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Verstappen Vs Hamilton Monza 2021


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Poll: Verstappen vs Hamilton Monza 2021 (698 member(s) have cast votes)

Who was at fault?

  1. Verstappen (286 votes [40.97%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 40.97%

  2. Hamilton (100 votes [14.33%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 14.33%

  3. Racing incident (312 votes [44.70%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 44.70%

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#1 IrvTheSwerve

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Posted 12 September 2021 - 13:44

Fill yer boots.  :lol:



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#2 Scaboo22

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Posted 12 September 2021 - 13:45

Hamilton left no space.
Max was too optimistic.
*ducks*

#3 Disgrace

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Posted 12 September 2021 - 13:45

Neither gave an inch, it was inevitable.



#4 Scotracer

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Posted 12 September 2021 - 13:45

Made me laugh anyway.

#5 MJB5990

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Posted 12 September 2021 - 13:45

Max 100%.

He's never all the way alongside. Unlike Lewis on lap 1.

#6 PayasYouRace

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Posted 12 September 2021 - 13:45

Made me laugh anyway.

Me too.



#7 cheekybru

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Posted 12 September 2021 - 13:46

Max 100% ridiculous move

#8 Montie

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Posted 12 September 2021 - 13:47

Saw it coming. But it’s a racing incident.

#9 Marklar

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Posted 12 September 2021 - 13:47

Hamilton gave enough space, just. Max went too hot in, but the contact created a bigger incident than it deserved.

I wouldnt penalize him though.



#10 Requiem84

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Posted 12 September 2021 - 13:47

I think this one is on Max.

I expect a grid penalty for the next race.

#11 Lipp

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Posted 12 September 2021 - 13:47

If you no longer go for a gap....



#12 sabjit

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Posted 12 September 2021 - 13:47

Max's fault, Hamilton only defended the same as Max did on lap 1



#13 TheFish

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Posted 12 September 2021 - 13:47

Max’s fault. Should have bailed like he made Lewis do on lap 1.

#14 PayasYouRace

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Posted 12 September 2021 - 13:47

Very much the definition of a racing incident. Two drivers, and only room for one.



#15 cheekybru

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Posted 12 September 2021 - 13:47

Max will get a grid penalty that won't mean anything because he will change engine at same time

#16 Kev00

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Posted 12 September 2021 - 13:47

I don’t think Lewis did anything wrong. I think it was fine for Max to go for that but the nature of the corner just makes it all a mess. Just one of those comedy moments

#17 Diablobb81

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Posted 12 September 2021 - 13:48

Racing incident between two hot heads. Great entertainment.

#18 ensign14

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Posted 12 September 2021 - 13:48

Verstappen shoved Hamilton off on lap 1 and didn't get a penalty.  Unlike Ocon on Vettel.

 

This is always going to happen when Verstappen doesn't get penalties for driving like a ****.  Send the thug back to Belgium for a month.



#19 flingsofdeon

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Posted 12 September 2021 - 13:48

Fill yer boots. :lol:


I reckon this’ll get to 50 pages by tomorrow evening

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#20 peroa

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Posted 12 September 2021 - 13:48

Max 100%.

He's never all the way alongside. Unlike Lewis on lap 1.


Yep, and instead of avoiding the incident as HAM did, he kept his foot in.

#21 SenorSjon

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Posted 12 September 2021 - 13:48

I wouldn't touch it with a large pole if I was a steward.

If you try it, you couldn't replicate such a bounce of the tires/kerbs.

#22 NewMrMe

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Posted 12 September 2021 - 13:49

Hamilton defended in exactly the same way Max defended the Rosier chicane on lap 1.

 

So either.

- Both defensive moves were harsh but fair and Max should have backed out the same way Hamilton did on lap one.

- Or both have been unduly aggressive in their defending and both warrant some form of action,


Edited by NewMrMe, 12 September 2021 - 13:49.


#23 Fastcake

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Posted 12 September 2021 - 13:49

I blame the sausage kerb.

#24 A3

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Posted 12 September 2021 - 13:49

Thank god for the halo.

#25 Scotracer

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Posted 12 September 2021 - 13:49

I think this one is on Max.

I expect a grid penalty for the next race.


It's a legitimate overtaking location. Racing incident but towards Hamilton not leaving enough space.

#26 JHSingo

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Posted 12 September 2021 - 13:49

Here we go again...  :lol:



#27 Ev0d3vil

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Posted 12 September 2021 - 13:49

Good luck mods, 100 pages for this till Russia.



