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[SophieB]

The Hungarian GP begins with Lewis Hamilton on pole. A controversial qualifying that kind of turned out not to be when you pointed the camera the other way can be reviewed here and the pole lap here. Elsewhere, Sainz crashed in Q2 and strong showing for Alpine, making into Q3. Another bad Saturday for Ricciardo, knocked out in Q2 with Norris ending up 6th in Q3. 

 

Everyone except the Mercedes drivers got into Q3 on soft tyres, so Hamilton on Bottas will be starting on mediums, making for an even more critical start than usual around here.
 
This is how the grid shapes up:

 

 

This is when the race starts

 

 

Is it going to rain?

 

Maybe! Thunderstorms in the Budapest area later today:

https://www.metoffic...date=2021-08-01

 

Have fun! It's the last bit of F1 for a while, so enjoy it

 

 

 

[peroa]

Track is green again after heavy rain at night, so a 3 stopper probably won’t be an exception.

[ANF]

The national weather service is predicting a 60 km/h headwind down the main straight. Maybe there will be some actual overtaking.

[SophieB]

There’s F3 on in about an hour, support race fans.

[peroa]

Sunny with light clouds, up to 34 and windy according to yr.no

[kosmos]

All eyes on Bottas

[lewislorenzo]

Can see Lewis getting a bad start unfortunately…

[HuddersfieldTerrier1986]

Apparently heavy rain as well as thunder right now

Edited by HuddersfieldTerrier1986, 01 August 2021 - 07:56.

[SophieB]

F3 could be lively, then.

[P123]

There’s F3 on in about an hour, support race fans.

 

Bloated, boring cars.

 

Oh rain... might be worth a watch for once...!

[SophieB]

@fergieweather

#F1 #BBCF1 #HUNGARIANGP SUN 0850BST: Thunderstorms are crossing the area (latest lightning below, via lightningmaps.org) giving torrential downpours in places; rain also previously affected the circuit early this morning. FIA currently cites risk as 40-60% through the race.

[engineblock1]

Forecast showing 10pc chance of precipitation at race start and 80pc at 16:00 hrs (1h into the race). This could get very juicy. 😉

[Spyker]

Ooooh spicy, a wet race would be a good way to sign off for half term 

[ARTGP]

Weather penalizes Bottas and Perez. Look out for Alonso, Ocon, and Stroll among others (besides MV LH)

Edited by ARTGP, 01 August 2021 - 08:09.

[ARTGP]

The national weather service is predicting a 60 km/h headwind down the main straight. Maybe there will be some actual overtaking.

Ehh....will there be racing in that condition? Lol.

[Spyker]

The national weather service is predicting a 60 km/h headwind down the main straight. Maybe there will be some actual overtaking.

Completely off topic, so I apologise.

 

But wouldn't the solution to the dirty air problem be huge fans around the corners to make the airflow in the corners consistent for the lead and following driver?

[ferenc_k]

The rain is over, but thick clouds around (15 minutes from the track). 

The weather can change very quickly here so anything possible, but I am open for the excitement what a sudden rain can bring to the race. 

[TomNokoe]

I remember in 2018 we had a green track after rain during qualifying. Hamilton on pole starting on the then Ultrasoft tyre, track temp was 57c, and yet it was still a one stop.

But surprise, surprise, the weather has once again thrown a complete spanner in the works, even if it dries up!

[Marklar]

I wonder if this will benefit RB, they clearly didnt liked the conditions so far, plus they generally heat up the tyres quicker than Merc, which should be helpful in the rain.

You could say Imola kinda indicated this, but not sure if this was representative with Hamilton's front wing damage.

[SophieB]

The F3 feature race is starting shortly.

[DaddyCool]

Copying my reply from the build-up:

 

Weather update from yours truly from central Budapest:

 

• Big thunderstorm at dawn
• Sporadic showers in the last couple of hours with varying intensity
• 30+C heat and minimal chance of rain expected for the race
• Currently a mild shower with sunshine

[milestone 11]

Myweather2 now showing no rain at all for this afternoon.

[CHIUNDA]

The F3 feature race is starting shortly.

With rain.

[yolo]

I wonder if this will benefit RB, they clearly didnt liked the conditions so far, plus they generally heat up the tyres quicker than Merc, which should be helpful in the rain.

You could say Imola kinda indicated this, but not sure if this was representative with Hamilton's front wing damage.

The one caveat is that Imola had glacial temps compared to Budapest. The warmer temps today should help Merc get tyres in the window more quickly.

[Anja]

With rain.

 

Already over and the track is drying quickly. 

Edited by Anja, 01 August 2021 - 09:14.

[TomNokoe]

New PU for Verstappen

[TauriJ]

Completely off topic, so I apologise.

 

But wouldn't the solution to the dirty air problem be huge fans around the corners to make the airflow in the corners consistent for the lead and following driver?

You have to be joking...right?

[ARTGP]

Just having a look at the last 6 or 7 years of Hungarian GP starts and it's pretty rare that pole sitter doesn't lead T1 and the 1st lap.  Last time pole sitter lost out was 2015 when Hamilton had an absolute dog of a start and got passed by some cars on lap 1.

[ARTGP]

New PU for Verstappen

 

Well maybe if you ran it hard on bloody friday....

Edited by ARTGP, 01 August 2021 - 09:24.

[JeePee]

I'm afraid Max will either get boxed in at the start, or that Hamilton wi give Bottas his tow, and we'll have a boring race from then on.

Track will be bone dry when F1 starts.

[Redaxo]

According to this there is a good chance of rain/thunderstorms by the end of the race

 

https://weather.com/...e/l/47.51,19.06

 

We all know what this means: Rain during the award ceremony.

[andyscoot]

Well maybe if you ran it hard on bloody friday....

I don't think it matters? He doesn't take a penalty so the trouble comes later on in the season when he takes his 4th PU and takes grid penalties as a result

[statman]

 

[Albert Fabrega] A crack was found after the quali in an area close to the Chasis. Crack could be a consecuence of Silverstone crash. (Reason for change of the PU in Verstappen's car)

[TauriJ]

Thunderstorms are one of the most hardest weather phenomena to predict. But right now looks like 4-5 PM we might get something. 

 

 

 

 

Ian Fergusson

 

@fergieweather

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The key period of concern is from around 4pm-5pm local, when various forecast models bring a thundery line crossing west to east. Hopefully post-race, tbh, as could yield conditions that wouldn't be driveable.

 

 

 

Edited by TauriJ, 01 August 2021 - 09:36.

[JimmyClark]

Yeah with the reduced time limit to 3 hours, a late race thunderstorm would probably end it.

[Ivanhoe]

I don't think it matters? He doesn't take a penalty so the trouble comes later on in the season when he takes his 4th PU and takes grid penalties as a result

They did take the risk of a PU failure during quali.

[MortenF1]

I wonder if this will benefit RB, they clearly didnt liked the conditions so far, plus they generally heat up the tyres quicker than Merc, which should be helpful in the rain.

You could say Imola kinda indicated this, but not sure if this was representative with Hamilton's front wing damage.

Wasn’t Hamilton eating into Verstappen’s lead quite rapidly in the wet in Imola?

It’s definitely a little bit of an unknown now with the track being green again. I mean on slicks.

[tourister46a]

Can see Lewis getting a bad start unfortunately…

 

Can't be predicted. You only feel that way because you are a Lewis fan (presumably), not sure what this psychological effect is called.

[renzmann]

New PU for Verstappen

Unbelievable what one crash can do:

 - Instead of leading the championship by 40ish points, it's an 8 point lead.

 - Roundabout 1.5 million $

 - Bungling with an inferior PU next weekend, likely having a bearing on quali results

 - Being forced to use a PU that's not calibrated in the next race

 - A likely penalty later on in the season

[Heyli]

Wasn’t Hamilton eating into Verstappen’s lead quite rapidly in the wet in Imola?

It’s definitely a little bit of an unknown now with the track being green again. I mean on slicks.

Yeah, after the tyres heated up properly. I think that was generally the difference between the 2. Merc needed longer to get the heat in (especially difficult at the start obviously), but at the time could also run it longer. Who knows where they stand now.

