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#1 Risil

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Posted 26 May 2021 - 20:59

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It’s MotoGP time! The final weekend of May finds us in the mountainous countryside midway between Bologna and Florence at the delightful and challenging circuit of Mugello. With the exception of the already-missed Brno, there aren’t many racing venues that compare to its long turns and fast esses, let alone its 220mph pit straight. Anyway, the circuit is back on the MotoGP calendar, having taken a year off in 2020 to save F1’s arse, and promises to deliver the usual mix of close racing, infuriatingly close Moto3 slipstreaming battles, and that rather dangerous approach into the first corner which makes you somewhat relieved when they’re packing up on Sunday evening and the worst has not happened.

 

But we’re getting ahead of ourselves. Here’s the schedule, which Dorna keep very consistent. No MotoE this weekend, and for that matter no live coverage on ITV, more’s the pity. Take an hour off to get the UK time, if that’s helpful.

 

Friday, 28 May

9am: Moto3 practice 1

9.55: MotoGP practice 1

10.55: Moto2 practice 1

1.15pm: Moto3 practice 2

2.10: MotoGP practice 2

3.10: Moto2 practice 2

 

Saturday, 29 May

9am: Moto3 practice 3

9.55: MotoGP practice 3

10.55: Moto2 practice 3

12.35pm: Moto3 qualifying

1.30: MotoGP practice 4

2.10: MotoGP qualifying

3.10: Moto 2 qualifying

 

Sunday, 30 May

8.40am: Moto3 warm-up

9.10: Moto2 warm-up

9.40: MotoGP warm-up

11: Moto3 race

12.20pm: Moto2 race

2: MotoGP race

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What’s going on in MotoGP land? It’s still a bit early to determine the shape of this year’s championship but in semi-contrast to last season a classic Yamaha vs Ducati fight is emerging, with the fast-turning, smooth-handling Japanese bike closely matched with the power and acceleration of Borgo Panigale’s machine. The Yamaha’s characteristics used to be considered “rider-friendly”, so it comes as a shock that there’s only one rider on their books, Fabio Quartararo, who can take it to the swarm of fast Ducati riders (in reality: three) who are bothering the top places. I say one Yamaha rider, but he can’t be that comfortable as he’s already opted for arm pump surgery to alleviate the strain of his death-grip on the bike’s handlebars. And I say three riders, because everyone’s favourite rider from Qatar, Jorge Martin, is still injured after his nasty fall in practice for April’s Portuguese Grand Prix. He’ll be replaced this weekend by the factory’s test rider, Michele Pirro, who is continuing his practice of turning up at the Italian rounds and getting into a minor points-scoring position before Gigi Dall’Igna drags him off to spend the next six months with him in hell. The others? Suzuki are competitive, but haven’t recaptured the tyre-whispering magic of 2020. KTM have vanished. Honda’s prospects are as always equivalent to those of Marc Marquez, and the eight-time world champion spent last race at Le Mans demonstrating that he still has the old talent, fire and indiscretion, but not yet the fitness. Two crashes and a non-score has left the deficit to first-in-points to look insurmountable, even with three-quarters of the season still to go.

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Is that a downbeat note? Well, Marc’s getting stronger, and perhaps angrier, all the time. Jack Miller’s won two Grands Prix in a row for the first time since April 2014. There are a lot of other riders who want to stop him getting his first ever three-in-a-row. It’ll be good. Promise!



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#2 Risil

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Posted 26 May 2021 - 21:03

Also this is cool, courtesy of Youtube: the 500cc class of the 1985 Nations Grand Prix from Mugello (in Spanish). I don't wish to give the game away but the gap between first and third may well be multiples of what the gap will be on Sunday between first and twentieth. But when you think about what they're riding it's not hard to see why. Also, Keith Huewen is in this one! And lesser known riders such as Spencer, Gardner (Wayne), Mamola, Lawson...

 

 

(Why did they call the Italian race the Nations Grand Prix? When did they stop?)



