129 replies to this topic

[nick105]

For the cars i think Bruce Jones and Chris Drewitt do a good job. Martin Haven is a good commentator but i agree his historic knowledge is lacking. Personally i find i soon tire of Marcus Pye despite his extensive knowledge - i prefer Ian Titchmarsh. i thought Kevin Turner did a fine job when he was on duty  a few years ago. I would far rather have MH,BJ & CD than Ben Edwards or Toby Moody and their 'pants on fire' style of commentary. I recall Sam Hancock has been a very competent '2nd' commentator but he is usually rather busy  with driving duties 

[ensign14]

A smorgasbord of Moss tribute cars, including a rare Lister-Bristol, HWM, OSCA, a trials special, a Cooper-MG with some rather stringent security, and Simon Taylor wishing he had brought a balaclava...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

(^ think this Cooper-Alta is unique?)

 

 

 

[Paulleek]

Methinks Andrew assumes too much.  I only missed Revival due to family health concerns.  And mention of 'remuneration' comes as a hitherto overlooked revelation...!     

 

DCN

 

We started our Revival at the cricket match as usual Doug, and wondered why you weren't behind the stumps as usual...maybe see you at the Members Meeting?

[Stephen W]

Watched the Sunday ITV highlights show last night and I concur with other comments about Martin Havers whose lack of knowledge knows no depths.

 

ITV 4 have now started a series of highlights which is mopping up the events they didn't cover in the "live" shows.

[Doug Nye]

Please don't remind me I missed the cricket...and the 7-10 days it took thereafter before I could comfortably walk upright again...and the hairline spiral leg fracture one year, and the chipped cheekbone and black eye another...and...

 

Hmmm - maybe it's for the best?

 

DCN

[ensign14]

Evolution...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[cooper997]

Brilliant! Thanks ensign

 

 

Stephen

[Roger Clark]

The light green V16 looks great but it represents a single race, the 1952 International Trophy at Silverstone. It was the first race for the blister over the radiator and the last before they were painted dark green. The two cars had the blisters painted contrasting colours for identification purposes. 

[cooper997]

Here's Car and Drivers take on the Revival complete with 20 photos. One shows the Rover-BRM on circuit.

 

https://www.caranddr...al-cars-images/

 

Stephen

[retriever]

 

Diamond T 980/981. Arguably one of the the most handsome of trucks built.  We published a 256 page history on the typesome 15 years ago under our Roundoak imprint. If you see a copy on the second hand market, buy it.

Edited by retriever, 31 October 2021 - 16:29.

[Gary C]

I seem to remember that Team Lotus stalwart Bob Dance used to own a Diamond T.

[Macca]

A few final reflections, from watching the live stream and seeing photos.

 

I agree about Martin Haven; also 'Too Tall' Ed is a bit awkward and stilted with his post-race interviews.

 

It was good to see Robs Lamplough at the finish line and thanked by the driver of his winning BRM P25; I presume he has now sold all his other cars (Lotus 33, BRM P133, Lotus 35-BRM, etc.) and his planes.

 

The Moss parade was splendid and very complete, and the BRMs look good; was there a 1962-63 P578 there? It seems strange not to have an example of the most successful model ever. (and no sign of Vol.4... ) The P139, of course, was only in that configuration with side-exhaust 4-valve engine for two races in early 1970, the SAGP and RoC driven by George Eaton....who I hope was interviewed for his recollections for Vol.4. 

 

There was a distinct lack of Ferraris; no GTOs or LMBs or 250TRs any more, presumably due to value, and I don't know how many of the SWBs were genuine, as even they are being created from GTEs or from scratch nowadays.

 

The hot Cobras, as someone said, appear to be stretching things more and more with lowered rooflines and suspension, but at least there weren't any recreated Daytonas such as were racing at the British GP meeting GT race race.

 

 

With the extra saloon race for Minis, there was no race for early 1950s single-seaters, so there were just a couple of Cooper-Bristols (OK, three) in the Richmond Trophy, and also no mid-engined Coopers; there are plenty of cars to fill two separate races but I suppose one-make Minis are better TV...

 

Now it's only a couple of weeks to the MM,  and a couple of rear-engined FJs were out amongst the Revival testing last month, I noticed.

 

This one is said to be the Monza bet-winning ex-Arundell car

 

This one had Jim Clark's name on it, but I doubt he ever drove a 27, even in testing.

 

and this isn't a Lotus, or even a Yamura though it looks like one

 

Paul M

[GazChed]

Number 75 is the Morton family Lightning Envoyette.

[cooper997]

BMW Group Goodwood Revival YT with John Cooper's grandson, Charlie chatting.

 

 

 

Stephen

[john aston]

I will put in a good word for tall Ed . He may lack the polish of some commentators - eg Marcus Pye, Ian Titchmarsh and Mark Werrell - but like the late Henry Hope Frost he sounds like 'one of of us '. In other words the normal bloke conveying his enthusiasm about the sport  he obviously loves . I enjoy his Motor Sport podcasts too - unlike some of his peers he doesn't try to make the shows about himself  .I had a chat with Ed at Silverstone in August  and he seemed a thoroughly decent chap . 

[Doug Nye]

Spot on.  He is.  

 

DCN

[sabrejet]

In defence of Ed Foster, I have to say I don't have any issue with his style at all: he doesn't come across as a know-all; he is nicely unobtrusive (a rare talent these days) and I actually like him being part of the occasion. It must be nigh-on impossible to think of fresh questions in a post-race interview and he does a fine job of it in my book.

[Alan Cox]

Barry the motor-cycle commentator is a very knowledgeable and engaging good bloke - while his basic commentary style did trigger the affectionate nickname 'Buster Blood-Vessel'.

 

DCN

I agree Doug, Barry is a really top bloke when it comes to motorcycle commentary. And he made a fair fist of the four-wheeler races he stood in for (not sure why he was called on for those).

I also agree about the absence of Marcus on commentary. He knows today's historic scene inside out, knows everybody concerned and also knows his history. As he was already there on reporting duty, it seemed a real missed opportunity

[Garsted]

Not only did I miss Marcus' knowledgeable commentary, I missed having a commentator in his normal perch in the tower out at St Mary's. Apparently the commentators were speaking to screen images in a portakabin somewhere. I rather liked the old school handover between commentators in the start/ finish area and "out in the country".
Steve

[Doug Nye]

"....as they leave our sight through Fordwater - it's over to you Robin Richards out in the country..."

 

"Thank you Raymond - yes and here they come, aaahhhmmm, a blaze of red, green and blue ummmm cars...umm...in the lead is...ummm...." etc etc.

 

"And so back to you at the pits, Raymond Baxter..."

 

Whaaam - whaaam - whaaam...

 

Etc.

 

DCN

[Odseybod]

All went downhill when they introduced a tiny b&w TV monitor, instead of the Mark 1 eyeball.

 

And now for listeners to the Home Service, Motoring and The Motorist ...

[john aston]

 The ironic thing is that the better the cars on track are , the less audible the commentary is likely to be . Given the right quality of interviewer and interviewee , pre and post race chats can be  enjoyable but during a race TSL is now your best friend . What's that , you say ? I believe it's something young people  term an app , which they install on their portable telephones m'lud .    

Edited by john aston, 07 October 2021 - 10:11.

[Vitesse2]

All went downhill when they introduced a tiny b&w TV monitor, instead of the Mark 1 eyeball.

Aided by the Mark 1 clipboard:

 

 

"And now over to John Bolster in the pit lane ..."

 

"Thank you Wobin ... I'm here in the BRM pits talking to Waymond Mays, Gwaham Hill and Tony Wudd ..."

[Doug Nye]

The best Bolster line I recall is from - if I recall correctly - a very early Silverstone TV transmission, part of which included a 500cc race.  One car in the pits - JVB "Oh what tewwibly bad luck! His chain's bwoken!...".

 

Not a weason for wetirement one hears often, outside of the Fwazer Nash fwaternity.

 

DCN

[nicanary]

"....as they leave our sight through Fordwater - it's over to you Robin Richards out in the country..."