[FirstnameLastname]

Hamilton motivated yesterday by singing YMCA in the car… brilliant stuff

Young men, there’s no need to feel down…

[yolo]

Unbelievable what one crash can do:
- Instead of leading the championship by 40ish points, it's an 8 point lead.
- Roundabout 1.5 million $
- Bungling with an inferior PU next weekend, likely having a bearing on quali results
- Being forced to use a PU that's not calibrated in the next race
- A likely penalty later on in the season

I’m tired of the Silverstone incident being brought up.

At the end of the day if PU2 is salvageable, then it’s only costing 1 race’s worth of mileage on PU3 as I’m pretty sure Merc will introduce PU3 next race.

[JimmyClark]

Unbelievable what one crash can do:
- Instead of leading the championship by 40ish points, it's an 8 point lead.
- Roundabout 1.5 million $
- Bungling with an inferior PU next weekend, likely having a bearing on quali results
- Being forced to use a PU that's not calibrated in the next race
- A likely penalty later on in the season

It is a bit mad, especially as had the crash happened in the sprint, Red Bull would have got the budget "back".

Maybe there needs to be an allowance of one big wreck a year per driver in the budget limit that they can add to their allowance if it happens.

[TauriJ]

Unbelievable what one crash can do:

 - Instead of leading the championship by 40ish points, it's an 8 point lead.

 - Roundabout 1.5 million $

 - Bungling with an inferior PU next weekend, likely having a bearing on quali results

 - Being forced to use a PU that's not calibrated in the next race

 - A likely penalty later on in the season

Yeah, Max should have been more careful.

[BRK]

I see a pattern with Hamilton, not the first time he has had incidents with drivers leading the race or championship, is it? Rosberg in 2016, Albon a couple of times 2019-2020, Sebastian in 2018, Max in 2021. 

 

Then the slowing the Red Bulls down in the pitlane act yesterday. One wonders if Albon was right in his characterization of Hamilton as a sore loser..

[OO7]

Unbelievable what one crash can do:

 - Instead of leading the championship by 40ish points, it's an 8 point lead.

 - Roundabout 1.5 million $

 - Bungling with an inferior PU next weekend, likely having a bearing on quali results

 - Being forced to use a PU that's not calibrated in the next race

 - A likely penalty later on in the season

The engine and gearbox penalty rules are pretty annoying.  The PUs should be cheaper, but teams should be able to use as many as they want.  Specifications should be limited to 3 or 4 per year and engine modes should be managed like they currently are.

[ARTGP]

I’m tired of the Silverstone incident being brought up.

At the end of the day if PU2 is salvageable, then it’s only costing 1 race’s worth of mileage on PU3 as I’m pretty sure Merc will introduce PU3 next race.

 

I don't see where the Silverstone incident is brought up. Only it's consequences.

 

As for PU2, there's a crack in it. I'm no expert, but it's a write off.

Edited by ARTGP, 01 August 2021 - 09:53.

[Heyli]

I’m tired of the Silverstone incident being brought up.

At the end of the day if PU2 is salvageable, then it’s only costing 1 race’s worth of mileage on PU3 as I’m pretty sure Merc will introduce PU3 next race.

Yeah, I would be grateful if we can put that behind us as well. We can always come back to it after abu dhabi if needed ;).

 

It's done, it sucks and it's part of F1. Wonderful if it works in favour of your driver, annoying if it works against you. It is what it is. I think the Hamilton fans have had there own share of frustration as well (2016 springs to mind). For sure somebody will pop in now saying this is not comparible, but it is what it is. Lets hope for a wonderful race in Hungary and I hope Verstappen can still go into the summer break as the leader (although I fear he wont).

 

Either way, there will still be plenty to fight for in the 2nd half of the season.

[TauriJ]

 

Maybe there needs to be an allowance of one big wreck a year per driver in the budget limit that they can add to their allowance if it happens.

We dont want drivers crashing on purpose.

[ARTGP]

We dont want drivers crashing on purpose.

 

No one is that suicidal...