#3 Yamamoto

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Posted 27 May 2021 - 23:03

Prestige, I believe. Once upon a time the Nations Grand Prix designated the status of European Champion to its winner(s). The "Greatest driver of the past, the present and the future" won a couple of times. Once the world championship started it was traditionally the final round of the year. It became the Italian Grand Prix in either 1990 or 1991. In my mind, this is the blue-riband event of the year, I love this race. A gorgeous circuit in the Tuscan hills, where for a few short hours on a Sunday all is right with the world. Top of the motor races on my bucket list. Earliest memory of this race is Rossi beating Gibernau back in 2004 in a race stopped for rain before flag-to-flag was brought in the next year. 2005 and you had the Biaggi fans, the Ducati fans, the hoards of Rossi fans watching an Italian top four in the main race.

 

I don't know the weather forecast but it's been pretty damp in the Giro d'Italia for the last two weeks. Let's go for a Bagnaia victory this weekend.



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Posted 28 May 2021 - 07:52

I preemptively apologize to all fellow Indycar souls but I honestly don't know what I am looking forward to most - MotoGP at Mugello or the 500.

 

A year without the bikes at Mugello is pure blasphemy.



#5 Zoe

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Posted 28 May 2021 - 09:27

I just follow what's on TV  :)



#6 Risil

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Posted 28 May 2021 - 11:08

I love Mugello, it's one of MotoGP's truly distinctive circuits. The atmosphere when you're there is great too, although sadly not many fans will be in place this weekend.



#7 Ragingjamaican

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Posted 28 May 2021 - 11:56

Might be a dumb question, but what is flag to flag? I heard this in the last race in broadcasting, I'm assuming it's something to do with rain affected races.



#8 dissident

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Posted 28 May 2021 - 12:09

I love Mugello, it's one of MotoGP's truly distinctive circuits. The atmosphere when you're there is great too, although sadly not many fans will be in place this weekend.

Yeah, it's to MotoGP what Spa was to F1, IMO.



#9 Risil

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Posted 28 May 2021 - 12:39

Might be a dumb question, but what is flag to flag? I heard this in the last race in broadcasting, I'm assuming it's something to do with rain affected races.

 

Flag-to-flag refers to a rule change from 2005 where riders were permitted to come into the pits and change bikes while the race was going on. The race director has to give permission and it's almost always to allow the race to continue when weather conditions change, i.e. it rains mid-race, or if it starts wet and it dries out. It takes a long time to change a tyre on a MotoGP bike, especially compared to the length of the races (you do see regular tyre changes in endurance racing, and for medium-distance events like the Isle of Man TT and the Daytona 200-mile race). Before then, if it rained during a Grand Prix race they used to red flag it and restart with everyone on the correct tyres for the conditions. If it started wet and dried out (or for that matter got worse), I think riders were expected to just wobble along on the wrong tyres.

 

I believe the first flag-to-flag race was also at Le Mans, in 2007. Tbh I don't really like them, as the time gained or lost while riders are caught out on slicks in the rain normally decides the race, and there's no safety car in MotoGP to bring the riders closer together and cancel some of that advantage. I suppose opinions will vary but I think it's more luck than judgement about how well you do on the wrong tyres for the conditions.

 

The rule has also been used once or twice when the tyre supplier screwed up and brought a tyre that wouldn't last the whole race, essentially creating an F1-style mid-race pit stop. This famously happened during the 2013 Australian Grand Prix.



#10 dissident

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Posted 28 May 2021 - 13:03

The rule has also been used once or twice when the tyre supplier screwed up and brought a tyre that wouldn't last the whole race, essentially creating an F1-style mid-race pit stop. This famously happened during the 2013 Australian Grand Prix.

 

... where a certain japanese team also famously forgot how to count to 10. :lol:



#11 Risil

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Posted 28 May 2021 - 13:28

Well, it wasn't HRC exactly, if you believe the reports of Team Marquez freelancing their own strategy that day.



