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Hamilton and Verstappen, British GP 2021


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Poll: Hamilton Verstappen crash (798 member(s) have cast votes)

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  1. Hamilton’s fault (415 votes [52.01%])

    Percentage of vote: 52.01%

  2. Verstappen’s fault (51 votes [6.39%])

    Percentage of vote: 6.39%

  3. No-one’s fault / racing incident (332 votes [41.60%])

    Percentage of vote: 41.60%

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#1 SophieB

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Posted 18 July 2021 - 14:09

I suspect you will wish to discuss the incident between Hamilton and Verstappen at the start of the British GP, please do so here.



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#2 Ev0d3vil

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Posted 18 July 2021 - 14:10

Auto sport servers gonna be overloaded, it was expected.

#3 SenorSjon

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Posted 18 July 2021 - 14:10

Well, Lewis has his Senna moment now. Inside Copse is NOT an overtaking spot.

#4 krapmeister

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Posted 18 July 2021 - 14:10

Awwww... but what are we going to talk about in the race thread?

#5 Scaboo22

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Posted 18 July 2021 - 14:11

If Lewis Hamilton were a certain German driver, they would be calling for a ban. I doubt he’ll get even a 5 second penalty for what was a taking out of his only championship opponent. Oh and he bumped into Max before that as well.

#6 Risil

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Posted 18 July 2021 - 14:11

Awwww... but what are we going to talk about in the race thread?


Is David Croft not enough?

#7 Diablobb81

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Posted 18 July 2021 - 14:11

Lewis has no business being there and drifting into Max.

#8 acf69

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Posted 18 July 2021 - 14:11

and a red flag so mercedes can repair damage

#9 A.Fant

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Posted 18 July 2021 - 14:13

Shades of Hill 1995, Lewis deserves a penalty but the calls for a DSQ from the race thread are ridiculous

#10 ebc

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Posted 18 July 2021 - 14:13

Hamilton screwed up there, huge mistake, that move was never on.

#11 johnwilliamdavies

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Posted 18 July 2021 - 14:13

Brilliant lap by Hamilton. Today he truly proved he's up there with Senna and Schumacher.



#12 FLB

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Posted 18 July 2021 - 14:13

Hamilton feels he was ahead, but the replay clearly shows he wasn't.



#13 Timorous

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Posted 18 July 2021 - 14:14

50/50 considering max rejoined unsafely at T1



#14 Disgrace

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Posted 18 July 2021 - 14:14

Shades of Hill 1995, Lewis deserves a penalty but the calls for a DSQ from the race thread are ridiculous

 

Yeah. Highly optimistic because he was always going to lose speed going into the corner so tight. I'd apportion most of the blame to Hamilton, but I don't sympathise much with Verstappen - the dirtiest defensive driver out there.



#15 Astandahl

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Posted 18 July 2021 - 14:14

Hamilton feels he was ahead, but the replay clearly shows he wasn't.


It’s a clear penalty in this case.

#16 Kev00

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Posted 18 July 2021 - 14:15

Lewis wiped him out plain and simple. Max left plenty of space on the inside.

#17 baku

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Posted 18 July 2021 - 14:16

Going in the inside in that corner on the dirty side??? really really stupid and overly aggressive from lewis.

deserves a big penalty

#18 Marklar

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Posted 18 July 2021 - 14:16

Fairly normal incident. Hamilton's fault obviously (although they could have collided multiple times throughout this lap already), and a penalty would be fine (usually gets you 5 seconds at most), anything more is hysteria because of the implication of the championship.



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Posted 18 July 2021 - 14:16

For years now I was expecting such a incident at Copse, in any series. And here we are. At the sharp end of F1.

 

Rosberg said it best - that Hamilton is incredible at these grey areas. Can't really say one or the other and he's just there, what can you do about it ?

 

I apologies to Max and his supporters but I do sincerely think that this is a racing incident. Max will learn from this and be better.



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#20 SenorSjon

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Posted 18 July 2021 - 14:16

50/50 considering max rejoined unsafely at T1


Other situation. Lewis had 1,5 m from the apex and went wide against the right rear.

#21 fed up

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Posted 18 July 2021 - 14:16

Max is fault all day long. He turned in on Lewis.



#22 Ev0d3vil

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Posted 18 July 2021 - 14:16

Racing incident.



#23 Kimiraikkonen

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Posted 18 July 2021 - 14:16

50/50 considering max rejoined unsafely at T1

Agreed.



#24 Lazy

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Posted 18 July 2021 - 14:16

You can't overtake there. He couldn't hold it and slid into Vesrtappen. Desperation tactics.



#25 Ruusperi

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Posted 18 July 2021 - 14:17

Typical racing incident. Collisions are the core of motorsport, so nothing unusual here. Happens in every category in most races, though usually in a slower sections.

Only malicious/intentional crashes should be penalized like that of Schumi. I'm sure Hamilton didn't want it to end in a collision.



