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#1 Risil

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Posted 29 May 2021 - 22:50

Two weeks and one day after Rinus Veekay out-ran and out-strategied Romain Grosjean to win on the Indy road course, we're back again for a faster, scarier, more right-angled experience with the one-hundred-and-fifth running of the greatest remaining spectacle in racing! Time is short so we will stick to the basics: it's happening on Sunday with the green flag flying some time around 12.20pm EST. The pre-race show featuring, I dunno, Rutledge Wood wandering around the Eiteljorg Museum of Native and Western Art, starts on NBCSN that morning at 9am. The tape starts rolling on Sky Sports F1 at 3.45pm BST. That's an hour and a half of Lando Norris, potentially. Is that too much? This and many more questions, such as can Penske win from deep in the field, can Scott Dixon finally win a second champion's ring, can Ed Carpenter etc, will have to be answered, having no alternative, on Sunday!

 

Here's your starting grid:

 

Front row: Reigning series champion and 2008 Indy 500 winner Scott Dixon leads them round to the green flag, with a four-lap average of 231.685mph. Minimally slower in the pole shootout was Colton Herta, also Honda-powered but driving for Michael Andretti. Top Chevy is Hoofddorp's finest, Rinus Veekay, starting on the outside of the front row.

 

Second row: Two part-timers and a sophomore. Indycar's only driver/entrant (er, arguably Marco too) Ed Carpenter starts inside of row 2. His last good run was in the hot and passing-light 2018 edition, where he had a fleet of good cars but nothing for Will Power. 2013 winner and ziggurat-botherer Tony Kanaan starts fifth, and his Ganassi teammate Alex Palou rounds out the second row.

 

Third row: Ryan Hunter-Reay leads the third row in pleasingly familiar DHL colours. The 2014 winner lines up next to three-time winner Helio Castroneves, whose Andretti-linked Meyer-Shank entry gives him a shot at his first Indy victory since 2009. Huski Chocolate's Marcus Ericsson, Sauber trier in a previous life, starts ninth.

 

Fourth row: First driver who missed out on the Fast Nine shootout is Alexander Rossi, who won in 2016 on a clever fuel-conscious run and has been making up for it ever since with a series of eye-catching and daring drives. No second win yet but you wouldn't bet against him making his car work on restarts. He's next to returnee Ed Jones, reunited with the Coyne team who got him a third place finish in 2017, and McSchmidt's Pato O'Ward, who is not starting very close to the starter's gantry but is still the third-best qualifier from the Chevrolets.

 

Fifth row: Minor shocks: Grosjean stand-in Pietro Fittipaldi has put Dale Coyne's second car near his first, Felix Rosenqvist pulled off a similar feat for Sam Schmidt and McLaren's shareholders, and double winner Takuma Sato had an anonymous (for him) run to start fifteenth for Bobby Rahal and co.

 

Sixth row: The exact midpoint of the midfield contains Andretti's James Hinchcliffe, slowest once again of the four regulars, Scott McLaughlin, shockingly enough Penske's top qualifier, and Graham Rahal, who underlined a disappointing qualifying weekend for Rahal-Letterman-Lanigan.

 

Seventh row: Conor Daly starts on the inside, decently enough but several rows back from Ed Carpenter's other two entries, Lincolnshire's Jack Harvey and teammate-for-a-day to Helio Castroneves starts 20th, and Josef Newgarden, tipped to win by some presumably nervous Penske boosters, starts on the outside of row number seven. Seven is lucky, right?

 

Eighth row: Or is eight lucky? We'll all be lucky if these three do well: big characters J.R. Hildebrand (top Foyt), Santino Ferrucci (third Rahal) and Juan Montoya (two-time winner, but third McSchmidt) will be bouncing off each others' fame and notoriety, but have quite a bit of work to do. Tbh from this far back it would be a great result if these guys cracked the top ten.