 

"Thank you Raymond - yes and here they come, aaahhhmmm, a blaze of red, green and blue ummmm cars...umm...in the lead is...ummm...." etc etc.

 

"And so back to you at the pits, Raymond Baxter..."

 

Whaaam - whaaam - whaaam...

 

Etc.

 

DCN

Reminds me of the year the Tophams of Aintree had that row with Auntie and insisted on performing their own commentary. A one-hit wonder.

[FastReader]

I wouldn't miss it for anything, nor have I missed one yet but I do think the Revival has become too much of a show over the years. That first Revival back in 1998 was the most wonderful motor racing event I've ever witnessed and one of the purest in that it concentrated on the racing (9 distance races plus the 1 hour TT Celebration on the Sunday) rather than all the theatre and the seemingly endless parades (just the Dream Grid back then, a worthy parade featuring so many former Goodwood stars who are no longer with us). It had the best commentator in Ian Titchmarsh and the grid for the TT was an astonishing mix of Ferrari GTO's, SWB's, 330 LMB and 275 LM, Shelby Daytona Cobras (real ones), AC Cobras, Aston Martins DB4GT's as well as Project 212 and 214, Porsche 904's, E Type Jaguars both Lightweight and Low Drag, Lotus Elites (DAD10 amongst them), Corvettes and Morgan Plus 4 rather than the AC Cobra / E Type Jaguar benefit that it now seems to have become. There were proper beer tents serving Old Speckled Hen and there was no "Over the Road" back then (everything was inside the gates) although there was the pre-'66 car park. And of course, the weather was utterly glorious. When I left the circuit that evening I felt that I was leaving the perfect world behind.

 

And yet, and yet, and yet, I still love it every year. It's just not quite as wonderful as it once was.

Edited by FastReader, 09 October 2021 - 11:06.

[BRG]

Familiarity breeds contempt, perhaps?

[Doug Nye]

Age amplifies that effect...  

 

But that inaugural year was - just - utterly - lovely...

 

Standing in the middle of the track after the last car had returned to the pits, a drink and a hot pie from the stall behind the grandstand in hand, together with race winners Ludovic Lindsay and Robert Brooks, looking up into the pastel sunset with the military band on the pits roof playing the 'Hokey Cokey" - RB murmured "It just doesn't get any better than this...".

 

An indelible memory.  That's what Revival set out to implant.

 

DCN

[doc knutsen]

I wouldn't miss it for anything, nor have I missed one yet but I do think the Revival has become too much of a show over the years. That first Revival back in 1998 was the most wonderful motor racing event I've ever witnessed and one of the purest in that it concentrated on the racing (9 distance races plus the 1 hour TT Celebration on the Sunday) rather than all the theatre and the seemingly endless parades (just the Dream Grid back then, a worthy parade featuring so many former Goodwood stars who are no longer with us). It had the best commentator in Ian Titchmarsh and the grid for the TT was an astonishing mix of Ferrari GTO's, SWB's, 330 LMB and 275 LM, Shelby Daytona Cobras (real ones), AC Cobras, Aston Martins DB4GT's as well as Project 212 and 214, Porsche 904's, E Type Jaguars both Lightweight and Low Drag, Lotus Elites (DAD10 amongst them), Corvettes and Morgan Plus 4 rather than the AC Cobra / E Type Jaguar benefit that it now seems to have become. There were proper beer tents serving Old Speckled Hen and there was no "Over the Road" back then (everything was inside the gates) although there was the pre-'66 car park. And of course, the weather was utterly glorious. When I left the circuit that evening I felt that I was leaving the perfect world behind.

 

And yet, and yet, and yet, I still love it every year. It's just not quite as wonderful as it once was.

Agreed absolutely. Another highlight, of course, was Ray Hanna's Spitfire at rooftop altitude down the start/finish straight. That did wake up those of us who witnessed it!

[cooper997]

A large variety of BRM's present at this year's Goodwood Revival have made their way to the 'British Racing Motors' FB page. 

 

 

https://www.facebook...388551694531640

all photos by Nigel Cooney.

 

 

Stephen