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[Gary C]

Anyone going? And is there a live stream I can watch?

[Myhinpaa]

Livestream available for GRRC + Fellowship members.

 

https://www.goodwood...ng-live-stream/

[Gary C]

I'm not a member any more.

[Derwent Motorsport]

It used to be free but you now get a preview and asked to pay. 

[Myhinpaa]

I'm not a member any more.

 

Can't say I blame you.....

 

It might be possible to watch it on Motorvision.tv by taking out a subscription for one month, at $ 4.99.

 

https://motorvision.tv/en/

 

PS. Starts 12.20 BST

Edited by Myhinpaa, 16 October 2021 - 11:10.

[Gary C]

....I was a GRRC member from 1998. I finally realised about 5 years later that my membership wasn't getting me anything.

[Jack-the-Lad]

I wonder if the stream ćommentators could be quiet for even a few seconds......

Edited by Jack-the-Lad, 16 October 2021 - 14:15.

[FastReader]

I wonder if the stream ćommentators could be quiet for even a few seconds......

It is possible to watch it without commentary:

 

https://www.goodwood...tream-no-comms/

Edited by FastReader, 16 October 2021 - 16:18.

[Gary C]

....only if you're a member.

[FastReader]

Correct, only if you're a member, or belong to the Fellowship.

[AllanL]

Huzzah, with one squirt of Peasant-Be-Gone His Grace has rid the joint of the riff-raff who seem to be welcome enough when dosh is required for the Festival, Revival, divvying up for the GSA etc, but hang on a mo - my son was wearing soggy trainers, I had on black jeans and three miscreants near us had not read the memo about fancy dress not being welcome in October. so some of us riffs got by even if we don't know anyone who has ever owned a wax jacket. A lime green Fellowship badge between 3 did the trick for us.

 

Consider yourself lucky to be able to turn off the commentary, less is more as an aphorism seems to have passed some with a microphone by. Were all their utterings of the class of certain authors it would be interesting, but when someone opines (yet again) over the sound of the cars, "Just listen to that glorious engine note", I cannot but wish they would do just that and belt up if only for 30 seconds or so.

 

In the sogginess of the morning it was entertaining to watch the Beast of Turin in the practise session attempting to incinerate anyone with the temerity to try to pass it on the left, sadly the engine seemed to be out of sorts later on in the first part of the SF Edge Trophy. Now cars designed in that era would make for an entertaining replacement for F1 in 2022.

 

The Senna tribute allowing Bruno to blast round on his own in one of Ayrton's Mclaren Hondas was enjoyable but maybe having some more Senna related machinery on the track after Bruno's turn would not have gone amiss. Perhaps some of the static display may circulate tomorrow, one can but hope.

 

Interesting aside, or probably not, from one commentator was that no name corner is not to be described as such, the newspeak term is now "the right hand turn before St Mary's". There was then a suggestion that this may be a move before giving the corner a name.

 

I do earnestly hope that no-one would be crass enough to name the corner after a driver whose front line career was ended by it. Even in the wax-jacketed historical parallel dimension that is the nearest we can get at Goodwood (well would you trust your multi-million pound Ferrari/Aston etc amongst some of the back markers - I certainly would not) that would be simply crass.

 

Upward and onward,tomorrow may be a drier day to smuggle my appalling (but period correct for me) dress sense past the right set.

[johnwilliamdavies]

re. the livestream. Someone on 10Tenths worked out that you can watch without paying by clicking the "no thanks, I'll watch for free" button on the website. Works for me with Opera browser, but not Safari or Brave. 

[Myhinpaa]

But I think that will only be for a 30 min preview, so it will have to be timed right or you have to use a VPN, and change locations regularly.

[68targa]

Yes, works for Firefox as well, great tip thank you

[johnwilliamdavies]

But I think that will only be for a 30 min preview, so it will have to be timed right or you have to use a VPN, and change locations regularly.

 

I've blocked all cookies in my settings, and that's eliminated the preview restriction. 

[Jack-the-Lad]

I managed to miss the Ronnie Hoare race. Does anyone know if it’s archived somewhere? Thank you.

[ensign14]

Plenty of pics to excavate tomorrow, but this one is quite fun.  I tried a panorama setting on the phone14 and it gave rather interesting results...

 

[Odseybod]

I don't know whether I inadvertently beat The System or whether it recognised that I'm a Fellowship member but I managed to watch (and hear) most of the Livestream over the weekend, which I thoroughly enjoyed, maybe because there were lots of other things I ought to have been doing instead.

