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2021 24 Hours of Le Mans (Now August 21st!)


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#1 ezequiel

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Posted 17 August 2021 - 10:49

Entry list and other info here

I can't seem to find a spotter guide yet, though you can see a test day gallery here

You can follow the results here

 

EDIT: also the Road to Le Mans is featured as support act. It's valid for the Michelin Le Mans Cup championship (usual feeder series to the ELMS) although instead of the usual 2 hour single race we get 2x55 minute races. 35 LMP3s (mostly Ligiers and Duqueines but there's and ADESS from and Australian team too!) and 11 GT3 have been entered. Race 1 is on Thursday but it's not usually broadcasted on TV/YouTube (not even tape recorded I think). Race 2 is on Saturday before the big show and should be on YouTube.

 

Road to Le Mans entry list (some interesting names here including Pacific F1 duo extraordinaire Andrea Montermini and Jean-Denis Deletraz!)


Edited by ezequiel, 17 August 2021 - 11:26.


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#2 Ben1445

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Posted 17 August 2021 - 10:53

ezequiel to the rescue

#3 BRG

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Posted 17 August 2021 - 11:00

The biggest question must be - now that F1, FE, IndyCars and NASCAR have all had comically messy races in the last couple of week, can and will the WEC join in the fun?  Major shunt at Mulsanne Corner takes out all the leading cars, the remaing LMP2s all suffer delays, and the race is won by the all-female LMGTE-Am Aston Martin entry.



#4 FLB

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Posted 17 August 2021 - 11:04

The biggest question must be - now that F1, FE, IndyCars and NASCAR have all had comically messy races in the last couple of week, can and will the WEC join in the fun?  Major shunt at Mulsanne Corner takes out all the leading cars, the remaing LMP2s all suffer delays, and the race is won by the all-female LMGTE-Am Aston Martin entry.

A controversy surrounding Glickenhaus and the ensuing fun on social media? The ACO finding a way to make Toyota win even if they have a bad race?



#5 ARTGP

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Posted 17 August 2021 - 11:08

Highly unlikely. Everybody knows you can't win a 24 hours race in the first corner. Also, overtaking is quite easy if your car is quicker. I don't expect lap 1 drama.


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#6 krapmeister

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Posted 17 August 2021 - 11:17

Yes Le Mans!  :clap:  :clap:  :clap:

 

Meteo France is predicting a bit of weather over the weekend (although don't seem particularly confident in their predictions):

 

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#7 BRG

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Posted 17 August 2021 - 11:36

Highly unlikely. Everybody knows you can't win a 24 hours race in the first corner. Also, overtaking is quite easy if your car is quicker. I don't expect lap 1 drama.

I will hold you to this!   What everyone knows is often forgotten in the heat of the moment.  It would only take one ' Bottas moment' to remove the entire hypercar class!



#8 thegamer23

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Posted 17 August 2021 - 11:54

Rooting for Glickenhaus this year.

They showed promising things in Monza: Le Mans is kind of a similar track, but they need to sort out their reliability issues.

 

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#9 Bleu

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Posted 17 August 2021 - 13:02

I will hold you to this!   What everyone knows is often forgotten in the heat of the moment.  It would only take one ' Bottas moment' to remove the entire hypercar class!

 

But if anyone can make it to the pits, even with lengthy repairs it's not impossible to win, as seen in 2017.



#10 Viryfan

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Posted 17 August 2021 - 13:32

But if anyone can make it to the pits, even with lengthy repairs it's not impossible to win, as seen in 2017.


Yup i agree but now the gap between lmh and lmp2 is way way smaller than 2017.

Gap in pure pace back then was over 10 seconds per lap, nowdays it's more 4 or 5 seconds per lap imo.

#11 TomNokoe

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Posted 17 August 2021 - 13:35

I'll be supporting the #41 LMP2 Team WRT. Deletraz-Kubica-Ye

 

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They are very low on Le Mans experience. Deletraz raced for Rebellion last year, whilst it will be Kubica and Yifei Ye's debut!

 

They entered ELMS this year and have been super quick. My support is mainly because of Kubica. I really want to see him succeed after struggling in F1 and DTM. But Yifei Ye is also really interesting - a young Chinese driver who dominated Euroformula last year.

 

It's also the team's first-ever Le Mans after racing basically everything else endurance. A really exciting lineup who have entered the LMP2 scene with a bang! Already 3rd during the test day :cat:

 

Team WRT are also running the #31 LMP2 of Frijns-Milesi-Habsburg.


