows they arent into F1 - no doubt he thinks its bizarre and just wants to highlight their ignorance (in general and of the sport)

 

Theres a big difference between Megan and the genuine celeb fans like Lucas, Stiller, Rowan Atkinson etc



#123 ARTGP

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Posted 26 October 2021 - 17:34

But that's the whole point of this topic. F1 does show them, does walk up to them and does ask them stupid questions. To a point we've seen more Will Smith footage at an Abu Dhabi race once than the actual race itself. If TV stations (could) ignore it, this thread would be non-existant.

 

We colloquially say "F1", but it's not really "F1/FOM".   It's Sky, a British presenter. They have the broadcasting rights for some region. So they get to send somebody down on the grid (Brundle) with a TV pass, a mic, and camera guy.

 

Is this actually an "F1 as a whole" problem, or is it simply a "Brundle chasing down celebs who don't want to talk to him" problem?

 

I'm not aware of this having been a problem with the other broadcasters on the grid that day simply because I don't have access to those feeds.   I'm sure there was Spanish TV and others. The only event that seems to have gone noticed in the media is Brundle.



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Posted 26 October 2021 - 17:37

Wouldnt surprise me if the TV people are nudged By F1 into asking for the interviews - although for me its just a piss take from Brundle most of the time - if he knows they arent into F1 - no doubt he thinks its bizarre and just wants to highlight their ignorance (in general and of the sport)

 

Theres a big difference between Megan and the genuine celeb fans like Lucas, Stiller, Rowan Atkinson etc

 

I think it's a bit silly if Brundle's purpose is merely to "highlight ignorance". It's insulting. I could be a very wealthy nobody who got a ticket to the event and the grid walk. I'm entitled to be there as an invited guest or as a paying ticket holder whether I know a single thing or not about F1. And I shouldn't have a TV presenter down my throat trying to highlight my ignorance. 

 

 

 Visitors to the F1 grid shouldn't have to know a single thing about F1 beforehand. When has that been a criteria for being a guest? How can F1 invite new audiences if new audiences should also be mocked off the grid?


Edited by ARTGP, 26 October 2021 - 18:03.


#125 loki

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Posted 26 October 2021 - 17:39

I think she was there representing Red Bull sponsor CashApp. There were some photos in the garage with her wearing their logo. Great PR though.

I posted in the other thread but she’s involved far more in Cash App than Red Bull.  She’s got her own version of the app and they’ve been collaborating on promotions for a bit now.



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Posted 26 October 2021 - 17:50

We colloquially say "F1", but it's not really "F1/FOM".   It's Sky, a British presenter. They have the broadcasting rights for some region. So they get to send somebody down on the grid (Brundle) with a TV pass, a mic, and camera guy.

 

Is this actually an "F1 as a whole" problem, or is it simply a "Brundle chasing down celebs who don't want to talk to him" problem?

 

I'm not aware of this having been a problem with the other broadcasters on the grid that day simply because I don't have access to those feeds.   I'm sure there was Spanish TV and others. The only event that seems to have gone noticed in the media is Brundle.

F1.

 

The Martin Brundle story is just last weekend, but F1 has been 'suffering' longer from this. Last time at COTA it was Matthew Mcconaughey who got more screen time than some of the drivers.



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Posted 26 October 2021 - 17:57

F1.

 

The Martin Brundle story is just last weekend, but F1 has been 'suffering' longer from this. Last time at COTA it was Matthew Mcconaughey who got more screen time than some of the drivers.

 

 

Drivers typically have a million and one interviews throughout the weekend which are accessible to us.  Every single driver gave an interview during the driver float parade on Sunday, many in two languages, and most drivers DO NOT like to be twaddling about with interviews 30 minutes before they have to get into the cockpit and start a race.  I'm not sure you are viewing this with the appropriate context. 30 minutes before the race is not a time when I expect to see them giving interviews. They have many physical and mental task to complete before they get into the cockpit to start the race.

 

We have interviews after every session, after qualifying, and everybody gives one after the race. I think it's a complete illusion that somehow celebrities are getting more screentime than the drivers. Especially as we head into a 90 minute driver show.


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#128 Ross Stonefeld

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Posted 26 October 2021 - 18:18

 

 Visitors to the F1 grid shouldn't have to know a single thing about F1 beforehand. When has that been a criteria for being a guest? How can F1 invite new audiences if new audiences should also be mocked off the grid?

 

Leave those kind of people in the paddock club then. But I think the only people on the starting grid of a World Championship event should be in team uniforms.



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Posted 26 October 2021 - 18:22

I don't think somebody not wanting to talk is an issue (unless there is an agreement between them and Liberty).

I think the issue is the bodyguard - he acts like she's on the street needing protection.



#130 ARTGP

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Posted 26 October 2021 - 18:33

I agree, it was needlessly aggressive. 



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Posted 27 October 2021 - 00:59

Leave those kind of people in the paddock club then. But I think the only people on the starting grid of a World Championship event should be in team uniforms.

 

While I completely agree with you regarding whom SHOULD be on the grid, if I was a millionaire celeb, and an F1 fan, I would pay extra to get on the pre-race grid, to be as close the fully assembled cars as possible, just before lights out. 



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Posted 27 October 2021 - 03:36

I thought Brundle being blown off by "celebs" and doing his "witty comebacks" was part of his schtick ...

 

But that is as far as I can comment as I didnt see it - I generally dont watch anything pre-race anymore. 