#12 Chubby_Deuce

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Posted 28 May 2021 - 16:19

 

I believe the first flag-to-flag race was also at Le Mans, in 2007

 

*Not looking it up*

 

Was this race also the only career win for a bucket-hatted Aussie on a bike featuring the best livery in MotoGP?

 

I've nothing to add to this thread aside from an observation that nobody puts racetracks in settings as beautiful as Italy. Bellissimo.



#13 OvDrone

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Posted 28 May 2021 - 17:44

I didn't think I could dislike Pol and/or anything HRC more, but here we go:

 

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Pol's helmet 'design' for this grand prix.

 

 

 

 

My soul aches with nausea.



#14 Seanspeed

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Posted 28 May 2021 - 18:54

I love Mugello, it's one of MotoGP's truly distinctive circuits. The atmosphere when you're there is great too, although sadly not many fans will be in place this weekend.

It's a fantastic track, but it's also so much like Brno in many ways.  



#15 Yamamoto

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Posted 28 May 2021 - 19:02

*Not looking it up*

 

Was this race also the only career win for a bucket-hatted Aussie on a bike featuring the best livery in MotoGP?

 

I've nothing to add to this thread aside from an observation that nobody puts racetracks in settings as beautiful as Italy. Bellissimo.

 

It was. The first flag-to-flag where the "you may change bike" signal was given was Portugal 2005, where Alex Barros won and no one actually came in, preferring to tiptoe round the last few laps. The first where I recall bike swaps was Australia 2006, won by Marco Melandri on another distinctive looking machine.



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Posted 29 May 2021 - 01:41

Not great signs by Marquez (I just learned that he was thinking of pausing again after Spain); pain seems to be preventing him from riding the way he used to. Early days, but the grey cloud about him not being able to reach his former level again still lingers. 

Good to see KTM better in the FPs; it was so disappointing to see them drop so much after last season. Is Morbido going to use a 2021 Yamaha this race?



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Posted 29 May 2021 - 06:07

Give Marc time. I think it's too early to tell and this is a healing process. It was only a matter of time until something unfortunate happened given his extreme approach. Dude needs to take it moment by moment as he's a human being at the end of the day.

Edited by OvDrone, 29 May 2021 - 06:08.


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Posted 29 May 2021 - 07:41

Mugello must be the hardest track for Marquez right now: so many fast corners & right/left bends where you have to be fast & confident in the change of direction, and he still isn't



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Posted 29 May 2021 - 09:24

Yamaha and Ducati flying, but Suzuki and KTM (that new fuel must be really good  :eek:) are not far off... And less than a second covering the top 19! 



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Posted 29 May 2021 - 09:33

The two greatest riders of the last 20 years are certainly in trouble. Rossi's issues look certain to bring his racing career to an end this year - watching a delayed FP3 and he's currently in 22nd. Sad to see his career ending this way. Gunitoli said on FP commentary yesterday that he's pretty certain the decision is made and they are just waiting to announce details for the new VR46 team before it becomes official.

 

Marquez shoulder is giving him real issues here and looks like the race will be a struggle for him.


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Posted 29 May 2021 - 09:35

KTM have a new chassis here which looks to have thrown them right into the mix again which is encouraging, and will make the fight at the front even better.

 

Honda look completely out of it so far.



#22 OvDrone

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Posted 29 May 2021 - 10:56

Suzuki might be close but again Mir is hollow when it comes to qualy. I am getting weary of this.

#23 Pete_f1

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Posted 29 May 2021 - 11:19

That was not a nice end to the Moto3 qualifying

#24 thegamer23

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Posted 29 May 2021 - 11:21

Missed it, what happened? 



#25 Disgrace

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Posted 29 May 2021 - 11:27

Horrible accident. Sasaki dropped it and got seemingly run over, he was knocked out and lying in the middle of the circuit.



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Posted 29 May 2021 - 11:29

Horrible accident. Sasaki dropped it and got seemingly run over, he was knocked out and lying in the middle of the circuit.