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#12 SilverArrow31

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Posted 17 August 2021 - 13:44

I don't think those amazing spotters guides are produced anymore  :cry:



#13 Dan333SP

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Posted 17 August 2021 - 13:55

The Glickenhaus, Rebellion, and Toyota were all extremely close in laptimes at the test day. Glick was fastest, but apparently the GR010 had the best "ideal" lap and the Rebellion had the fastest times in the 1st 2 sectors. Bodes well for this weekend, but I must say I'm looking forward to the day when we don't have 30 ORECAs racing each other. Even the Rebellion is just a beefed up ORECA. Only variety are the 4 true LMH cars and a sole Ligier. 



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Posted 17 August 2021 - 14:09

I don't think those amazing spotters guides are produced anymore  :cry:

Andy Blackmore who does the spotter guides, said last year that he wouldn't be doing one for Le Mans from this year on. He went on to say that too many of the teams were not supportive and refused to give him information.

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Posted 17 August 2021 - 14:11

I'll be supporting the United Autosport's grandfathered Alpine, no 36. In fact, I'll be supporting everyone with the exception of numbers 7 and 8.

Edited by milestone 11, 17 August 2021 - 14:13.


#16 red stick

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Posted 17 August 2021 - 14:23

So many great stories.  A Glickenhaus win is probably too much to hope for, but it would be nice if they can at least battle all the way through.



#17 Anja

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Posted 17 August 2021 - 14:24

Is there anyone who will root for the Toyotas?  :p



#18 red stick

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Posted 17 August 2021 - 14:27

Is there anyone who will root for the Toyotas?  :p

If it comes down to the Toyotas, I'd like to see Conway win.  So, sort of.    ;)



#19 Myrvold

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Posted 17 August 2021 - 14:28

Andy Blackmore who does the spotter guides, said last year that he wouldn't be doing one for Le Mans from this year on. He went on to say that too many of the teams were not supportive and refused to give him information.

 

I find it amazing how racing teams who lives and breathes due to sponsors and PR keeps shooting themselves in the foot like this.



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#20 MrAerodynamicist

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Posted 17 August 2021 - 14:31

 

They obviously don't have the proper camera-person crew in place so it's all static shots but it ends up feeling cinematic...



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Posted 17 August 2021 - 14:32

A controversy surrounding Glickenhaus and the ensuing fun on social media? The ACO finding a way to make Toyota win even if they have a bad race?

Given that the ACO and FIA aren't having to keep LMP1 going now that we're into the LMH era, do we think they'll feel that they have to try to help Toyota win again?

 

Anyway, I don't mind if the #7 car wins, as I think they deserve some of the rub of the green that the #8 has had this past three years, though I'd love to see a Gllickenhaus win as I love an enthusiastic privateer.



#22 Myrvold

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Posted 17 August 2021 - 14:33

Yes Le Mans!  :clap:  :clap:  :clap:

 

Meteo France is predicting a bit of weather over the weekend (although don't seem particularly confident in their predictions):

 

 

YR is showing some sporadic rain Saturday evening -> Sunday morning (and some sporadic rain the whole week tbf). yr.no

 

I will also host a 2.4hrs race in rFactor 2 on Sunday evening, with full day-night-day circle and real live weather. The weather service that is used in terms of forecasting and data-gathering to put in the actual real weather to the game is tomorrow.io, they also show a chance of rain from Saturday evening to Sunday morning. Scroll down to see hourly forecast for the race-time here

 

Rooting for Glickenhaus this year.

 

I was too. Until the whole "this wasn't about simracing, even though I doubled down and mentioned simracing specifically"  stuff that happened.



#23 Dan333SP

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Posted 17 August 2021 - 14:34

Why does everyone hate Toyota so much? They're the only manufacturer who stuck with LMP1 till the end, and the first to race an LMH. I got bored of the WEC domination the last few years too, but the sport is a better place with them in it. I do want Glick to win, but it's not like Toyota won't deserve it when they inevitably prevail. 



#24 cpbell

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Posted 17 August 2021 - 14:35

Andy Blackmore who does the spotter guides, said last year that he wouldn't be doing one for Le Mans from this year on. He went on to say that too many of the teams were not supportive and refused to give him information.

Sad news.



#25 cpbell

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Posted 17 August 2021 - 14:47

Why does everyone hate Toyota so much? They're the only manufacturer who stuck with LMP1 till the end, and the first to race an LMH. I got bored of the WEC domination the last few years too, but the sport is a better place with them in it. I do want Glick to win, but it's not like Toyota won't deserve it when they inevitably prevail. 

I don't hate them at all, just would like to see another crew win the race other than the #8 Toyota. :)



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Posted 17 August 2021 - 15:17

Given that the ACO and FIA aren't having to keep LMP1 going now that we're into the LMH era, do we think they'll feel that they have to try to help Toyota win again?