#28 pacificquay

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Posted 12 September 2021 - 13:49

Shades of Monza 1995 in terms of the drama.

 

Probably a racing incident.



#29 George Costanza

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Posted 12 September 2021 - 13:49

Racing incident. But I think Max just got a little too ambitious there. The accident was like Michael Schumacher and Damon Hill in 1994.

Edited by George Costanza, 12 September 2021 - 13:52.


#30 Scaboo22

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Posted 12 September 2021 - 13:49

Lewis gave 0 space, Max was bound to touch the bumpers and get catapulted into LH. Both won’t give an inch so this will happen at least once more until the end of the season.

Great entertainment though, this is how a real rivalry unfolds.

#31 Marklar

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Posted 12 September 2021 - 13:49

I blame the kerb



#32 Clrnc

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Posted 12 September 2021 - 13:50

Racing incident. Both tried their best to avoid each other.

#33 peroa

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Posted 12 September 2021 - 13:50

Hamilton gave enough space, just. Max went too hot in, but the contact created a bigger incident than it deserved.

I wouldnt penalize him though.


Why not? he oculd’ve avoided the incident like Lew did on lap 1.

#34 Pits

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Posted 12 September 2021 - 13:50

I say it's a race incident, but if any it's Lewis who could have given some more space.

Max earned some more space there



#35 geralt

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Posted 12 September 2021 - 13:50

Racing incident 100%, Max went for an optimistic move but that's his right.


Edited by geralt, 12 September 2021 - 14:31.


#36 KeithD68

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Posted 12 September 2021 - 13:50

Max at fault clear as day

 

There is only a single racing line through that right left corner, the idea Lewis should leave room for 2 cars is plain stupid


Edited by KeithD68, 12 September 2021 - 13:53.


#37 Astandahl

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Posted 12 September 2021 - 13:50

More on Max than Lewis this time.



#38 MJB5990

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Posted 12 September 2021 - 13:50

Max should have been cutting T2 like Lewis cut T5.

#39 TheFish

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Posted 12 September 2021 - 13:50

Hamilton defended in exactly the same way Max defended the Rosier chicane on lap 1.

So either.
- Both defensive moves were harsh but fair and Max should have backed out the same way Hamilton did on lap one.
- Or both have been unduly aggressive in their defending and both warrant some form of action,


Given the stewards did nothing on lap 1, the answer by consistency should be the first option.

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#40 Ali_G

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Posted 12 September 2021 - 13:50

Racing incident. The curbing made it look crazy.

#41 Lennat

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Posted 12 September 2021 - 13:50

Looked like Max's fault at a first glance, but after a few replays it does look like Lewis should have left a bit more space.

#42 Disgrace

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Posted 12 September 2021 - 13:50

Pretty funny that it took both pit crews to make a mess of their pitstops by just the perfect amounts to put them together on track. Bravo to all.



#43 PlatenGlass

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Posted 12 September 2021 - 13:51

It was the same as the other way round on lap 1. So no big deal. Racing incident.

#44 F1 Mike

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Posted 12 September 2021 - 13:51

The kerb didn't help, but the bad pitstop definitely gave max the red mist a little as well I suspect

#45 Jordan44

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Posted 12 September 2021 - 13:51

Probably a racing incident, any other time he would have gone across the sausage kerb and been fine however the way he bounced across it caused the incident.

#46 peroa

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Posted 12 September 2021 - 13:51

It was the same as the other way round on lap 1. So no big deal. Racing incident.

It wasn’t really, HAM cut the chicane to avoid an incident like this.

#47 Currahee

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Posted 12 September 2021 - 13:52


Both not giving an inch. As racing should be. Racing incident for me.

#48 absinthedude

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Posted 12 September 2021 - 13:52

Max was never ahead, barely alongside so was Lewis at any point obliged to leave space? 

 

Just glad Hamilton is OK after that. Possibly a life saved by the halo. That was scary. 

 

Ultimately probably a racing incident. Neither driver wanted to cede. But I reckon Max could have done more to avoid contact.



#49 SenorSjon

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Posted 12 September 2021 - 13:52

I blame the kerb


I would give the kerb a penalty.

Will the 18 inchers bounce less?

#50 276159

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Posted 12 September 2021 - 13:52

Verstappen shoved Hamilton off on lap 1 and didn't get a penalty. Unlike Ocon on Vettel.

This is always going to happen when Verstappen doesn't get penalties for driving like a ****. Send the thug back to Belgium for a month.


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