 

Ninth row: I would call this the first row of the damned. Marco Andretti leads them round on the inside, 2019 winner and third Penske Simon Pagenaud starts in the middle, and Foyt's Sebastien Bourdais starts outside on this row. There's only one big name starting further back than these big names. But Sunday is for racing. Pagenaud in particular will be looking to make moves, if the conditions and strategy allow it.

 

Tenth row: The penultimate row contains three drivers who could conceivably (I'm not jinxing) be racing their last Indy, and in lotsa ways it's remarkable that they're here. Especially Stefan Wilson, who put together an Andretti ride (I'm not sure he races the rest of the year), but also Reigate's Max Chilton (ditto) and Canada's Dalton Kellett (ditto ditto). But they all outqualified two Penske cars. Which brings us to...

 

Last row: Sage Karam looked like he had a good car earlier in practice, but whether that was false confidence, or the speed vanished in qualifying trim, or perhaps it was just a good car compared to some of the others Sage has driven (sometimes briefly), he is leading the grid's tail end. Still, he's also outqualified two Penske cars: 2018 winner Will Power suffered the indignity of having to bump his way in through the last row shoot-out, as did Simona de Silvestro, who has a new owner (Beth Paretta) with a good car that had the misfortune of being a bad qualifying car. What can they hope to do from the back? Survive the first lap, initially.

 

And finally... make your fantasy picks.

 

And enjoy the racing! It's set to be a good one: not too hot and some patchy cloud cover. Zero percent chance of precipitation. That's what we want to hear!



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#2 FLB

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Posted 29 May 2021 - 22:58

Looking forward to see if this IndyCat can do as well as his rookie year.

 

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#3 FLB

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Posted 29 May 2021 - 23:02

After reading this, I'm now absolutely convinced Marhall Pruett reads this forum...  :rotfl:

 

Indy 500 driver intros…by animal | RACER



#4 paulb

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Posted 29 May 2021 - 23:35

After reading this, I'm now absolutely convinced Marhall Pruett reads this forum... :rotfl:

Indy 500 driver intros…by animal | RACER

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#5 paulb

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Posted 29 May 2021 - 23:37

Thanks for the OP, Risil.

Cheers to a quality, minimal incident race. And a Dixon victory. :D I will be catching you all here late in the race.

Edited by paulb, 29 May 2021 - 23:38.


#6 red stick

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Posted 30 May 2021 - 00:06

Anticipation sated.
Practice watched.
Qualifying endured.
Fantasy team chosen.
Bring it.

#7 GlenWatkins

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Posted 30 May 2021 - 01:32

Yes, thanks for the OP Risil!

#8 HeadFirst

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Posted 30 May 2021 - 02:11

Looking forward to a safe 500. I like many of the drivers in this years race, but if I have to choose I'll go with Herta scorching the field, or Hinchcliffe via the alternate strategy route.  :clap:



#9 maximilian

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Posted 30 May 2021 - 02:41

FINALLY another IndyCar race!!!  Can't wait!!  :love:  :love:  :love:



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Posted 30 May 2021 - 03:01

I permanently changed my work hours just so I can see this race.  #NotaRainJinxOhNo



#11 OvDrone

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Posted 30 May 2021 - 04:11

It is a good day.

 

Edit: My partner made damn sure that it's actually a bad day.

 

The 500 will heal all.

Ah, love.


Edited by OvDrone, 30 May 2021 - 08:13.


#12 B Squared

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Posted 30 May 2021 - 06:14

Heading out to pick up my brother and head for the track. Nice to be unconcerned about weather. May it be a safe and competitive day for all. 



#13 teejay

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Posted 30 May 2021 - 07:05

I have to get up at midnight to watch this.

I'm in.

Let's go Scotty Mac. Let's go Monty!

Hope it's a good safe race.

#14 Burtros

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Posted 30 May 2021 - 07:20

I have one plan today. Watch this race. Can’t wait, been looking forward to it for ages.

Come on Colton!

#15 PayasYouRace

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Posted 30 May 2021 - 07:34

I can’t even watch the race today. Gutted.

 

I’ll have to catch a replay. At least I’m off work for a couple of weeks so fining the time during the week shouldn’t be too hard.

 

I hope it’s a fun one.



#16 PlatenGlass

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Posted 30 May 2021 - 07:46

My understanding was that the green flag was 12:45 EST (rather than 12:20) and so 17:45 BST.

#17 Frood

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Posted 30 May 2021 - 07:49

SATO!!!!!333333three

 

Also, for those of you who enjoy the drivers being petty and acting like children, a spat has broken out on Instagram between the exact drivers you'd first think of when you think about who's most likely to act petty and childish on social media. Yes, Ferrucci and Daly don't like each other very much. Marco has also waded in to defend Conor, and Ferrucci has backup from, erm, Zachary Claman de Melo, of all people. :drunk:



#18 jonpollak

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Posted 30 May 2021 - 07:51

As my wife said to me over coffee...
“This is your Christmas, isn’t it?”
Jp

#19 WOT

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Posted 30 May 2021 - 08:05

I remember this day in 1965, I had tonsillitis. Amazingly the 500 was being telecast live in Oz!! Dad rugged me up in front of the telly in a full reclining chair and left the heater on low. He set his alarm clock for 2am to make sure I was awake and that the old black and white telly was working so we could watch Jim Clark win the 500.
 
Hope you all enjoy the race and please let it be a safe one.

Edited by WOT, 30 May 2021 - 08:06.


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#20 DS27

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Posted 30 May 2021 - 08:06

I think i'm actually looking forward to this more than Bathurst this year, which certainly makes it top of my Christmas tree.



#21 HuddersfieldTerrier1986

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Posted 30 May 2021 - 08:12

My understanding was that the green flag was 12:45 EST (rather than 12:20) and so 17:45 BST.


Certainly Sky have been heavily mentioning the race starting at 5.45pm UK time for the last week or so, including earlier this morning

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Posted 30 May 2021 - 08:45

Yes HUD. Massive props to Sky for the best ever effort in the UK to put so much of this event on our screens over the last two weeks.

Jp

#23 Anja

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Posted 30 May 2021 - 08:59

If 10 years ago someone told me that in the near future some oval race will become my Race of the Year, let's just say I would be very amused by this preposterous idea. But now here we are. Can't wait. 



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Posted 30 May 2021 - 09:03

For neophytes:

 

Yes, they do do it this way every year. Yes, there are always marching bands etc etc. Yes, they always sing 'Back Home in Indiana'.

 

Yes, there is a big emphasis on the military. "Why?" you ask. It's because this is Memorial Day in the US of A. It's a tribute to the US service men and women who served in many wars and has its roots in Decoration Day, established after the Civil War. Don't complain about it - it's just what Americans do. Just accept it and move on. And you'll likely offend some of our US members if you do complain about it.

 

If you're British, think of it as a combination of Armistice Day, the Edinburgh Tattoo and Trooping of the Colour. With an RAF flypast on top. On steroids, because we just don't do it that way.

 

Aussies: think Armistice Day, ANZAC Day and Australia Day all rolled into one. But probably with less beer.

 

French? Bastille Day. 'Nuff said?



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Posted 30 May 2021 - 09:24

If our Remembrance Day wasn’t in November we’d probably have a major sporting event coinciding with it, with all the military pageantry to go with it.

 

It’s a damn shame when a c-list celebrity butchers the national anthem on a day when it’s actually important to Americans, but in general the pre-500 stuff is really superb and laden with tradition. I wouldn’t have it any other way.



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Posted 30 May 2021 - 09:32

That said there has been the adoption of wearing poppies on people’s lapels at IMS this year so at least these non-believers will recognize a familiar image and make a connection.

I just wish they’d put the flowers back at the exit of turn4 !!!
Kathy Penske... What happened?!?!?
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#27 Collombin

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Posted 30 May 2021 - 09:32

Yes, I kind of like all the ceremony, and of course the singing of Indiana. Not all non Americans side with Rindt.

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Posted 30 May 2021 - 09:56

..

 

It’s a damn shame when a c-list celebrity butchers the national anthem on a day when it’s actually important to Americans, but in general the pre-500 stuff is really superb and laden with tradition. I wouldn’t have it any other way.

 

Big as Indy is to us and a lot of people around the world, it's only extremely small fry compared with that other big sporting event they have on the first Sunday of February. And that event also have, if not a tradition, then at least a track record of enlisting subpar singers. 



#29 PayasYouRace

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Posted 30 May 2021 - 09:58

Big as Indy is to us and a lot of people around the world, it's only extremely small fry compared with that other big sporting event they have on the first Sunday of February. And that event also have, if not a tradition, then at least a track record of enlisting subpar singers. 

It’s not the choice of singer, it’s the tendency to make up their own tune for the song. On this day of all days, a traditional rendition should be sung.



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Posted 30 May 2021 - 10:01

Circuit guide: Alexander Rossi explains the Indianapolis Motor Speedway (from last year):



#31 Xpat

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Posted 30 May 2021 - 10:02

It’s not the choice of singer, it’s the tendency to make up their own tune for the song. On this day of all days, a traditional rendition should be sung.

 

The versions are usually serviceable. The only really awful rendition was Steven Tyler's.

 

Not sure I had ever heard boos during the National Anthem.



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Posted 30 May 2021 - 10:03

"Breakfast from the Brickyard"

Live from the Speedway

https://www.wrtv.com/live

 

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Posted 30 May 2021 - 10:03

Back home again in Indiana 



#34 Risil

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Posted 30 May 2021 - 10:17

It’s not the choice of singer, it’s the tendency to make up their own tune for the song. On this day of all days, a traditional rendition should be sung.

There's a wonderful bass guitar one from Red Hot Chilli Peppers' Flea that stunned an NBA game into silence.

Personally gawping at the weird performances is a massive guilty pleasure for me. It has everything: a familiar song that everyone tackles in their own way, the fact that terrible performances are rare but not surprising, the rather archaic diction and complicated syntax of the lyrics, a tune that has a melodic topography where you anticipate the challenges and pitfalls and opportunities for self-expression before they arrive. Plus the sheer optimism of trying to personally reinvent a song that's over 200 year old and is sung constantly.

However, they usually get someone good for Indy. When we were in the stands for the 2016 edition, while the official version was coming out of the PA, many people in the stands were singing along sotto voce, which was very moving.

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Posted 30 May 2021 - 10:17

So, I am not sure what the protocol is for counting race streaks since none of us could attend in person last year. This year would have been my 50th in a row since 1971 was my first. Attending races in 6 decades makes me sound way older than I think I am.

 

I think I will root for Ed Carpenter (we share an amla mater and it would mean a lot to him) and Tony Kanaan because I see Tony at the mall now and again. That is all very scientific.

 

I need to go decide if I should wear long trousers or grace everyone with the presence of my legs. Current temp 43F. Forecast to be 61F at the green flag, maybe getting to 66F by the checkered flag.


Edited by Xpat, 30 May 2021 - 10:18.


#36 Henri Greuter

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Posted 30 May 2021 - 10:23

Yes, I kind of like all the ceremony, and of course the singing of Indiana. Not all non Americans side with Rindt.

I got to admit that before my first ever time (1988) I felt some of those traditions and habits (Tom Carnegie's kind of announcing etc) being over the top and weird.

 

But after May 1988, I understood it all and why it made such impact.

May 1988 was the only time I experienced it all without being moved and impressed by the moment and the privilege to be a part of it.

 

 

Edit:  Once you have had the experience in person, then you understand why and so much more.....


Edited by Henri Greuter, 30 May 2021 - 10:37.


#37 djparky

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Posted 30 May 2021 - 10:34

For those at the track, have a great day, I'm very envious...may be I'll be able to get back next year

Looking forward to this. Be fascinating to see how the Penske drivers do from low grid spots.

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Posted 30 May 2021 - 10:41

I need to go decide if I should wear long trousers or grace everyone with the presence of my legs. Current temp 43F. Forecast to be 61F at the green flag, maybe getting to 66F by the checkered flag.

Cool weather will make things very interesting on new tires and restarts.

#39 Henri Greuter

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Posted 30 May 2021 - 10:44

Cool weather will make things very interesting on new tires and restarts.

1992 .....



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#40 OvDrone

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Posted 30 May 2021 - 10:44

I enjoy the buildup more than the race itself sometimes.



#41 Stephane

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Posted 30 May 2021 - 10:47

I enjoy the buildup more than the race itself sometimes.


Until the race starts and I completely forget about pre race

#42 jonpollak

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Posted 30 May 2021 - 10:56

So, I am not sure what the protocol is for counting race streaks since none of us could attend in person last year. This year would have been my 50th in a row since 1971 was my first. Attending races in 6 decades makes me sound way older than I think I am.
 
I think I will root for Ed Carpenter (we share an amla mater and it would mean a lot to him) and Tony Kanaan because I see Tony at the mall now and again. That is all very scientific.
 
I need to go decide if I should wear long trousers or grace everyone with the presence of my legs. Current temp 43F. Forecast to be 61F at the green flag, maybe getting to 66F by the checkered flag.

Streaks, as spurious or personal as they seem to be, are important for the denizens of IMS.

Mine is based on seeing the race either live or on the screen.

So the first live TV broadcast I remember seeing, outside of JFK's murder, was a closed circuit showing of the 1968 Indy 500 at our local cinema, the La Reina, in Sherman Oaks California. $2.50 ticket at 8am in the morning.

 

Jp


Edited by jonpollak, 30 May 2021 - 10:57.


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Posted 30 May 2021 - 11:01

Cool weather will make things very interesting on new tires and restarts.

The coldest race I attended was 2013 where it was real chilly all day. No sun at all.

Won by...Tony Kanaan.

Think I'll get him on my picks today as well.

Jp



#44 Nigol

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Posted 30 May 2021 - 11:03

Anyone knows where to watch it in Germany?

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Posted 30 May 2021 - 11:03

It’s not the choice of singer, it’s the tendency to make up their own tune for the song. On this day of all days, a traditional rendition should be sung.

I have never understood why a nation that places such high importance on its flag and Anthem & yet its biggest sporting events seem to vie to produce the most mangled and devalued version of its Anthem that they can manage.  

 

In the UK, such treatment of our own turgid dirge of an Anthem would get a stiff rebuke from the Daily Mail !

 

Have a good race, folks. 

 

 

Sattoooooo !!!!



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Posted 30 May 2021 - 11:09

Anyone knows where to watch it in Germany?

Sport1

 

https://www.indycar....h/international



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Posted 30 May 2021 - 11:09

I have never understood why a nation that places such high importance on its flag and Anthem & yet its biggest sporting events seem to vie to produce the most mangled and devalued version of its Anthem that they can manage.

In the UK, such treatment of our own turgid dirge of an Anthem would get a stiff rebuke from the Daily Mail !

Have a good race, folks.


Sattoooooo !!!!


Well anything that gets the Daily Mail in a twist is surely worth doing. (GSTQ is best performed by a military band anyway.)

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Posted 30 May 2021 - 11:12

Anyone knows where to watch it in Germany?

Unfortunately it is on DAZN

But if you check your PM's you'll find a free gift

Enjoy the race.

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Posted 30 May 2021 - 11:13

I hear Sport 1 is NOT showing the race.

Maybe someone in Germany can clear this up??

Jp



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Posted 30 May 2021 - 11:16

I hear Sport 1 is NOT showing the race.

Maybe someone in Germany can clear this up??

Jp

It's on their schedule for today on their Sport1+ channel.

 

https://tv.sport1.de/