Anyway, I don't mind if the #7 car wins, as I think they deserve some of the rub of the green that the #8 has had this past three years, though I'd love to see a Gllickenhaus win as I love an enthusiastic privateer.


Yes. I have absolutely no doubt that Toyota have been massively sandbagging with this new car and will easily cruise to a win. They probably won’t take off the sandbags until halfway through the night, but it’ll happen eventually.

#27 Myrvold

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Posted 17 August 2021 - 15:19

Why does everyone hate Toyota so much? They're the only manufacturer who stuck with LMP1 till the end, and the first to race an LMH. I got bored of the WEC domination the last few years too, but the sport is a better place with them in it. I do want Glick to win, but it's not like Toyota won't deserve it when they inevitably prevail. 

 

I guess because there was a feeling that in many races they didn't actually race. Even though it was a Toyota-Cup.



#28 ezequiel

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Posted 17 August 2021 - 15:27

If it comes down to the Toyotas, I'd like to see Conway win.  So, sort of.    ;)

Conway, Kobayashi and Lopez have been the quickest car for the last two years, they deserve some luck!



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Posted 17 August 2021 - 15:45

I find it amazing how racing teams who lives and breathes due to sponsors and PR keeps shooting themselves in the foot like this.

Yep, quite absurd.

#30 Anja

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Posted 17 August 2021 - 15:48

Why does everyone hate Toyota so much? They're the only manufacturer who stuck with LMP1 till the end, and the first to race an LMH. I got bored of the WEC domination the last few years too, but the sport is a better place with them in it. I do want Glick to win, but it's not like Toyota won't deserve it when they inevitably prevail. 

 

I don't think anyone actually hates Toyota. But personally I find it hard to root for a team which had no actual competition for the last three years (and arguably still doesn't).



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Posted 17 August 2021 - 15:50

Thanks for the thread ez.
My hotel has the Motor Trend channel but I hear it’s only the web stream of Motor Trend that has the race. Hope to catch as much as possible.

Jp

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Posted 17 August 2021 - 15:51

Alonso & Ocon to drive the Alpine F1 car before the race

 

https://www.f1actu.c...ux-24h-du-mans/

 

Monza-aero like setup?  :smoking:


Edited by thegamer23, 17 August 2021 - 15:51.


#33 thegamer23

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Posted 17 August 2021 - 16:01

For those who were asking..

 

Unofficial Spotter Guide   :up:  :up: 

https://spotters.gui..._Le_Mans_V1.pdf

 

(download in HD full resolution, worth it!)

Also i raccomend to check out the website for more spotter guides

https://spotters.guide
 

Low definition Preview

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#34 cpbell

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Posted 17 August 2021 - 16:03

I don't think anyone actually hates Toyota. But personally I find it hard to root for a team which had no actual competition for the last three years (and arguably still doesn't).

I sometimes wonder why people seem defensive or passive-aggressive when others support the underdog rather than the currently very successful team with massive resources.  Might be because, being British, I tend to like to see the underdog win, but I find myself contemplating the possibility that those who seem incredulous that others could support somone other than the most likely winner feel somehow that they deserve to win simply because their past achievements have bought them the right to continued success, or,at least, the expectation of it and the automatic support of fans.  Without wanting to bring a political argument into the thread (I'm only mentioning it as a means of explaining my point) it reminds me of the thought in US politics that wanting to tax the 1% harder than at present is wrong as it is seen as an attempt to counterbalance success, and that the morally-correct approach is to reward that success by making it easier for the person in question to continue being successful.  By that argument, Toyota, by winning the last three Le Mans 24H, have earned the right to have the ACO increase their performance advantage by means of the regulations.  That goes against very ingrained British ideas of fairness and "playing the game" to borrow an idea from cricket.



#35 cpbell

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Posted 17 August 2021 - 16:05

For those who were asking..

 

Unofficial Spotter Guide   :up:  :up: 

https://spotters.gui..._Le_Mans_V1.pdf

 

(download in HD full resolution, worth it!)

Also i raccomend to check out the website for more spotter guides

https://spotters.guide
 

Low definition Preview

 

 

 

Cheers!



#36 red stick

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Posted 17 August 2021 - 16:49

Thanks for the thread ez.
My hotel has the Motor Trend channel but I hear it’s only the web stream of Motor Trend that has the race. Hope to catch as much as possible.
Jp

My cable channel guide shows the Motor Trend TV channel running the entire race.

