195 replies to this topic

[AvranaKern]

Since Perez has started to be competitive over the past few races, I can see him actually leading the race in Mexico. If the scenario in the title comes to pass, what do Red Bull do? Do they order a switcheroo? Would Sergio yield? How would the crowd respond? 

[JBJ]

Do they order a switcheroo?                 yes
Would Sergio yield?                               yes
How would the crowd respond?            booing

So?

[Anja]

I've been thinking about the exact same thing 

I think the team might ask Checo to give up the win but not wanting to anger the crowd too much it would be done as more of a request rather than a flat out team order. A refused one.

[ensign14]

Same as Ferrari manipulated Massa behind Kimi in Brazil 2007.

 

The interesting question is what happens if Perez is leading, Leclerc (say) is second, and Max third...

[Dolph]

Good question, but extremely unlikely scenario. I think they have to let Perez win.

[Dolph]

Same as Ferrari manipulated Massa behind Kimi in Brazil 2007.

The interesting question is what happens if Perez is leading, Leclerc (say) is second, and Max third...

Its not the same. The Brazilian GP Ferrari move gave the title to Raikkonen. In 2021 we still will have 4 races after Mexico and the move can be unecessary in retrospect.

[F1matt]

Where is Perez finding the speed from to suddenly be ahead of Max, unless Max has had some problem in qualifying or the race, it is more likely to be the Max & Lewis show (or the Lewis & Max show) depending on who you support with everyone else 20 seconds behind. 

[JeePee]

Since Perez has started to be competitive over the past few races, I can see him actually leading the race in Mexico. If the scenario in the title comes to pass, what do Red Bull do? Do they order a switcheroo? Would Sergio yield? How would the crowd respond? 

I know Sergio was sick and dehydrated and all... but ehm... he finished 42 seconds behind Verstappen.

[kosmos]

In the scenario presented in the OT, I think they will let Perez win.

[Dan333SP]

Where is Perez finding the speed from to suddenly be ahead of Max, unless Max has had some problem in qualifying or the race, it is more likely to be the Max & Lewis show (or the Lewis & Max show) depending on who you support with everyone else 20 seconds behind. 

 

This. I love Sergio but the hype over him just being within a few tenths of Max in a single qualifying session is a bit much, only way he's ahead of Max is weather/strategy or some sort of mixup at the start. it's possible, of course, but unlikely. 

[Dhillon]

Perez will be allowed to take the win.

[P123]

I don't think they would ever allow it to get to that stage.  And something would have to have happened to Max too.  It would though be great to see the crowd reaction to another home win.

[Baddoer]

I will call James to ask his specialist opinion.

[garoidb]

I don't think they would ever allow it to get to that stage.  And something would have to have happened to Max too.  It would though be great to see the crowd reaction to another home win.

 

Yes, they would have to anticipate it earlier in the race and hide anything under the umbrella of strategy (like Kimi and Massa in 2007 as was mentioned). You don't wait until it is a wrong way round 1-2 with only a few laps left at a home race.

[Peugeot905evo1bis]

In the scenario presented in the OT, I think they will let Perez win.

 

 

Perez will be allowed to take the win.

 

No way. 7 points is a big advantage over Hamilton they don't want to miss.

[eibyyz]

Since Perez has started to be competitive over the past few races, I can see him actually leading the race in Mexico. If the scenario in the title comes to pass, what do Red Bull do? Do they order a switcheroo? Would Sergio yield? How would the crowd respond? 

 

Checo will have radio problems.

[TomNokoe]

Switch the cars, 100% no brainer.

[PayasYouRace]

I’m sure Red Bull would call for the switch. Then again, they’re probably not expecting to be in this situation. Something would have happened to Max during the race to be behind Sergio.

[Cliff]

No doubt they would switch and no doubt everyone involved would know before the race. Next year Checo can have a go at Max again, but till the end of this season he only has 2 objectives. 1: Help Max become WDC. 2: Help the team become WCC. In that order.

[ConsiderAndGo]

Swap them. And that’s 100000000000% what they would do.

Sentiment holds no bars when a championship is at stake.

Edited by ConsiderAndGo, 28 October 2021 - 15:54.

[Hellenic tifosi]

Switch. No other sensible option.

[noikeee]

Do they order a switcheroo?                 yes
Would Sergio yield?                               yes
How would the crowd respond?            booing

So?

Would Checo ever find himself in this mythical position of outpacing Max over a race? No.

[shure]

What would they do? First try and understand what kind of witchcraft was involved in getting Max ahead of Perez. Then they’d puzzle even more at how he was managing to keep Max behind him. Finally, they’d have no hesitation in asking Perez to pull over and let Max past

Once the race finished, they’d have Perez”s fuel checked for suspicious additives

[garoidb]

What would they do? First try and understand what kind of witchcraft was involved in getting Max ahead of Perez. Then they’d puzzle even more at how he was managing to keep Max behind him. Finally, they’d have no hesitation in asking Perez to pull over and let Max past

Once the race finished, they’d have Perez”s fuel checked for suspicious additives

 

A sugary caffeinated drink, perhaps?

[cyclist]

As long as Max is in front of Hamilton, I think they might keep it this way. If Max is very close and chased by Lewis and in danger of being undercut or overtaken, I think they will switch.

[ARTGP]

They will 100% switch. The math is quite simple. Max needs to more or less win 2 more races, and then just mail in the rest. If Mexico is a chance to halve that quota, they will grab it with both hands, both feet, and chin.

Edited by ARTGP, 28 October 2021 - 16:51.

[NewMrMe]

Switch.

 

Some said it might not make a difference in the end, true it might not, but imagine if they didn't and then Max ends up losing by less than 7 points.

[Neno]

It's a plot twist, on podium Sergio Perez take off MI prosthetic mask and turn out Max Verstappen was under the mask all along. Now enough of sci-fi scenarios for today. 

Edited by Neno, 28 October 2021 - 17:01.

[Requiem84]

RB is smart enough to do the most rational thing.

 

Perez will be ordered to switch. If Max would lose the title because of not switching positions, RB and Max would have lost their first shot on a WDC in about 8 years. 

 

This is not the moment to be sentimental and Perez will fully understand this. Of course, him giving up position would mean that RB and Max both him a massive favor. 

[Radoye]

The switcharoo would happen much earlier in the race, they would make sure of that.

[Ivanhoe]

No doubt they would switch and no doubt everyone involved would know before the race.

This. And Max will let Checo stand on the top step and hand him the trophy. But don’t think it’s a very likely scenario.

[baku]

Knowing Max a little, he does not want to win when Sergio is just the faster guy.
So probably red bull will suggest, but Max will refuse

Edited by baku, 28 October 2021 - 17:33.

[Clatter]

Its not the same. The Brazilian GP Ferrari move gave the title to Raikkonen. In 2021 we still will have 4 races after Mexico and the move can be unecessary in retrospect.

 

The move could equally prove to be vital.

[cooljvm]

If remember correctly, Ferrari was fined when Schumacher made Barrichello take the top step in Austria in 02.

If Redbull do anything other than switch- preferably in the pit stop, or even earlier, they need to get their mental faculties checked.

[P123]

This. And Max will let Checo stand on the top step and hand him the trophy. But don’t think it’s a very likely scenario.

 

Terrible idea.  Like a pat on the head for the No.2.

[Requiem84]

Knowing Max a little, he does not want to win when Sergio is just the faster guy.
So probably red bull will suggest, but Max will refuse

 

Nahh. 

 

He's been driving very calculated for the most part of this year. He will take it and he will say that it is not the way he'd like to win, but that it's important for the Championship.

[Clatter]

Would Checo ever find himself in this mythical position of outpacing Max over a race? No.

 

There are things that can occur during a race that could lead to that position.

[Dmitriy_Guller]

Given that Mexico is Max's best track, I think that without a massive mishap for Max this question is academic.

[MikeTekRacing]

Big Checo supporter here - he should switch with Max if that is the situation. 

