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[Burtros]

I’m not unbiased. I wouldn’t claim any different!

I just want to see a battle and if F1 can’t sort out it’s regulations to deliver that this is what we have to settle for.

[ClubmanGT]

It’s going to be epic between these two titans of the sport.

 

Or we're just going to get 'who can do the most convincing impression of accidentally moving over and inadvertently wiping out their rival knowing they'll only get a 10 second penalty', which is now firmly on the table as a strategy.

[Burtros]

Or we're just going to get 'who can do the most convincing impression of accidentally moving over and inadvertently wiping out their rival knowing they'll only get a 10 second penalty', which is now firmly on the table as a strategy.

It’s not a strategy on the table as Lewis should have retired then too. Another red flag bail out. Neither can bank on that sort of insane luck, even if Hamilton has benefitted twice from it now.

[Sam1]

Don’t think they can take them apart, all PU’s get additional FIA seals at post-race parc fermé in order to ensure that they cannot be run or dismantled before the next race. Not sure if this also applies to cars that had a heavy crash, but couldn’t find anything in the rules.

If they can prove that the parts damaged constituted being unsafe they could get away with it on safety grounds but but need to redesign some part so doubt it 

[Clatter]

Thanks bud!

 

Was there a specific reason for this? 

 

Frankly it ruins the show altogether - as it did this weekend past.

 

It was done for cost saving reasons as the spare was rarely used. What aspect of the last race weekend was ruined because of no spare car? Verstappen was the one who would have needed it, but was in no fit state to use it.

[ForzaFormula]

Weekend with my racing mates done, none of us blame Verstappen, we would all have been backing out of that move as it wasn’t on. None of us support Hamilton and most of us dislike him as a racer, the universal view is he isn’t actually that good in those sort of situations when the pressure is on.

Are we glad it happened? **** yeah. We have a title battle and a half now. I’d rather that than another cake walk title as we have seen for years on end now. It’s going to be epic between these two titans of the sport.

 

This is actual fiction, maybe just true on this board? which is far less than 1% of F1 fans, as Hamilton has the biggest fanbase and following in F1, and also as shown by his 7xWDC he shown he is actually the man in these situations when it comes to the crunch of winning a title, he's proven that already (He does make a mistake or two during a season but when it comes down to it if the title is there he will grab it..)

[Ivanhoe]

This is actual fiction, maybe just true on this board? which is far less than 1% of F1 fans, as Hamilton has the biggest fanbase and following in F1, and also as shown by his 7xWDC he shown he is actually the man in these situations when it comes to the crunch of winning a title, he's proven that already (He does make a mistake or two during a season but when it comes down to it if the title is there he will grab it..)

Lol, calm down. Burtros was talking about himself and his mates who watched the GP with him.

[HarmonicBlade1]

the universal view is he isn’t actually that good in those sort of situations when the pressure is on.

Really dude? Its just as easy to argue that Verstappen bottled it by not backing out and collecting points to maintain a decent championship lead just like Hamilton has been doing these last few years where he has continuously avoided collisions that would have been completely Verstappen's fault if he held his ground.

The pressure was well and truly on Hamilton at Silverstone by the way. A 33 points deficit against a better car in front of his home crowd and he literally beat Max at his own aggressive, uncompromising game. All Max had to do was back out but we've seen this before with Max just like in the Brazil 2018 race where he had an easy race win in the bag but ended up crashing out because he couldnt handle being overtaken by a lapped car that would have had no bearing whatsoever on his race result had he just let him through. Same happened at Silverstone. He went all out against a driver who had less to lose than him and ended up in the wall.

Anyway, there are plenty of examples of Hamilton overcoming adversity and delivering in high pressure situations and that's despite the fact that he has so many unreasonable haters online posting abuse about him every day. The hate he gets doesn't even phase him. Has anybody else noticed that? He couldn't care less about the trolls online.

We are yet to see how Max is going to deal with the pressure being ramped up as this season progresses. Let's not forget, Max has not won a single championship since he was a boy on the karting scene. Currently Max is in his honeymoon period riding high on the fact that most drivers don't battle with him with the same aggression that he employs but as we all saw last week, Hamilton is done backing out and he picked the absolute perfect time to change up his racing strategy against Max.

As for the wheel to wheel stuff. People seem to forget that back when Hamilton was the young hot shot on the scene he literally built his reputation on being a Senna-esque wheel to wheel racer. IMO this all began change from about 2015 onwards when the Mercedes produced a boat that was suddenly absolutely atrocious in dirty air despite obviously being fantastic in clean air. The Red Bull has been a far more agile car than the Mercedes for years in this respect. Hamilton doesn't get anywhere near enough credit for making that Mercedes look as racy as he does in the wheel to wheel battles he has with Max. Shame we can't see them in the same car. I wonder how Max would deal with the pressure of facing a world champion teammate, since its never ever happened.

Oh and you mentioned Hamilton's luck in not crashing out but I'm genuinely not sure its not all about luck. Hamilton really does seem to have acquired a bit of a nack for placing his car perfectly to minimize the damage in these situations with other cars. He knows when to brake and how to angle his car just before contact or he'll just avoid the accident altogether. Its not a perfect science of course and he will end up in the wall again at some point but personally when I saw the contact coming I had a feeling he would come out of it better than Max and he did. I wonder how much this will play on Verstappen's mind.