#26 MaxCrazyEddieCayer

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Posted 18 July 2021 - 14:17

It’s a clear penalty in this case.


Yeah, but he won’t get one, plus he got a red flag to fix whatever damage he has too.

“I was ahead” no you weren’t, Lewis.

#27 Gravelngrass

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Posted 18 July 2021 - 14:17

Hamilton as ever so lucky coming unscathed from an incident. These happened a couple of times during the seasons of competition vs Vettel and Vettel always took the worst part, which, in part, led to his labeling as mistake prone. In any case, it's pretty convenient for Ham for the WDC. 



#28 CSF

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Posted 18 July 2021 - 14:17

Bit of an overreaction already.

 

There have been a few of these clumsy incidents in the last few years. 



#29 Arundo

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Posted 18 July 2021 - 14:18

Desperate move from Hamilton. His frustration is clearly showing. But he wont get a penalty its Max he always gets ****ed by the FIA.

#30 NoForumForOldPole

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Posted 18 July 2021 - 14:18

Due to severity of the incident and potential tragic consequences for Max they will need to give Lewis a penalty. He did not hit the apex and Max was ahead.

Edited by NoForumForOldPole, 18 July 2021 - 14:18.


#31 baku

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Posted 18 July 2021 - 14:18

Max is fault all day long. He turned in on Lewis.


huh???? what else should he do in a corner??

lewis was just dumb going on the inside there at the dirty space

#32 Calum

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Posted 18 July 2021 - 14:18

Well, Lewis has his Senna moment now. Inside Copse is NOT an overtaking spot.


He was determined to do it there.

Tried and failed in sprint too.

#33 SenorSjon

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Posted 18 July 2021 - 14:18

Max is fault all day long. He turned in on Lewis.


If it was the other way round, you would state the same.

#34 mclarensmps

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Posted 18 July 2021 - 14:18

Racing incident for me, but if someone is to be blamed, it's gotta be Lewis. 

Worth a penalty? I don't think so. 



#35 Dara

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Posted 18 July 2021 - 14:18

For me a racing incident.
Yes Hamilton was to aggressive but I feel Max could have given a bit more space.
It was always going to end in tears of no one backed out.

#36 FullOppositeLock

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Posted 18 July 2021 - 14:18

Max unscathed thank God

#37 Ellios

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Posted 18 July 2021 - 14:19

Horner livid, calling it dirty driving by Hamilton. 



#38 Erik89

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Posted 18 July 2021 - 14:20

Ham never hit apex, he had space, he understeered into Max. Ham's fault, stop-and-go x seconds under green.



#39 Astandahl

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Posted 18 July 2021 - 14:20

Fairly normal incident. Hamilton's fault obviously (although they could have collided multiple times throughout this lap already), and a penalty would be fine (usually gets you 5 seconds at most), anything more is hysteria because of the implication of the championship.


And the severity of the crash. Extremely dangerous.

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#40 fed up

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Posted 18 July 2021 - 14:20

If there's a penalty for that, F1 is bankrupt.. They don't want these drivers to race anymore.



#41 SenorSjon

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Posted 18 July 2021 - 14:20

For me a racing incident.
Yes Hamilton was to aggressive but I feel Max could have given a bit more space.
It was always going to end in tears of no one backed out.

He had space but went too fast for it. Copse isn't on for such an action.

Edited by SenorSjon, 18 July 2021 - 14:20.


#42 Timstr11

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Posted 18 July 2021 - 14:20

Max turned in as if no one was there.

You have to respect these high-speed tracks in wheel-to-wheel racing.

Glad he seems to be ok-ish after that massive shunt.



#43 Jones Foyer

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Posted 18 July 2021 - 14:20

If they want to be consistent with Austria penalties, this one should be one for Lewis. Lewis gave motions earlier in the lap that he was perfectly comfortable giving Max a gap in the back. A very dangerous incident.

#44 Disgrace

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Posted 18 July 2021 - 14:20

If we replace Hamilton with say Mazepin, do we still call it a racing incident?



#45 enjoyingRBR

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Posted 18 July 2021 - 14:20

Lewis will for sure get a big penalty. Should have been close to apex. Dont understear into max there, this was extremely dangerous!

#46 Arundo

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Posted 18 July 2021 - 14:20

Horner livid, calling it dirty driving by Hamilton.


It was dirty driving from Hamilton

#47 motorhead

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Posted 18 July 2021 - 14:20

Hamilton is one lucky guy, just like last year with puncture



#48 Quickshifter

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Posted 18 July 2021 - 14:20

Anybody who has done' even amateur level racing would know that's 100 percent Lewis' fault. On a massively high speed corner you don't stick your nose inside a car on the racing line, and you being being a mile away from apex. Desperation is the word i would say.

Edited by Quickshifter, 18 July 2021 - 14:21.


#49 JHSingo

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Posted 18 July 2021 - 14:21

Under/over for number of pages this thread will run to?  :lol:



#50 jimjimjeroo

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Posted 18 July 2021 - 14:21

ERICSSON!!!