Edited by jjcale, 27 October 2021 - 06:43.


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Posted 27 October 2021 - 03:48

Well one more comment - I dont get why we would even want to see interviews with random "celebs" .... most of them have nothing interested to say. Never seen an interview by Meg the Stallion (and only watched a video of one of her songs once to see what the fuss was about) but I have seen lots of Serena Williams interviews and I think she may have had something interesting to say maybe once. 

 

I dont think we missed anything by them not granting interviews. 

 

And as much as I hate to say it ... it sounds like there is a bit of subconscious "why is Lewis Hamilton so hated?" going on with the Massive Outrage... and maybe even on both sides of the interaction - the rude bodyguards and Brundle reportedly asking Megan if she would rap for him.... I suspect that if there was not a tiny bit of ... er... "social tension", they would have dealt with each other differently ... and, even if not, the outrage would not be quite so visceral. 

 

Hope no one gets too wound up by my last comment ... I am posting on a forum for adults and making my point sensitively.... so if you are wound up - that's on you.         


Edited by jjcale, 27 October 2021 - 03:49.


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Posted 27 October 2021 - 05:12

I agree with ARTGP, many celebrities probably aren't obligated to give interviews. It's supposed to be an F1 party, though, so it's not too much to ask to act like you somehow are more important than F1. At least say something like "I'm just a guest, enjoying my day off with some racing!".

 

Having said that, I thought Brundle's question towards that rapper was rather rude. If Nick Hornby was on the grid, would he have asked him to read a book about F1? The question showed he doesn't respect rap as an art form. Not exactly good manners either.



#135 Clatter

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Posted 27 October 2021 - 09:29

Celebrities are people of public interest, that's how they make their money, it's why they get invited to events like that , and they usually get paid well to go there .
Either way they use it as a public appearance for their own benefit .

Being too ignorant to understand the grid walk and how it is presented, not knowing the most prominent F1 presenter and presumably anything else about the sport - that's the money-for-nothing mentality of a clueless child .


And what on earth is an MTF ?

Of interest to some members of the public. I have no interest in them, and their presence at a sporting event is one I wished was ignored in favour of what I've actually tuned in to watch.

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Posted 27 October 2021 - 09:42

I agree with ARTGP, many celebrities probably aren't obligated to give interviews. It's supposed to be an F1 party, though, so it's not too much to ask to act like you somehow are more important than F1. At least say something like "I'm just a guest, enjoying my day off with some racing!".

 

Having said that, I thought Brundle's question towards that rapper was rather rude. If Nick Hornby was on the grid, would he have asked him to read a book about F1? The question showed he doesn't respect rap as an art form. Not exactly good manners either.

 

 

Not many in this forum care for rap



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Posted 27 October 2021 - 09:54

I thought Brundle being blown off by "celebs" and doing his "witty comebacks" was part of his schtick ...

 

But that is as far as I can comment as I didnt see it - I generally dont watch anything pre-race anymore. 

It was always a huge surprise if any of the celebs/ team guests that hung about on the grid had even the smallest bit of knowledge or interest in F1.  I've not watched any pre-race F1 coverage in a long time, but I can't remember any that could be construed as being fans as opposed to simply being there for the free ticket and to promote something of their own.

 

As for the latest hot topic, having seen it, it's not exactly the first time Brundle's on the hoof celeb interview attempts have failed and the 'celeb' in this instance seemed polite enough.  Perhaps F1/ teams should brief their guests better.  Going by past gridwalks I'm sure that some celeb interviews were even pre-arranged.



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Posted 27 October 2021 - 16:11

It was always a huge surprise if any of the celebs/ team guests that hung about on the grid had even the smallest bit of knowledge or interest in F1.  I've not watched any pre-race F1 coverage in a long time, but I can't remember any that could be construed as being fans as opposed to simply being there for the free ticket and to promote something of their own.

 

As for the latest hot topic, having seen it, it's not exactly the first time Brundle's on the hoof celeb interview attempts have failed and the 'celeb' in this instance seemed polite enough.  Perhaps F1/ teams should brief their guests better.  Going by past gridwalks I'm sure that some celeb interviews were even pre-arranged.

 

There are a number of "celebs" that go to multiple races - are racing and/or F1 fans and are knowledgeable  - then there are the rest.

 

As to the other post above - its clearly not just a Sky F1 problem as other than the grid walk - its the FOM feed that keeps showing the celebs wandering round the grid/pitlane or pretending to look interested during the race.


Edited by Red5ive, 27 October 2021 - 16:13.


#139 eibyyz

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Posted 27 October 2021 - 23:58

Not many in this forum care for rap

 

"Rap music" is an oxymoron.  That said, it requires skill and acumen.  Jay-Z, to [ick a name  didn't take any money out of my pocket, and the market always being right, he's earned everything he's gotten.  Similarly, I'm sure he doesn't stay up nights worrying about what I think of him.



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#140 jjcale

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Posted 28 October 2021 - 08:00

Not many in this forum care for rap

 

And? ... therefore?



#141 klyster

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Posted 28 October 2021 - 08:26

Not many in this forum care for rap

 

I do, so there's that.



#142 goldenboy

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Posted 09 December 2021 - 10:56

I quite like the tiny meat gang podcast, Noel is quite an F1 fan so it's interesting to see some biggish American youtubers talking about F1. Their takes are usually pretty funny  :rotfl: