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[YamahaV10]

AJ Foyt won 7

 

Richard Petty won 7

 

Dale Earnhardt won 7

 

Micheal Schumacher won 7

 

Jimmy Johnson won 7

 

None of them won 8. Thoughts ?

[ARTGP]

Sebastian Loeb has won 9 WRC titles.

 

Marc Marquez would be sweeping up number 8 if not for his injuries....

Edited by ARTGP, 24 October 2021 - 16:45.

[Jovanotti]

Sebastian Loeb has won 9 WRC titles.

Marc Marquez would be sweeping up number 8 if not for his injuries....

His point still stands then

[Anja]

Sebastian Loeb has won 9 WRC titles.

 

Marc Marquez would be sweeping up number 8 if not for his injuries....

 

And Ogier is pretty likely to get his 8th this year. 

Edited by Anja, 24 October 2021 - 16:47.

[PayasYouRace]

Sebastian Loeb has won 9 WRC

Well that’s this thread over.

[MLC]

Steve Kinser won 20 World of Outlaw sprint car championships.

[ARTGP]

It's not very common that's for sure 

[Jambo]

Rossi has 9, Marquez has 8, Agostini has 15!

[Bleu]

Rossi has 9, Marquez has 8, Agostini has 15!

 

In the main class, Agostini has 8, Rossi 7 and Marquez 6.

[Jambo]

They are all world titles. 

[PayasYouRace]

Yeah I've always understood that the motorbike classes all rank equally in terms of championship standing, especially historically when the smaller bikes weren't necessarily "feeder series" for the biggest.

[domhnall]

Nasser Al-Attiyah, a 16 time Middle East rally champion.

[PlatenGlass]

Yeah I've always understood that the motorbike classes all rank equally in terms of championship standing, especially historically when the smaller bikes weren't necessarily "feeder series" for the biggest.

 

But they were certainly feeder series when Rossi and Marquez won.

 

Sure, they're world titles as the other poster put (as is e.g. the F2 championship as well though), but we don't even need that level of pedantry since the thread title doesn't even specify "world".

[danmills]

Al-Attiyah is also an Olympic Bronze medal winner in clay pigeon shooting. That's pretty special.

[PayasYouRace]

But they were certainly feeder series when Rossi and Marquez won.

 

Sure, they're world titles as the other poster put (as is e.g. the F2 championship as well though), but we don't even need that level of pedantry since the thread title doesn't even specify "world".

 

But what I mean is that they all count equally as classes in the motorcycle world championships, hence why Rossi is said to have 9, etc. It's not like F2 (and equivalents) which have always been separate series and categories, so F2 titles are never added to F1 championships.

[DeKnyff]

Yeah I've always understood that the motorbike classes all rank equally in terms of championship standing, especially historically when the smaller bikes weren't necessarily "feeder series" for the biggest.

 

Spanish legend Angel Nieto won 12 + 1 world titles in 50 cc and 125 cc.

[NoForumForOldPole]

Loeb 9 consecutive. Nobody beats that ever.

Edited by NoForumForOldPole, 24 October 2021 - 17:33.

[PayasYouRace]

Spanish legend Angel Nieto won 12 + 1 world titles in 50 cc and 125 cc.

 

You don't get a corner named after you at Jerez for nothing.

[Rodaknee]

Antoni Bou - 25 world championships and still going.

[OneAndOnly]

AJ Foyt won 7

Richard Petty won 7

Dale Earnhardt won 7

Micheal Schumacher won 7

Jimmy Johnson won 7

None of them won 8. Thoughts ?

You forgot one driver that has 7 titles.

Edited by OneAndOnly, 24 October 2021 - 17:49.

[ARTGP]

You forgot one driver that has 7 titles.

 

I think the point is Lewis is still an active driver who could yet eclipse 7.

 

The others are not. Their history will remain at 7. 

Edited by ARTGP, 24 October 2021 - 17:53.

[OneAndOnly]

It doesn’t says so in topic title but whatever.

[PayasYouRace]

It doesn’t says so in topic title but whatever.

 

I'm sure if Lewis had been included in the OP you'd have complained he could still get 8 or more, so maybe don't worry about it.

[OneAndOnly]

Rossi, MM and Ogier were included in responses.

[rf90]

Loeb 9 consecutive. Nobody beats that ever.

WRC probably the biggest test of drivers. I didn't realise he had 9 on the trot, that's more than impressive.

[Collombin]

AJ Foyt won 7

I respect Foyt enormously but he won the 1979 USAC national championship whilst most of the top names were racing in the CART series. I would consider Mears' title to be the more significant.

[ensign14]

Surtees has 7 on two and 1 on four wheels.

 

John Force has 16 in NHRA funny car.  That may be the record for the top echelon of a sport. 

[Risil]

But they were certainly feeder series when Rossi and Marquez won.

 

Sure, they're world titles as the other poster put (as is e.g. the F2 championship as well though), but we don't even need that level of pedantry since the thread title doesn't even specify "world".

Probably not when Rossi won. Looking at the 250cc and 500cc riders in 1999 there's not much difference in the quality of the riders in each series. When Marquez won, yeah, they were more or less explicitly feeder series. The watershed was probably 2003, when manufacturer interest in the top series (now four-strokes) surged and the World Superbike series dropped off considerably.

[milestone 11]

Agostini's 15 world titles is still the yardstick. Although, Bou's 29 must be almost unbeatable.

[milestone 11]

Angel Nieto always said that he had twelve plus one.

[azza200]

How many titles would Lewis won if the calendar was between 16-18 races and the old points scoring system? I have always wondered that 

[messy]

Loeb won nine consecutively, and lots of them were actually very close battles won by a couple of points, without a huge car advantage. The Ford Focus was arguably the better car in those mid 2000 years and won the manufacturers title a few times with Loeb taking the drivers. And he did it without making enemies, getting involved in too many controversies or attracting any negative press. He was so outstanding at his level that he actually came close to making his F1 debut during this period. I think his story is incredible. And if he broke down, he’d spark up a cigarette and chat with the spectators till he got picked up.

Edited by messy, 24 October 2021 - 19:07.

[Myrvold]

And he did it without making enemies, getting involved in too many controversies or attracting any negative press. He was so outstanding at his level that he actually came close to making his F1 debut during this period.

 

The FIA didn't want to give him a SL due to his lack of close racing experience.

 

I do wonder though. If he hadn't made Mosley a bit pissed due to Loeb not being clean shaven and looking "properly PR", if he'd been given the SL after all. Mosley was quite... well. Be on his good side and get your wishes, be on the wrong side and you won't get your wish.

[Alfisti]

Whincup won 7.

[NewMrMe]

Steve Webster won 10 World Sidecar Championships.

[Ali_G]

How many titles would Lewis won if the calendar was between 16-18 races and the old points scoring system? I have always wondered that

Something for another thread. 9-6-4-3-2-1 scoring I’m guessing?

[Bleu]

One big one came to my mind: Guido Cappellini won 10 world titles in F1 Powerboats.

[Hrco42]

And he did it without making enemies, getting involved in too many controversies or attracting any negative press.

But then again, there was never much controversies in the WRC, was there?
Especially not in this century

Edited by Hrco42, 24 October 2021 - 21:49.

[PlatenGlass]

Loeb won nine consecutively, and lots of them were actually very close battles won by a couple of points, without a huge car advantage. The Ford Focus was arguably the better car in those mid 2000 years and won the manufacturers title a few times with Loeb taking the drivers. And he did it without making enemies, getting involved in too many controversies or attracting any negative press. He was so outstanding at his level that he actually came close to making his F1 debut during this period. I think his story is incredible. And if he broke down, he’d spark up a cigarette and chat with the spectators till he got picked up.

 

WRC became a lot less mainstream around the time Loeb started winning though and all the big name stars seemed to disappear around the same time, leaving just him (though I seem to remember Gronholm turning up to run him close one year). And while WRC was never the biggest sport in the world, bascially no-one has even heard of Sebastien Ogier.

Edited by PlatenGlass, 24 October 2021 - 21:55.

[prty]

Toni Bou:

https://en.m.wikiped...wiki/Antoni_Bou

29 titles in FIM's trial, not sure it's possible to surpass that

[merlos]

Trial world champions:

 

 

Toni Bou:

https://en.m.wikiped...wiki/Antoni_Bou

29 titles in FIM's trial, not sure it's possible to surpass that

 

And Laia Sanz 14.

[grunf77]

Dixon 6 so far.

[messy]

WRC became a lot less mainstream around the time Loeb started winning though and all the big name stars seemed to disappear around the same time, leaving just him (though I seem to remember Gronholm turning up to run him close one year). And while WRC was never the biggest sport in the world, bascially no-one has even heard of Sebastien Ogier.

It’s true to say that 2005-10 was not a great era for the WRC, I’ll give you that. But Loeb had to beat Gronholm in his first four title years - 2004/5/6/7, as well as Petter Solberg at the peak of his powers in the Subaru at least through to the end of 2005 (the Impreza slid back after that). Mikko Hirvonen was a massively, massively underrated driver who would have been a World Champion had the cards fallen just slightly differently - and Jari-Matti Latvala was extremely quick. The problem was that it essentially became just Citroen vs Ford, so every season there were only really four works drivers who could compete. It wasn’t a classic era but Loeb was a classic champion. Then 2011 saw Ogier arrive and go head to head with Loeb at Citroen, ofcourse. He proved himself against them all.

[ensign14]

What also affects rallying is that for decades rallying had been the fastest over a number of stages wins.  By Loeb's time I had no idea how anyone ever retired from a rally, short of being impaled on a spike.  It was power-stage this and bonus-point that. 

[dave34m]

Stefan Everts has won 10 world motocross championships

[P123]

The FIA didn't want to give him a SL due to his lack of close racing experience.

 

I do wonder though. If he hadn't made Mosley a bit pissed due to Loeb not being clean shaven and looking "properly PR", if he'd been given the SL after all. Mosley was quite... well. Be on his good side and get your wishes, be on the wrong side and you won't get your wish.

 

I have a vague recollection of one of the FIA prats during the Mosley era writing a letter of complaint regarding Loeb's appearance.

[New Britain]

Richie Evans - 9 titles.

[ClubmanGT]

Zanardi has an Olympic medal too, I feel that's worth a few driver's titles. 

[ClubmanGT]

Also, Jim Richards has won in pretty much everything but single seaters. Given the lack of a proper unified touring car championship and the competitiveness of the Aussie touring car scene, I'd say that should hold some water. 

[Alan Lewis]

Trial world champions:



And Laia Sanz 14.

Plus several more in enduro and rallies