 

Though I'm normally a 'big banger' person, the highlights for me were probably the 500s, which looked so thoroughly at home in that setting (diametrically opposed to their appearances at Silverstone, where the poor things always look a little lost), and also the Formula Juniors, which I'll admit quietly don't usually do much for me - I suppose I was won over by the close racing and the standard of driving, also the epic onboard shots from one of the 500s (brave pills certainly needed).  Of course there were some annoyances, mainly the incessant repeating of that Supporters' Club commercial and the temporary take-over by some watches, but I enjoyed Tall Ed and his pre-start/post-finish interviews, as he seems to have a genuine rapport with many of the drivers (and can also pedal an MGB effectively, so is actually part of The Scene rather than merely acting as if he is). Jochen Mass also made an entertaining commentator for the GT40 race - more, please!

 

No substitute for actually being there, of course, but a pretty close second. Thanks to all those who made it happen.

[sabrejet]

We went Saturday, watched the live stream Sunday. Yes I'd agree that the FJs and 500s were highlights. I am usually a sportscar fan but those two races were worth it alone. Others deserving of mention were Tom Kristensen for his awesome drive with Sam Hancock in the GT40 and Sam Tordoff for his balletic qualifying in the Ford Falcon.

 

But as ever there were many, many golden moments to enjoy: another day to remember and congratulations and thanks to anyone who was involved in making it happen.

[FastReader]

I was there yesterday and had a great day. As has already been mentioned the Formula Junior race was tremendous but the final race of the day for the Gerry Marshall trophy was simply awesome and an excellent way to round off the best race meeting of the year. Well done too to the BARC for somehow managing to recover the half hour lost earlier in the day.

[Derwent Motorsport]

It's interesting to note that this year's three Goodwood events have not been sell outs and in some cases there were last minute special offers.  Is this blip due to COVID or is the show getting too repetitive?  Or could the core audience be literally dying off?

[ensign14]

I would have thought that the foreign numbers would be well down on normal because of Covid restrictions and quarantines.

[BRG]

It's interesting to note that this year's three Goodwood events have not been sell outs and in some cases there were last minute special offers.  Is this blip due to COVID or is the show getting too repetitive?  Or could the core audience be literally dying off?

The FoS was well attended, but definitely less crowded than in the past.  But did they restrict tickets as it was almost in lockdown period?  The Revival looked well attended, but again, did they cut ticket numbers?  If there were last minute offers, it could mean that even with restricted numbers, take-up was down.  That might be reluctance by many to be in a post-Covid crowd.  I think that the older generations are more prone to that, and as you suggest, they are an important part of the target audience.

 

The MM looked rather sparse, especially around the circuit , although the stands were quite full.  Post Covid reluctance & too soon after the Revival,  maybe?  And both track events are getting a bit samey - same cars, same drivers - which is of course a problem for all historic events even with some judicious re-writing of history.

[Jack-the-Lad]

I would have thought that the foreign numbers would be well down on normal because of Covid restrictions and quarantines.

I’m in the U.S. and this is the first MM I’ve missed. After having three flights canceled and mulling the (admittedly slight) possibility of testing positive and having to quarantine before returning, we decided that this was just not going to be our year. Frankly the drama surrounding travel has just become too much of an anxiety generator. We’re hoping for better things next April.

[Myhinpaa]

I managed to miss the Ronnie Hoare race. Does anyone know if it’s archived somewhere? Thank you.

 

With some luck it might come up on their YT channel, or at least an edited highlights version https://www.youtube....dwoodRRC/videos

 

I tried to watch the clip where Bruno Senna is demonstrating a McLaren MP 4/6, but those two commentators just couldn't shut up for one second!

Even when they promised to keep quiet the most annoying one kept on jabbering all the way through the last fly past. (@ 4:04)

 

Total twits, the both of them!!

 

https://www.youtube....h?v=o5WQC8uT16Y

 

 

PS. Recording without the annoying commentators put on top of the soundtrack, but they can just be heard over the PA system.

 

https://youtu.be/2LTMRkRY89I

Edited by Myhinpaa, 18 October 2021 - 21:47.

[Derwent Motorsport]

It's on ITV4 on Thursday evening. 