I am pretty sure he understands it too - if he does it with grace he can only win from the gesture.

[ThrottleBlib]

Checo is Nr.1   Why switch? 

 

(Edit: too bad we don't have a Fin GP..)

Edited by ThrottleBlib, 28 October 2021 - 17:48.

[AvranaKern]

The switcharoo would happen much earlier in the race, they would make sure of that.

Checo could be leading Max because of a spin or Max's mistake. It doesn't have to be on merit. If they start the last lap in that order, would they order Sergio to give up the victory? I think the answer might change if Perez truly bests Max on speed or if Perez leads the race only due to Max's mistake. Regardless, I think they would switch the places, but the crowd might not understand it. Would be a PR nightmare.

[Ivanhoe]

Terrible idea.  Like a pat on the head for the No.2.

Yeah, would also be awkward when the anthem is played 

[MaroF1]

Even if Hamilton is nowhere in the race, or has had a DNF and Max is gaining lot of points on him anyway( lets say 18 so the gap would be 30) the Red Bull would still order the switch. Remember when Bottas was told to release Hamilton in Sochi in 18, Hamilton was 40 points ahead of him in WDC and yet they still did it. You never know what can happen later in the year, and WDC is the most important for Red Bull. But I dont think this is likely anyway, Checo was 42 sec behind Max in USA , and yes Checo was unwell but so was Max, and despite Checo feeling the home crowd and being quick and all, its a strong track for Verstappen as well, so he shouldnt bother Max that much. But to answer it, they will do it no matter what the crowd or the fans feel or think, and I would do it to.

Edited by MaroF1, 28 October 2021 - 17:58.

[PayasYouRace]

The switcharoo would happen much earlier in the race, they would make sure of that.

 

It would only be if they were running 1-2 late in the race and Max had to make an unplanned pitstop that it would be an issue in the closing laps. A Melbourne 1998 situation.

[masa90]

Same as Ferrari manipulated Massa behind Kimi in Brazil 2007.

 

The interesting question is what happens if Perez is leading, Leclerc (say) is second, and Max third...

Lol now this is some rewriting of past.

 

Ofcourse they would made Massa give way for Kimis title if situation required it. They did it the other way in 2008, in a way which was in line with rules.

 

But the difference is that Kimi was just better in Brazil 2007. Ok, he had tactical advantage but still he drove past fair and square.

 

 

On that theoretical question at the start of the thread.

 

Should they do it? Yes. Mercedes would throw Bottas off from p1 without hesitation. Hell they did it in 2018 with almost impossible to lose lead in wdc.

Would they do it? Ofcourse yes. Same points for teamchampionship, Max gets big push.

Would it look bad? Ofcourse. But still they should do it.

[ThrottleBlib]

MSC 'gave' victories to his sidekick, but not before the WDC was decided. 

 

I'm trying to remember if Senna did..

 

Edit (laps led:)

 

 

https://www.statsf1....ur-en-tete.aspx\

 

Don't think it will be an issue; Max like Checo (Don't we all..) but WDC might be a 'once in a lifetime' opportunity.

Edited by ThrottleBlib, 28 October 2021 - 18:10.

[PayasYouRace]

MSC 'gave' victories to his sidekick, but not before the WDC was decided. 

 

I'm trying to remember if Senna did..

 

Edit (laps led:)

 

 

https://www.statsf1....ur-en-tete.aspx\

 

Don't think it will be an issue; Max like Checo (Don't we all..) but WDC might be a 'once in a lifetime' opportunity.

 

Senna let Berger win the 1991 Japanese Grand Prix, once Mansell was out and the championship was secure.

[ThrottleBlib]

Senna let Berger win the 1991 Japanese Grand Prix, once Mansell was out and the championship was secure.

 

After it was secure, thank you!

[Burtros]

Red Bull are not messing about in this title battle.

The switcheroo would happen.

There was no sentiment with Webber in 2013 even after they had sewn up the title.

Edited by Burtros, 28 October 2021 - 18:29.

[ThrottleBlib]

I'd wager not just RBR..