Edited by HarmonicBlade1, 25 July 2021 - 20:41.

[Burtros]

This is actual fiction, maybe just true on this board? which is far less than 1% of F1 fans, as Hamilton has the biggest fanbase and following in F1, and also as shown by his 7xWDC he shown he is actually the man in these situations when it comes to the crunch of winning a title, he's proven that already (He does make a mistake or two during a season but when it comes down to it if the title is there he will grab it..)

A mistake or three you mean?

As per clatter. I was away with my mates at weekend with the local motor club and it’s a heavy topic of conversation. That what I was talking about.

[ForzaFormula]

Lol, calm down. Burtros was talking about himself and his mates who watched the GP with him.

 

Followed on by the universal view and so...

[Ivanhoe]

Followed on by the universal view and so...

The universal view within that group, is clearly what he was talking about.

 

universal

adjective
 

relating to or done by all people or things in the world or in a particular group; applicable to all cases.

[ForzaFormula]

The universal view within that group, is clearly what he was talking about.

 

universal

adjective
 

relating to or done by all people or things in the world or in a particular group; applicable to all cases.

 

This is not how he spelt it, the sentence later went on with the "Universal view" so he could be clearly talking about the "Universal view" as per your post.

Edited by ForzaFormula, 25 July 2021 - 21:03.

[Burtros]

This is not how he spelt it, the sentence later went on with the "Universal view" so he could be clearly talking about the "Universal view" as per your post.

I’m talking about my mates from a motor club in the south west of England. Sat around a bar is on a Saturday night. That’s what I said. That’s what I meant.

Edited by Burtros, 25 July 2021 - 22:06.

[ForzaFormula]

I’m talking about my mates from a motor club in the south west of England. Sat around a bar is on a Saturday night. That’s what I said. That’s what I meant.

Piss poor effort to twist it.

 

Apologies if that is what you meant, however I'm not the only one who read it that way and who can easily ready it that way, thus the reply, apologies anyhow.

[rf90]

And there's a guy with 7 titles, who beat Alonso in his Rookie season.

The good ol' 7 titles argument, such a precious thing to have in a fan armoury :-)

Some, and I include myself, see reasons for 7 titles that a fan wouldn't see or accept. A bit like how I felt when Vettel was racking up 4.

[Ivanhoe]

Posts removed, this topic is about the Verstappen-Hamilton incident, not about flaming one particular driver, whether that is Lewis or Max.

[fitjiffa]

On that corner at that speed its either 'hard right" or 'off track' .The rookie driver in the next car should have known better. The stewards with telemetry data and ex-drivers hold the same view.

 

That doesn't answer my question.

Is it ok for the car on the outside of a bend to turn hard into that bend whether there is a car next to them or not?

[rf90]

I really hope the rest of the season is such that this Silverstone incident, it terms of points lost/gained isn't a factor in the total points of each.

[ClubmanGT]

I really hope the rest of the season is such that this Silverstone incident, it terms of points lost/gained isn't a factor in the total points of each.

 

I strongly suspect this won't be the last race-ending contact between these two. 

[Bliman]

So Max is a cat person. In that case. Hamilton is fully to blame at that speed and with that understeer, he was always going to hit Max. I have never seen someone overtake that way at Copse, it just doesn't work. I bet no one can give me an example like this where it works. Had he had done it in the same way as with LeClerc then all would be fine. I am not saying he did it intentionally but it certainly was a red mist moment. And it was very unsportsmanlike to celebrate when your competitor is in hospital.

Also, Hamilton is a dog person.

[HarmonicBlade1]

I strongly suspect this won't be the last race-ending contact between these two.

Can you clarify that please? Are you saying you expect Max to deliberately crash Hamilton out or are you saying they will probably come together again just through nieither driver backing out, like we saw at Silverstone, when Hamilton beat Max at his own game?

[as65p]

Can you clarify that please? Are you saying you expect Max to deliberately crash Hamilton out or are you saying they will probably come together again just through nieither driver backing out, like we saw at Silverstone, when Hamilton beat Mad Max at his own game?

Despite Hamiltons verbal attempts to claim the higher ground, they both play the same game.  Which ideally is to race hard but not crash. But he one losing out too often, which was Hamilton recently, will be tempted taking it a tiny bit too far next time, which what I think is what happened at Silverstone. And with the offender gaining maximum profit despite being officially judged the main culprit, there's no incentive for either of them to change their approach.

 

So the next clash is kind of inevitable I reckon. Congrats, stewards!

Edited by as65p, 25 July 2021 - 22:55.

[ClubmanGT]

Can you clarify that please? Are you saying you expect Max to deliberately crash Hamilton out or are you saying they will probably come together again just through nieither driver backing out, like we saw at Silverstone, when Hamilton beat Mad Max at his own game?

 

I'm not going to engage with you anymore because if I try and call out your assertions of opinion and revisionism for what it is, my posts will be deleted and it's kind of a waste of my time. 

 

But it's clear that both drivers are prepared to make contact to get an edge and there's a lot of this season yet to go, so logic says that they will find themselves squabbling over the same piece of track at some point. 

[PayasYouRace]

Well we’re a week on, seems that everyone’s had their say. There’s nothing new to add as it’s all done and dusted. Despite attempts to steer things back on track and posts being removed the same old derailments and baiting is happening.

 

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