 

Just watched it, looks bad.

 

Fingers crossed  :(


Edited by thegamer23, 29 May 2021 - 11:31.


#27 krapmeister

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Posted 29 May 2021 - 11:31

Cripes... this doesn't look good.

#28 Disgrace

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Posted 29 May 2021 - 11:32

This looks really, really bad.



#29 Disgrace

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Posted 29 May 2021 - 11:35

Sorry, it was Dupasquier who lost it and is the main concern. I think he was hit square in the helmet by Sasaki.



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Posted 29 May 2021 - 11:37

Sorry, it was Dupasquier who lost it and is the main concern. I think he was hit square in the helmet by Sasaki.


That is what it kind of looks like - not good at all.

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Posted 29 May 2021 - 11:37

Hoping for the best for all involved, we never want things like this to happen...



#32 Viryfan

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Posted 29 May 2021 - 11:41

Helicopter within the track....

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Posted 29 May 2021 - 11:42

Maybe a stupid question, but could the fact everything is taking so long actually be a good sign? If his life was in danger, wouldn't they get him on the helicopter and to hospital much quicker?

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Posted 29 May 2021 - 11:45

Maybe a stupid question, but could the fact everything is taking so long actually be a good sign? If his life was in danger, wouldn't they get him on the helicopter and to hospital much quicker?

Could be . The lengthy time could be because of a back injury ? They would have to be very careful if that is the case. Plus they showed the replay which makes me think he was conscious. Fingers crossed for good news.



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Posted 29 May 2021 - 11:48

Could be . The lengthy time could be because of a back injury ? They would have to be very careful if that is the case. Plus they showed the replay which makes me think he was conscious. Fingers crossed for good news.


Dorna is agurably less cautious than FOM when it comes to replay or dealing with tragedy so i would not read onto that.

#36 Pete_f1

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Posted 29 May 2021 - 11:48

They wont take any chances with the neck. They will treat for the worst and hope for the best. Still very concerning.

#37 krapmeister

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Posted 29 May 2021 - 11:49

The riders really must hate having cameras in their face in this situation.

#38 Disgrace

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Posted 29 May 2021 - 11:50

Is that caption right? It suggests he has been taken to hospital already, but it looks like they are only now lifting him into the helicopter.



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Posted 29 May 2021 - 11:52

Watching BT Sport and they say he's been taken to the hospital but there's no report on his condition at the moment.



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#40 krapmeister

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Posted 29 May 2021 - 11:52

Yes that caption has been up for some time already

#41 Astandahl

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Posted 29 May 2021 - 11:53

They need to change Moto 3 quali format IMMEDIATELY.



#42 Disgrace

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Posted 29 May 2021 - 11:55

I think the caption is wrong. It took 40 minutes between crash and lifting him from the circuit.



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Posted 29 May 2021 - 12:02

Maybe there was a kind of 'error in translation'? Possibly it was meant to say 'being taken' or 'to be taken' rather than 'taken' which obviously wasn't correct at that time.

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Posted 29 May 2021 - 12:19

Yes took a while to get on the helicopter. Doesn't tell you much. Might well be a good sign that they took the time to properly stabilize him before flight instead of rushing.

#45 krapmeister

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Posted 29 May 2021 - 12:19

Rossi is done.

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Posted 29 May 2021 - 12:33

Several Italian sources quote Alcoba as saying he thinks he hit Dupasquier in the legs now.

#47 krapmeister

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Posted 29 May 2021 - 12:39

Wasn't it Sasaki that hit him first though?

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Posted 29 May 2021 - 12:40

Wasn't it Sasaki that hit him first though?

I thought Sasaki hit his bike but I could be wrong.



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Posted 29 May 2021 - 12:43

Rossi is done.

 

If anything should finally convince him to retire, being outside the top 20 around Mugello should do it.



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Posted 29 May 2021 - 12:45

I thought Sasaki hit his bike but I could be wrong.


He did but unfortunately I am pretty sure he hit Dupasquier first