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#1 Doug Nye

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Posted 14 October 2021 - 15:53

(Or should that be 'schnauzen'?) - Just came across this old print from Schmercedes - 1955 practice/testing before the Italian GP - which I thought might interest/amuse.

 

Engineer Rudi Uhlenhaut returning to the pits with the team's latest W196 Stromlinienwagen fitted with a hastily fashioned nasal extension...

 

A friend of mine describes the mod as a move to cure "der upforce".

 

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#2 ReWind

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Posted 14 October 2021 - 16:01

Surely your friend meant: to cure "die upforce" or "den Auftrieb".

In German the "Kraft" (= force) is feminine, the "Auftrieb" is masculine.

To cure "der whatever" is grammatically impossible. (But what counts is what is possible on the road, of course.)



#3 Doug Nye

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Posted 14 October 2021 - 16:04

Sounded more amusing to us old farts as 'der'...   :smoking:

 

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Posted 14 October 2021 - 16:45

This is VERY amusing but of course it is much more complicated - like a lot of things concerning the German language. 

The verb schneuzen does not exist, it`s schnäuzen. 

LEO says: to give one`s nose a blow/to blow one`s nose.

A Schnauz is a mustache, a Schnauze is a snout and Schnauze! is shut up!

As you surely know: we haf ways to make you lauf...



#5 Roger Clark

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Posted 14 October 2021 - 17:28

Compared with other W196s, it seems to be lacking in opportunities for air to reach the radiator.  



#6 dolomite

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Posted 14 October 2021 - 19:11

Needs a wing on the back to balance it out….

#7 68targa

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Posted 14 October 2021 - 19:28

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#8 Parkesi

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Posted 14 October 2021 - 19:42

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#9 wolf sun

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Posted 15 October 2021 - 00:15

(Or should that be 'schnauzen'?) - Just came across this old print from Schmercedes - 1955 practice/testing before the Italian GP - which I thought might interest/amuse.

 

Engineer Rudi Uhlenhaut returning to the pits with the team's latest W196 Stromlinienwagen fitted with a hastily fashioned nasal extension...

 

A friend of mine describes the mod as a move to cure "der upforce".

 

DCN

 

 

 

Bit of a persisting problem with Mercs, it seems, they still hadn’t gotten their heads around it 44 years later…

 

…time to get me coat, I reckon.

 

(Oh, and mustache is Schnauzer where I come from — much like the eponymous dog with the obvious facial features.)



#10 Rob G

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Posted 15 October 2021 - 01:28

The previous year, Fangio kept hitting the Silverstone oil drums in the streamliner because he couldn't see the front corners of the car, so imagine how high the drums might have flown with this appendage.



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Posted 15 October 2021 - 05:30

This is VERY amusing but of course it is much more complicated - like a lot of things concerning the German language. 

The verb schneuzen does not exist, it`s schnäuzen. 

LEO says: to give one`s nose a blow/to blow one`s nose.

A Schnauz is a mustache, a Schnauze is a snout and Schnauze! is shut up!

As you surely know: we haf ways to make you lauf...

 

Didn't Altbauer on the Ustinov's GP of Gibraltar say "Nase schnell blasen" to one of his drivers ?

 

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#12 DCapps

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Posted 15 October 2021 - 12:05

The previous year, Fangio kept hitting the Silverstone oil drums in the streamliner because he couldn't see the front corners of the car, so imagine how high the drums might have flown with this appendage.

 

Perhaps... It seems that problems with the Continental tires were a far more likely cause for the barrel-bashing. Of course, "When the legend becomes fact..." etc., etc., that makes for a  better story for the fans.



#13 2F-001

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Posted 15 October 2021 - 13:13

That extended nose format for the W196 is entirely new to me -- was it confined to that one pre-race test?

 

(Looks like they've scraped off the paint for some reason or other... sorry, couldn't resist...)



#14 Roger Clark

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Posted 15 October 2021 - 14:19

I believe it was the only time, unless they tried it in private tests.  It was also the only time they tried an air brake on the Grand Prix car. 



#15 BRG

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Posted 15 October 2021 - 14:42

Perhaps... It seems that problems with the Continental tires were a far more likely cause for the barrel-bashing. Of course, "When the legend becomes fact..." etc., etc., that makes for a  better story for the fans.

I hope so.  The idea that the most sublime talent of all time behind the wheel couldn't judge the clearnce betwixt car and barrel is worrying.

 

Especially when thousands of lesser drivers have managed to cope with full bodywork  of their cars effortlessly over the years.



#16 PZR

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Posted 15 October 2021 - 16:47

My hoover has an attachment which looks just like that :)



#17 Jack-the-Lad

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Posted 15 October 2021 - 16:55

A lady walks into a pharmacy and asks for an ointment to put on her Schnauzer.....

#18 Michael Ferner

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Posted 16 October 2021 - 08:23

This is VERY amusing but of course it is much more complicated - like a lot of things concerning the German language. 

The verb schneuzen does not exist, it`s schnäuzen. 

LEO says: to give one`s nose a blow/to blow one`s nose.

A Schnauz is a mustache, a Schnauze is a snout and Schnauze! is shut up!

As you surely know: we haf ways to make you lauf...

 

Yes, complicated. At the time of the Schnorcedes racing, it was still "schneuzen" - the modern form "schnäuzen" was only introduced in 1996, with the much discussed reform of German orthography, but let's not get into this...



#19 Michael Ferner

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Posted 16 October 2021 - 09:19

Back to the "nasal extension" - there were actually three different versions of that, all pictured in Günter Engelen's excellent "Mercedes-Benz Renn- und Sportwagen" book of 2011. One had a very modern look to it, and I'm sure I have ssen something similar on a 70s or 80s sports car, maybe a Rondeau, or a Matra-Simca? Unfortunately, I'm crap with sports cars.

 

MB tested at Monza Aug 22/23 (Aug 22, 24 & 25 according to a different source) with four cars and six drivers (Fangio, Moss, Kling, Taruffi, Simon and Fitch, plus Uhlenhaut?), but the only picture I've seen in the period press was from a monoposto. According to the works records, chassis #2, #6, #14 and #15 (with engine #11, #15, #12 and #13, respectively) were present, although no mileage was recorded - a bit unusual, but not without precedent. Nominally, only chassis #2 ran in streamlined form, but we know bodywork could be exchanged easily. There was another test on Sep 7, Wednesday before the GP, and according to the works records only cars #2 (engine #20) and #9 (#16) took part, both with streamlined bodies, and then for the actual GP chassis #2 (engine #25), #6 (#23), #9 (#16), #10 (#23), #12 (#21), #13 (#25), #14 (#17) and #15 (#19), all streamliners except for #6 and the last two. To make matters even more confusing, the three oldest cars had the long wheel base (2.35 m), and the newest one the short (2.15 m), with the other cars in between at 2.21 m. In the end, none of the "middle" wheel base cars ran in the actual race, and Fangio won with long wb/streamliner #2/25 from Taruffi in short wheel base/monoposto #15/19, with Moss (lwb/str #9/16) and Kling (lwb/mon #6/23) retiring.

 

In "Auto Motor Sport" 20/55 there are a couple of pictures showing the "nasal treatment", without making clear whether they were from the Wednsday test or the actual GP practice, however. One is particularly interesting, showing a monoposto body with the same #20 lying beside the streamlined version of the car (with nasal treatment), indicating that a switch of bodywork was a matter of mere minutes. #20 was Kling's number in the race, but if the picture was from the test on Wednesday that doesn't necessarily mean much. According to Engelen, the airbrake was only tested in August.