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[YamahaV10]

A physical mockup of a 2022 car has surfaced. Here are the pics (minus the wheels)

 

 

 

Edit, add

 

Edited by YamahaV10, 24 June 2021 - 20:12.

[eibyyz]

It's better...wonder what the visibility around the brake ducts will be.

[maximilian]

That looks even LONGER!! 

[warp]

maximilian, on 24 Jun 2021 - 01:18, said:

That looks even LONGER!! 

 

They're actually shorter by 100mm or so, I think.

[Alfisti]

Penis nose finally gone? After 10 ****ing years?

[K20a]

The fact there is ground effect aero designed into that chassis, gets me ridiculously excited.

Reading this forum over the years, it's obvious that there's an entire generation of current F1 fans who don't really comprehend this regulation change, and what this means for the sport. They are a huge (even if not completely perfect) step in the right direction. We are on the right track.

[Silverstone96]

I’m torn over the front wing, I love the simplicity of it but it looks a bit naff being angled back like that, assume it’s to reduce dirty air?

[Clrnc]

I am so so curious to see the top teams interpretation of the new regulations. I am sure most of them will not look like this.

[warp]

Silverstone96, on 24 Jun 2021 - 05:28, said:

I’m torn over the front wing, I love the simplicity of it but it looks a bit naff being angled back like that, assume it’s to reduce dirty air?

 

I hope I am ridiculously wrong, but I think it's only because it looks cooler. 

[PayasYouRace]

I think the 2022 cars are going to look awesome.

Interesting that it has the F1 Authentics merch store plastered all over it.

[Cliff]

I’m not sold yet, I actually really like how the cars look now. This looks a bit toy car ish.

[Henri Greuter]

Cliff, on 24 Jun 2021 - 07:16, said:

I’m not sold yet, I actually really like how the cars look now. This looks a bit toy car ish.

 

if that is your opinion on this car, then I wonder what you think about the pre 2000 kars that weren rarely over 4.6 meter long and....

(whisper, whisper)

 

the rear engined cars of the 60s without the aero matters and appendages onto the bare monocoque.....

 

Does the word for what you think about those kind of cars to be exist in a dictionary already????
 

[Ivanhoe]

Henri Greuter, on 24 Jun 2021 - 07:22, said:

if that is your opinion on this car, then I wonder what you think about the pre 2000 kars that weren rarely over 4.6 meter long and....

(whisper, whisper)

 

the rear engined cars of the 60s without the aero matters and appendages onto the bare monocoque.....

 

Does the word for what you think about those kind of cars to be exist in a dictionary already????
 

I don't think he means the length, but more the shape and curves of the car. I think I understand his point, I'm not sold yet either.

[EvilPhil II]

They won't look like this though will they. Look at what they thought the 2009 cars would look like or the 2014 cars Vs what the teams actually came up with. In 2014 before we saw any cars each magazine was expecting car shapes like the Williams Renault of 1993 / 1994... Then we got a grid of penis nose cones.

[Radion]

Looks hideous, like a scaled up kids toy

[JimmyClark]

Alfisti, on 24 Jun 2021 - 02:09, said:

Penis nose finally gone? After 10 ****ing years?

Well the mockups of the 2014 cars didn't show any penis noses, yet look what happened. I think only Scarbs predicted it.

Who knows what the teams will find this time; however the rules are a lot more restrictive.

Edited by JimmyClark, 24 June 2021 - 07:54.

[HP]

Some details look very interesting. Can't wait to see how those cars look and perform in reality.. Hopefully after an exciting send off season for the current spec cars.

[Clatter]

Silverstone96, on 24 Jun 2021 - 05:28, said:

I’m torn over the front wing, I love the simplicity of it but it looks a bit naff being angled back like that, assume it’s to reduce dirty air?

Is the shape of the wing something that is in the rules?

[ANF]

Clatter, on 24 Jun 2021 - 08:09, said:

Is the shape of the wing something that is in the rules?

I had a quick look in the technical regulations and I haven't the faintest idea.

[Clatter]

ANF, on 24 Jun 2021 - 08:39, said:

I had a quick look in the technical regulations and I haven't the faintest idea.

Not just me then.

[Ivanhoe]

The rules for the front wing are extensively described in article 3.9 of the Technical Regulations. You need to have some serious technical qualifications to really understand what's written there, but it's quite clear that the dimensions and (basic) shape is part of it.

[Risil]

K20a, on 24 Jun 2021 - 05:01, said:

The fact there is ground effect aero designed into that chassis, gets me ridiculously excited.

Reading this forum over the years, it's obvious that there's an entire generation of current F1 fans who don't really comprehend this regulation change, and what this means for the sport. They are a huge (even if not completely perfect) step in the right direction. We are on the right track.

 

Tbh I'm with the "wait and see" camp. I've seen races with ground effects cars where no one could pass or follow. And if DRS is still around, won't everyone just wait to pass in the DRS zones anyway?

 

But, I think the technical formula is due a shakeup since the last (IMO fairly misguided) one in 2017.

 

I'd really appreciate a layman's terms explanation of how the new rules will work, as well! I can see the wings and floor are going to be different but there's been a lot of talk about the limited opportunities for ingenuity or differentiation. And do we have an idea of where the loopholes are likely to be found?

[Risil]

This is also significant because along with the budget cap, I believe it's the first really important, creative thing that F1's new post-Bernie management have done. They've had to do a lot of improvising and reacting to get Grand Prix racing through the pandemic, but this is going to indicate whether F1 is capable of delivering on its vision as a technical competition.

 

F1 will almost certainly be stuck with these regulations for 5-6 years so they do need to get it right.

[Ivanhoe]

Risil, on 24 Jun 2021 - 08:47, said:

Tbh I'm with the "wait and see" camp. I've seen races with ground effects cars where no one could pass or follow. And if DRS is still around, won't everyone just wait to pass in the DRS zones anyway?

 

According to Ferrari's simulations following another car will still be difficult with the 2022 cars

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Mattia Binotto on the new regulations: “The new regulations have the primary objective of creating a close competition between the various teams. But in the beginning I don’t think it will happen. Perhaps over the years we will see some convergence. The other objective is to facilitate overtaking to improve the show. But even in this case, I have my doubts that we will be able to achieve it. Even now, from the simulation data, you can see that the 2022 cars will have a great performance. And in these cases, there is always a certain aerodynamic disturbance for the car that is following. It’s not necessarily the case that changing the aerodynamic concepts is enough….”

https://scuderiafans...ri-2022-f1-car/

[ANF]

Ivanhoe, on 24 Jun 2021 - 08:46, said:

The rules for the front wing are extensively described in article 3.9 of the Technical Regulations. You need to have some serious technical qualifications to really understand what's written there, but it's quite clear that the dimensions and (basic) shape is part of it.

And then there's this in the Regulation Volumes appendix.

21 Front Wing Reference Volume (RV-FW)

A volume subsequently used to define RV-FW is composed of the following elements:

21.1 On the plane through XF= -1350, a surface enclosed by the following peripheral elements:

a. A line between [0, 135], [0, 280].

b. A line between [0, 280], [250, 315].

c. A line between [250, 315], [650, 315].

d. A line between [650, 315], [900, 200].

e. A line between [900, 200], [900, 475].

f. A line between [900, 475], [975, 475]

g. A line between [975, 475], [975, 100].

h. A line between [975, 100], [900, 100].

i. A line between [900, 100], [125, 135].

j. A line between [125, 135], [0, 135].

21.2 Once the surface in §21.1 is fully defined it must be extruded along X to XF= -450.

21.3 A plane through the following three points:

a. [XF= -825, 975, 100], [XF= -475, 975, 125], [XF= -475, 350, 160].

21.4 Once the plane in §21.3 is fully defined it must be used to trim the volume defined in §21.2 with ALL material below the plane discarded.

21.5 On the plane through XF= -1350, a surface enclosed by the following peripheral elements:

a. A line between [0, 110], [0, 160].

b. A line between [0, 160], [445, 160].

c. A line between [445, 160], [165, 110].

d. A line between [165, 110], [0, 110].

21.6 Once the surface in §21.5 is fully defined it must be extruded along X to XF= -450.

21.7 An extrusion of section defined in §9.1 (l) along Y to Y=445.

21.8 Once the surface in §21.7 is fully defined it must be used to trim the volume in §21.6 with ALL material below the extrusion discarded.

21.9 Once the volume in §21.8 is fully defined it must be unified with the volume in §21.4 to create a single volume.

21.10 On the plane Z=0, an open section composed of the following boundary elements:

a. A line between [XF= -1350, 0], [XF= -975, 975].

b. A line between [XF= -975, 975], [XF= -475, 975].

c. A line between [XF= -475, 975], [XF= -475, 900].

d. A line between [XF= -475, 900], [XF= -550, 350].

e. A line between [XF= -550, 350], [XF= -800, 0].

21.11 Once the section in §21.10 is fully defined it must be extruded along Z to Z=500.

21.12 Using the extruded section defined in §21.11, the volume defined in §21.9 must be trimmed with ALL material outside of the section discarded.

21.13 Once the volume in §21.12 is fully defined it is further split by a number of planar surfaces:

a. RV-FW-PROFILES refers to a sub part of this volume inboard of Y=900.

b. RV-FW-EP refers to a sub part of this volume above Z=200 and outboard of Y=900.

c. RV-FW-TIP refers to the remaining parts of this volume not explicitly defined in (a) or (b).

21.14 RV-FW-EP must be further trimmed by a plane through the following three points:

a. [XF= -975, 975, 200], [XF= -975, 900, 200], [XF= -825, 975, 475].

All material forward of this plane must be discarded.

21.15 RV-FW-TIP must be further trimmed such that all material inboard of Y=910 and that is also above Z=170 must be removed.

21.16 The fully defined volume in §21.13.a is RV-FW-PROFILES.

The fully defined volume in §21.14 is RV-FW-EP.

The fully defined volume in §21.15 is RV-FW-TIP.

RV-FW is a combination of RV-FW-PROFILES, RV-FW-EP and RV-FW-TIP.

[Ivanhoe]

ANF, on 24 Jun 2021 - 09:02, said:

And then there's this in the Regulation Volumes appendix.

21 Front Wing Reference Volume (RV-FW)

A volume subsequently used to define RV-FW is composed of the following elements:

21.1 On the plane through XF= -1350, a surface enclosed by the following peripheral elements:

a. A line between [0, 135], [0, 280].

b. A line between [0, 280], [250, 315].

c. A line between [250, 315], [650, 315].

d. A line between [650, 315], [900, 200].

e. A line between [900, 200], [900, 475].

f. A line between [900, 475], [975, 475]

g. A line between [975, 475], [975, 100].

h. A line between [975, 100], [900, 100].

i. A line between [900, 100], [125, 135].

j. A line between [125, 135], [0, 135].

21.2 Once the surface in §21.1 is fully defined it must be extruded along X to XF= -450.

21.3 A plane through the following three points:

a. [XF= -825, 975, 100], [XF= -475, 975, 125], [XF= -475, 350, 160].

21.4 Once the plane in §21.3 is fully defined it must be used to trim the volume defined in §21.2 with ALL material below the plane discarded.

21.5 On the plane through XF= -1350, a surface enclosed by the following peripheral elements:

a. A line between [0, 110], [0, 160].

b. A line between [0, 160], [445, 160].

c. A line between [445, 160], [165, 110].

d. A line between [165, 110], [0, 110].

21.6 Once the surface in §21.5 is fully defined it must be extruded along X to XF= -450.

21.7 An extrusion of section defined in §9.1 (l) along Y to Y=445.

21.8 Once the surface in §21.7 is fully defined it must be used to trim the volume in §21.6 with ALL material below the extrusion discarded.

21.9 Once the volume in §21.8 is fully defined it must be unified with the volume in §21.4 to create a single volume.

21.10 On the plane Z=0, an open section composed of the following boundary elements:

a. A line between [XF= -1350, 0], [XF= -975, 975].

b. A line between [XF= -975, 975], [XF= -475, 975].

c. A line between [XF= -475, 975], [XF= -475, 900].

d. A line between [XF= -475, 900], [XF= -550, 350].

e. A line between [XF= -550, 350], [XF= -800, 0].

21.11 Once the section in §21.10 is fully defined it must be extruded along Z to Z=500.

21.12 Using the extruded section defined in §21.11, the volume defined in §21.9 must be trimmed with ALL material outside of the section discarded.

21.13 Once the volume in §21.12 is fully defined it is further split by a number of planar surfaces:

a. RV-FW-PROFILES refers to a sub part of this volume inboard of Y=900.

b. RV-FW-EP refers to a sub part of this volume above Z=200 and outboard of Y=900.

c. RV-FW-TIP refers to the remaining parts of this volume not explicitly defined in (a) or (b).

21.14 RV-FW-EP must be further trimmed by a plane through the following three points:

a. [XF= -975, 975, 200], [XF= -975, 900, 200], [XF= -825, 975, 475].

All material forward of this plane must be discarded.

21.15 RV-FW-TIP must be further trimmed such that all material inboard of Y=910 and that is also above Z=170 must be removed.

21.16 The fully defined volume in §21.13.a is RV-FW-PROFILES.

The fully defined volume in §21.14 is RV-FW-EP.

The fully defined volume in §21.15 is RV-FW-TIP.

RV-FW is a combination of RV-FW-PROFILES, RV-FW-EP and RV-FW-TIP.

Lol. Yeah, that's a clear description of the wing we see in the picture   

[Clatter]

ANF, on 24 Jun 2021 - 09:02, said:

And then there's this in the Regulation Volumes appendix.

21 Front Wing Reference Volume (RV-FW)
A volume subsequently used to define RV-FW is composed of the following elements:
21.1 On the plane through XF= -1350, a surface enclosed by the following peripheral elements:

a. A line between [0, 135], [0, 280].

b. A line between [0, 280], [250, 315].

c. A line between [250, 315], [650, 315].

d. A line between [650, 315], [900, 200].

e. A line between [900, 200], [900, 475].

f. A line between [900, 475], [975, 475]

g. A line between [975, 475], [975, 100].

h. A line between [975, 100], [900, 100].

i. A line between [900, 100], [125, 135].

j. A line between [125, 135], [0, 135].

21.2 Once the surface in §21.1 is fully defined it must be extruded along X to XF= -450.
21.3 A plane through the following three points:

a. [XF= -825, 975, 100], [XF= -475, 975, 125], [XF= -475, 350, 160].

21.4 Once the plane in §21.3 is fully defined it must be used to trim the volume defined in §21.2 with ALL material below the plane discarded.
21.5 On the plane through XF= -1350, a surface enclosed by the following peripheral elements:

a. A line between [0, 110], [0, 160].

b. A line between [0, 160], [445, 160].

c. A line between [445, 160], [165, 110].

d. A line between [165, 110], [0, 110].

21.6 Once the surface in §21.5 is fully defined it must be extruded along X to XF= -450.
21.7 An extrusion of section defined in §9.1 (l) along Y to Y=445.
21.8 Once the surface in §21.7 is fully defined it must be used to trim the volume in §21.6 with ALL material below the extrusion discarded.
21.9 Once the volume in §21.8 is fully defined it must be unified with the volume in §21.4 to create a single volume.
21.10 On the plane Z=0, an open section composed of the following boundary elements:

a. A line between [XF= -1350, 0], [XF= -975, 975].

b. A line between [XF= -975, 975], [XF= -475, 975].

c. A line between [XF= -475, 975], [XF= -475, 900].

d. A line between [XF= -475, 900], [XF= -550, 350].

e. A line between [XF= -550, 350], [XF= -800, 0].

21.11 Once the section in §21.10 is fully defined it must be extruded along Z to Z=500.
21.12 Using the extruded section defined in §21.11, the volume defined in §21.9 must be trimmed with ALL material outside of the section discarded.
21.13 Once the volume in §21.12 is fully defined it is further split by a number of planar surfaces:

a. RV-FW-PROFILES refers to a sub part of this volume inboard of Y=900.

b. RV-FW-EP refers to a sub part of this volume above Z=200 and outboard of Y=900.

c. RV-FW-TIP refers to the remaining parts of this volume not explicitly defined in (a) or (b).

21.14 RV-FW-EP must be further trimmed by a plane through the following three points:

a. [XF= -975, 975, 200], [XF= -975, 900, 200], [XF= -825, 975, 475].

All material forward of this plane must be discarded.
21.15 RV-FW-TIP must be further trimmed such that all material inboard of Y=910 and that is also above Z=170 must be removed.
21.16 The fully defined volume in §21.13.a is RV-FW-PROFILES.
The fully defined volume in §21.14 is RV-FW-EP.
The fully defined volume in §21.15 is RV-FW-TIP.
RV-FW is a combination of RV-FW-PROFILES, RV-FW-EP and RV-FW-TIP.

Ah, right, it all makes sense now. 😆😆😆

[Ivanhoe]

Clatter, on 24 Jun 2021 - 09:05, said:

Ah, right, it all makes sense now.

Yeah, next time before you ask a question, better first read the regulations Clatter, it's all there.

[SenorSjon]

I'm a bit amazed you guys didn't visualise this from the get go. 

[Anderis]

I don't care much about aesthetics, I just hope they finally make the rules that'll allow for true racing instead of the caricature of racing we have now- start a straight 6 tenths behind, press a button, fly by and complete the maneuver before the end of the straight without any fight in the braking zone.

 

Even though dirty air has been a problem for a very long time, things still didn't look as ridiculous as now even in the early 2010's IMO. And it was appaling how they suddenly changed direction with the 2016 aero changes and after years of at least trying to make things better, they pushed through changes that were expected to make things worse.

 

I hope everything works out much better this time. But I wouldn't be terribly surprised if it doesn't. I'm frustrated with the place F1 is in right now and that those in power don't always have the same concerns as me- although I must admit budget caps and reintroduction of ground effect still seem like big steps in the right direction.

[statman]

there's a flash video on their website showing the full product and walk around:

 

https://www.thememen....com/car-builds

[PayasYouRace]

Alfisti, on 24 Jun 2021 - 02:09, said:

Penis nose finally gone? After 10 fucking years?

They arrived and went in 2014.

[PayasYouRace]

JimmyClark, on 24 Jun 2021 - 07:53, said:

Well the mockups of the 2014 cars didn't show any penis noses, yet look what happened. I think only Scarbs predicted it.

Who knows what the teams will find this time; however the rules are a lot more restrictive.

The 2014 nose designs were the result of a very specific rule about mandatory cross-sections in the noses. They were mostly a very clever albeit ugly solution to the rules. But they were closed up for 2015 and we haven’t had to deal with them since, though the concept has survived in the sense of having a channelled nose shape which most teams use.

I think the new rules are constructed differently.

[Risil]

statman, on 24 Jun 2021 - 10:07, said:

there's a flash video on their website showing the full product and walk around:

https://www.thememen....com/car-builds

From your link:

Quote

The builds are made from a combination of carbon fibre and fibreglass - or we can instead build out of flax or recycled carbon fibre

Now why did the thought of an Andrea Moda revival pop into my head when I read that

[Requiem84]

How fast are these cars expected to be versus the current cars?

[Jovanotti]

Alfisti, on 24 Jun 2021 - 02:09, said:

Penis nose finally gone? After 10 ****ing years?

Don't get your hopes up, I'm sure one or more teams will find ways to **** up the aesthetics.

[absinthedude]

Back in the early 80s I supported the move away from full ground effects....but for some 20 yeas I've supported it's return. the original reason for banning full ground effect and later the "flat bottom" was that cornering speeds were too fast for the cars and tracks at the time. Cornering speeds increased  massively from 1976-1980 while the cars were still aluminium honeycomb and the circuits offered little run-off. Drivers were not as fit as they are today....guys who had learned the ropes in cars of the early 70s or late 60s were not equipped to drive them. There were also issues with big undulations and cars taking off like aeroplanes.

 

But all that has changed. The cars are much safer, and have been for many years...as are the circuits. they're both made for cornering speeds far in excess of those of 1982. Drivers are all used to high levels of downforce, though the increased use of venturis under the car will mean adjustments to driving styles....they are all strong and fit enough. 

 

With the banning of "ground effect" came the new problem of dirty air. The focus of the aero was now the wings, and the rear wing has increasingly made "dirty" holes in the air such that the front wing of a following car cannot generate sufficient downforce. Venturi tunnels will help this. As will the simplified front wing as seen in the mock up....my engineering is limited, I am more a physicist....but I do know that a simpler front wing (or no front wing at all, see the 1982 Williams) will also help. The mock up looks decent. Far better than anything in the last decade or thereabouts. Of course teams will all come up with their own designs and different solutions. The car launches next year will be very interesting. And until a car is crashed and hoisted by a crane, we won't even know what everyone is doing underneath. I am looking forward to this. 

[Astandahl]

Awful.

Hopefully it will provide better racing.

[Nemo1965]

ANF, on 24 Jun 2021 - 09:02, said:

And then there's this in the Regulation Volumes appendix.

21 Front Wing Reference Volume (RV-FW)
A volume subsequently used to define RV-FW is composed of the following elements:
21.1 On the plane through XF= -1350, a surface enclosed by the following peripheral elements:

a. A line between [0, 135], [0, 280].

b. A line between [0, 280], [250, 315].

c. A line between [250, 315], [650, 315].

d. A line between [650, 315], [900, 200].

e. A line between [900, 200], [900, 475].

f. A line between [900, 475], [975, 475]

g. A line between [975, 475], [975, 100].

h. A line between [975, 100], [900, 100].

i. A line between [900, 100], [125, 135].

j. A line between [125, 135], [0, 135].

21.2 Once the surface in §21.1 is fully defined it must be extruded along X to XF= -450.
21.3 A plane through the following three points:

a. [XF= -825, 975, 100], [XF= -475, 975, 125], [XF= -475, 350, 160].

21.4 Once the plane in §21.3 is fully defined it must be used to trim the volume defined in §21.2 with ALL material below the plane discarded.
21.5 On the plane through XF= -1350, a surface enclosed by the following peripheral elements:

a. A line between [0, 110], [0, 160].

b. A line between [0, 160], [445, 160].

c. A line between [445, 160], [165, 110].

d. A line between [165, 110], [0, 110].

21.6 Once the surface in §21.5 is fully defined it must be extruded along X to XF= -450.
21.7 An extrusion of section defined in §9.1 (l) along Y to Y=445.
21.8 Once the surface in §21.7 is fully defined it must be used to trim the volume in §21.6 with ALL material below the extrusion discarded.
21.9 Once the volume in §21.8 is fully defined it must be unified with the volume in §21.4 to create a single volume.
21.10 On the plane Z=0, an open section composed of the following boundary elements:

a. A line between [XF= -1350, 0], [XF= -975, 975].

b. A line between [XF= -975, 975], [XF= -475, 975].

c. A line between [XF= -475, 975], [XF= -475, 900].

d. A line between [XF= -475, 900], [XF= -550, 350].

e. A line between [XF= -550, 350], [XF= -800, 0].