#37 jonpollak

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Posted 17 August 2021 - 17:54

Woo Hoo !!!!
I was worried because all they show now are those bs chop, cut, crisis, rebuild shows.

Thanks for the good news rs
Jp

#38 ANF

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Posted 17 August 2021 - 18:37

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Custom car number typefaces and designs? What a disgrace!



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Posted 17 August 2021 - 18:48

 

The night of Le Mans is pure magic!

 



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Posted 18 August 2021 - 05:07

FP1 today. Looking forward,... 



#41 KWSN - DSM

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Posted 18 August 2021 - 07:53

I am on the LMP2 # 49 Magnussen and Fjordbach bandwagon.



#42 Chillimeister

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Posted 18 August 2021 - 08:56

I guess because there was a feeling that in many races they didn't actually race. Even though it was a Toyota-Cup.

 

I don't think anyone actually hates Toyota. But personally I find it hard to root for a team which had no actual competition for the last three years (and arguably still doesn't).

 

I feel I should point out that it wasn't Toyota's fault that VW Group cancelled its WEC involvement for all its brands after Dieselgate so they were left with no-one to race. That said, it would be nice to see another entry win for a change. Even if that's rather unlikely.



#43 Myrvold

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Posted 18 August 2021 - 09:02

I feel I should point out that it wasn't Toyota's fault that VW Group cancelled its WEC involvement for all its brands after Dieselgate so they were left with no-one to race. That said, it would be nice to see another entry win for a change. Even if that's rather unlikely.

I don't blame them for being virtually alone. Nor do I blame them for having a ruleset that gave them a guaranteed advantage (v the non-hybrid privateers). What I do blame them for, is not letting their cars race properly in an effort to secure a 1-2 at a lot of races. It only takes two cars to make a proper race, but they werent allowed to.



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Posted 18 August 2021 - 09:03

Okay I've been totally off the loop on this and only just realised there's just 5 cars on the main category??? Seriously??? Even GTE Pro looks mildly disappointing with only 8 cars.
 
I guess everyone will be watching LMP2 instead? Le Mans is Le Mans whatever happens and I'll watch but that just put a massive downer on my excitement for this years race.


#45 Ben1445

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Posted 18 August 2021 - 09:09

Yeah still a couple more years to see the full benefit of the LMH/LMDh influx 

 

I'll be mainly following LMP2 because it's sure to be good racing, but LMP1 should be more interesting than last year. I just suspect a lot of it may come down to reliability and potentially make it quite attritional. 

 

I've never really been interested in the GTE side of things, Pro or Am. For me the sooner those classes see some reform the better. 



#46 Dara

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Posted 18 August 2021 - 09:20

How can we watch the race live? The official app? I'm willing to pay by the way.

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Posted 18 August 2021 - 11:10

Okay I've been totally off the loop on this and only just realised there's just 5 cars on the main category??? Seriously??? Even GTE Pro looks mildly disappointing with only 8 cars.

I guess everyone will be watching LMP2 instead? Le Mans is Le Mans whatever happens and I'll watch but that just put a massive downer on my excitement for this years race.

2 factory Vettes, Porsche, and Ferrari in GTE Pro will be more than sufficient to keep things interesting.

Of course the hype isn’t as big as 2023, but hopefully Glickenhaus can compete at the front.

Edited by ARTGP, 18 August 2021 - 11:10.


#48 FLB

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Posted 18 August 2021 - 11:18

How can we watch the race live? The official app? I'm willing to pay by the way.

There you go!

 

https://www.24h-lema...-the-race-55333

 

http://www.dailyspor...m-revealed.html


Edited by FLB, 18 August 2021 - 11:18.


#49 Chillimeister

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Posted 18 August 2021 - 12:16

I don't blame them for being virtually alone. Nor do I blame them for having a ruleset that gave them a guaranteed advantage (v the non-hybrid privateers). What I do blame them for, is not letting their cars race properly in an effort to secure a 1-2 at a lot of races. It only takes two cars to make a proper race, but they werent allowed to.

 

What you say is absolutely true, but it goes to the heart of high-level professional motorsport. The likes of Toyota and Mercedes sadly (also Audi and Porsche when they were involved) don't race to provide entertainment for the fans - they do it for a combination of furthering and proving automotive technology and (hopefully) for the kudos and marketing benefits in their core car sales business that winning brings. They'll take a stage managed 1-2 over a thrilling race between their cars that results in one or both not finishing every time. That's why one-make racing series often provide the most watchable racing.



#50 ezequiel

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Posted 18 August 2021 - 12:42

Practice 1 is live now (live timing here)

 

The fastest LMP2 in 3.29 already :stoned:, that's as quick as the hypercars are expected to be