[john aston]

I was at the MM and I didn't find the crowd sparse , nor the event samey ., except that , once again , it was the best  historic motorsport  event  I've  attended  in the motorsport year . And  I go to a lot . Wonderful circuit , superb entry , terrific racing , and the trademark  incredible attention to detail . I also failed to find the commentary team anything other than expert and insightful . The only nit I will pick is hearing David Coulthard referring to a corner new to me ; damned if I could find it anywhere , despite walking nearly fifteen miles over the weekend - somewhere called Turn One.  The chap should be expelled from his House .....    

Edited by john aston, 18 October 2021 - 17:15.

[ensign14]

A smorgasbord of scenes:

 

 

^ Armin Hahne, XJR 15 champion, with fan

 

 

^ chicanery: surprisingly bulbous tail on the Lola FJ

 

 

^ Andrew Hibberd in the 22 going from last to first in the Arundell Cup.  Miles Griffiths in the 18 has just waved him past - great presence of mind to suss he had a much faster combo behind him, when trying to brake from a big speed to get around the chicane, in a collector's item on spindly wheels.  Hibberd won by less than a second; had he had to follow Griffiths through the chicane, that might have been it

 

 

^ pick your favourite Junior

 

 

^ the Edwardians had the worst of the weather

 

 

^ didn't stop the Beast though

 

 

^ Not everyone was that bothered about Bruno giving it large...

 

 

^ but he does have his fans

 

 

^ I thought this was cute - Haynes did a "brochure" of their racing model manuals in the form of a Goodwood blue workshop binder

 

 

^ Ben "Not the Stig" Collings had the SF Edge trophy sewn up - until the Blitzen remembered what Colin Chapman said about weight

 

 

^ one way to provide your CV

 

 

^ one of Gordon Murray's new gen fan cars

 

 

^ thunder of the Beast

 

 

^ the night rallying special stage; seemed to be more a proof of concept this time, but I reckon it works

 

 

^ part of the night entertainment: a drum/dance troupe called Batala, with illuminated instruments

 

 

[Odseybod]

Really great pics - many thanks for sharing them.

[ensign14]

Some of the little buzzbombs from the 500cc formula that changed the world:

 

 

^ Comet-JAP - like the Staride and Kieft, took the idea of using the driver as the crumple zone; wasn't this built by a pilot?  Its badge is de Havilland rather than celestial:

 

 

 

^ JP-Vincent prototype...

 

 

^ ...and the finished version, which looked more prototypey

 

 

^ Mackson-Norton

 

 

^ a very determined Sir John Chisholm in the Arnott - great helmet design, simple and distinctive

 

 

^ the troubled Larkens-JAP

 

 

^ a rear shot of the Revis, given a) most of the pics are from the front, and b) I wanted to show off the extraordinary camber

 

 

^ Kerry Horan did not so much get into the tiny Trenberth, as put it on

 

 

^ but that was a giant compared to Richard Kelly's Heizer Mk 1 (was there ever a Mk 2?)

 

 

^ and still they shrink; the Monaco was surprisingly competitive...

 

 

^ ...alas the poor little Buzzie-Douglas, a very early model and surely even more unlikely a track car than the Edwardians, only made it to the start-line - perhaps a victim of a glacially slow warm-up lap that saw at least three cars not make the grid

 

 

^ but at least Buzzie got on track; I didn't see one iota of the Iota there

 

 

^ and another victim of the slow warm-up lap was Tony Skelton's Martin.  Remarkable because Skelton raced this in period.  So he must be pushing 90 by now but looks decades younger.  And you want the racer attitude?  After practice he said "I think I know where to gain another three seconds..."

[Allan Lupton]

The usual website tells us about the Comet's de Havilland connection:

Brian Heyward was employed at the de Havilland Aircraft Company at Hatfield, an ideal environment for developing engineers. He began to develop his second car, the Comet, named after the world's first jet powered airliner which de Havilland had developed immediately after the war. Brian's contemporaries at de Havilland included Maurice Phillipe, Alan Stacey and Brian Hart.

[2F-001]

Thanks for sharing all of those fine pics, Ensign.

 

I hadn't known that Brian Hart had been involved with de Havilland - thanks Allan.

 

I'm sure that some of you will have visited the museum (NE of London, not far from the M25). Lots of interesting stuff - I haven't been there for some time; some enthusiastic folks involved to tell you the history, but it looked like it could do with a serious injection of funding to help it become more attractive to a broader, less specialized audience, given people's increasing expectations of such attractions.

[BRG]

The only nit I will pick is hearing David Coulthard referring to a corner new to me ; damned if I could find it anywhere , despite walking nearly fifteen miles over the weekend - somewhere called Turn One.  The chap should be expelled from his House .....    

Pfah, laddie, do ye no ken that 'turnone' is Scots for 'Madgwick'?

 

Glad you enjoyed it and have put the usual carpers in their place!  My comment about sparse crowd referred to the outfield where there seemed to be few people - just the odd groups of three or four at corners like Lavant.  At regular pre-Covid meetings, the track was lined with folk the whole way round.

[Gregor Marshall]

As ever a thoroughlly enjoyable weekend as a competitor (I did get very wet Saturday morning, pre and post a very tricky qualifying session), which meant I did not actually catch a lot of the on-track action until last night.
There were some fantastic races from what I've seen so far and being near the track when then McLaren Honda was going round was very special to hear, took me back to the old tyre testing days at Silversotne post British Grand Pxix.
I hope that everyone attending and watching online enjoyed it too and there are some great photos above and I look forward to seeing more.
Roll on April 2022...

[ensign14]

 

To show how wet it was - and this was before the rainstorm that affected the Edgelords - here's Gregor in the gloom, after a remarkable save at the chicane.

 

Yet three hours later it was shirt-sleeve order.

[RAP]

I found the commentary a distinct improvement on the Revival. 

[Jack-the-Lad]

The commentators were probably more tolerable on site than on the live stream, as it would have been easier to “tune them out” without diminishing other aspects of the experience. I’m so sorry I missed it this year. The 2022 dates work for me and I hope travel will be less arduous by then.

Thanks to all for posting the pictures and comments.

[Gary C]

Who was doing the commentaries, do we know?

[68targa]

One of them was David Addison.

[Jack-the-Lad]

Jochen Mass was very, very good.

[cpbell]

One of them was David Addison.

He's very good - sadly, it was Bruce Jones that wouldn't stop.

[Derwent Motorsport]

I often wonder watching racing on TV if there is a need for a constant commentary.  WE can see what is happening. Points of information about what we can't see on the screen yes but no need to describe what we can see.

Edited by Derwent Motorsport, 21 October 2021 - 07:58.

[Allan Lupton]

I often wonder watching racing on TV if there is a need for a constant commentary.  WE can see what is happening. Points of information about what we can't see on the screen yes but no need to describe what we can see.

It is that thought which put me against Murray Walker as a TV commentator - I thought he'd be good on the radio though!

[mikeC]

But you have to realise probably 70% of the viewers don't know what they're looking at.

[Gregor Marshall]

 

To show how wet it was - and this was before the rainstorm that affected the Edgelords - here's Gregor in the gloom, after a remarkable save at the chicane.

 

Yet three hours later it was shirt-sleeve order.

 

Great picture, thanks and yes, incredibly wet with incredibly stiff set up = not good!!
The weather later was glorious, one of the best afternoons at a MM and to reach the Final for me made it even better   
The Sunday weather was good too.

Edited by Gregor Marshall, 03 November 2021 - 09:19.

[exhillclimber]

I wonder if the stream ćommentators could be quiet for even a few seconds......

As one of the annoying commentators, I should explain that the commentary is being streamed worldwide by Goodwood Radio as a sound only radio broadcast, and one of the pressures on radio commentators is to keep going and avoid  "dead air". And many spectators are using the mini radio earpieces they get with the programme, and they get cross if they don't hear anything. You can't please all the people all the time.

[Perruqueporte]

As one of the annoying commentators, I should explain that the commentary is being streamed worldwide by Goodwood Radio as a sound only radio broadcast, and one of the pressures on radio commentators is to keep going and avoid  "dead air". And many spectators are using the mini radio earpieces they get with the programme, and they get cross if they don't hear anything. You can't please all the people all the time.

I remember hearing Dan Maskell talking about sports commentating. He said that radio commentary was much harder than television, for the reasons you state, and that he found television much easier because (and I am paraphrasing) he could “let the action speak for itself”. I loved his tennis commentaries from Wimbledon, not only for his insight but also for his wonderful use of silence. You would witness a fabulous rally during which Maskell might well say nothing until, at its spectacular conclusion, he would say (not shout!) either “Oh I say!” or “My word!”. It was masterful and eloquent. I have nothing but respect for all of you who do these things properly.

Christopher W.