21.11 Once the section in §21.10 is fully defined it must be extruded along Z to Z=500.
21.12 Using the extruded section defined in §21.11, the volume defined in §21.9 must be trimmed with ALL material outside of the section discarded.
21.13 Once the volume in §21.12 is fully defined it is further split by a number of planar surfaces:

a. RV-FW-PROFILES refers to a sub part of this volume inboard of Y=900.

b. RV-FW-EP refers to a sub part of this volume above Z=200 and outboard of Y=900.

c. RV-FW-TIP refers to the remaining parts of this volume not explicitly defined in (a) or (b).

21.14 RV-FW-EP must be further trimmed by a plane through the following three points:

a. [XF= -975, 975, 200], [XF= -975, 900, 200], [XF= -825, 975, 475].

All material forward of this plane must be discarded.
21.15 RV-FW-TIP must be further trimmed such that all material inboard of Y=910 and that is also above Z=170 must be removed.
21.16 The fully defined volume in §21.13.a is RV-FW-PROFILES.
The fully defined volume in §21.14 is RV-FW-EP.
The fully defined volume in §21.15 is RV-FW-TIP.
RV-FW is a combination of RV-FW-PROFILES, RV-FW-EP and RV-FW-TIP.

As Robin Williams said: ‘Thanks for the effing heads-up.’

[PlatenGlass]

I like the colour.

[domhnall]

Looks great     Can't wait to see the real thing! 

[Roadhouse]

Shape of the nose should help a tiny bit in wheel to wheel racing. The front wing end plates get hit pretty often, placing them back should give a little bit more wiggle room. Especially during switcheroos. It's pretty minimal, but I wonder if they had that in mind.

[Ali_G]

By all accounts the wind tunnel tests show a huge improvement in following cars through the corners.

Wing attached directly to nose is a huge improvement aesthetically and is something which should have been mandated years ago. Not mad about the swept back front wing. Revised sidepods due to the venturis look great.

[Clatter]

Ali_G, on 24 Jun 2021 - 13:48, said:

By all accounts the wind tunnel tests show a huge improvement in following cars through the corners.

Wing attached directly to nose is a huge improvement aesthetically and is something which should have been mandated years ago. Not mad about the swept back front wing. Revised sidepods due to the venturis look great.

So they only have to hope that the teams make their cars look and perform like their wind tunnel model then.

[Ali_G]

Clatter, on 24 Jun 2021 - 13:54, said:

So they only have to hope that the teams make their cars look and perform like their wind tunnel model then.

They’ll be running spec venturis which will be a lot of the reason for the improvement along with the revised rear wing concept.

I’m living in hope.

[Clatter]

Ali_G, on 24 Jun 2021 - 14:09, said:

They’ll be running spec venturis which will be a lot of the reason for the improvement along with the revised rear wing concept.

I’m living in hope.

There's always hope, but how often has the model matched what the teams actually do?

[Ben1445]

Honestly? Assuming they end up actually looking more or less like that... it's fine. It'd be fine. No problemo. 

[Ali_G]

Clatter, on 24 Jun 2021 - 14:22, said:

There's always hope, but how often has the model matched what the teams actually do?

The 2009 cars definitely resulted in closer racing. Over time this dissipated away before the revised aero formula which basically canned the entire concept.

[YamahaV10]

K20a, on 24 Jun 2021 - 05:01, said:

The fact there is ground effect aero designed into that chassis, gets me ridiculously excited.

Reading this forum over the years, it's obvious that there's an entire generation of current F1 fans who don't really comprehend this regulation change, and what this means for the sport. They are a huge (even if not completely perfect) step in the right direction. We are on the right track.

I agree.

[YamahaV10]

Ben1445, on 24 Jun 2021 - 14:23, said:

Honestly? Assuming they end up actually looking more or less like that... it's fine. It'd be fine. No problemo.

It's not just about the look though. A ground effect car will just be better for racing. It's physics