3753 replies to this topic

[SophieB]

No penalty (“of course”)

 

Should that be a penalty?

[Heyli]

Penalty. Rather had it they simply ordered him to let Hamilton by tbh, but that just wasnt on.

[TheFish]

Honestly can’t see how anyone can think it isn’t a penalty. The answer to being overtaken is to run someone off the road. It sets a horrible precedent. Doesn’t matter who is doing it, it’s not racing. It’s horrific from the stewards. What message does that send?

Would be amazed if anyone who says it’s ok doesn’t want Max to beat Lewis.

[Ivanhoe]

Despite being a fellow countryman, I lost a lot of sympathy for Verstappen, that weaving on the straight is a big no-no 

 

Edit: crowding should also be a penalty.

[bargeboard]

Looked like Max crossed the "fair racing" line there.

[SilverArrow31]

Despite being a fellow countryman, I lost a lot of sympathy for Verstappen, that weaving on the straight is a big no-no

He's been weaving like that on the straight all year! I am amazed he only just got a warning now, it was insane at Silverstone but just got overshadowed by the clash

[Ramses1348]

that defense was not ok, should have been a penalty

[Heyli]

Despite being a fellow countryman, I lost a lot of sympathy for Verstappen, that weaving on the straight is a big no-no 

 

Edit: crowding should also be a penalty.

I didnt like the crowding, but the weaving to break the tow is completely normal, no? He just weaved once and then chose the inside to defend?

[FullOppositeLock]

Should definitely have been a penalty. No idea what Massi was thinking. Glad Lewis is winning. Would have been embarrassing if Max had won like that.

[Laster]

It’s the same view I’ve always held. Being allowed to just release the brake pedal and run the person on the outside off the road means you can no longer over take on the outside. For me that was a penalty every time.

[engineblock1]

There is no option for giving the place back without penalty. That could have been an option

[FullOppositeLock]

Despite being a fellow countryman, I lost a lot of sympathy for Verstappen, that weaving on the straight is a big no-no

Edit: crowding should also be a penalty.

I don’t mind the weaving that much, but the crowding was ridiculous.

[Marklar]

It was so obvious what he was doing that I'm laughing, glad that it didnt matter. Masi is embarrassing.

[carlb5253]

Absolutely stonewall.

[FullOppositeLock]

There is no option for giving the place back without penalty. That could have been an option

Well, that was on Red Bull and Max and sadly they didn’t do it, much to their shame.

[TheFish]

I hope Mercedes make a big public thing with this after the race. Sets an awful precedent for the last few races. If Max is ahead there’s no incentive to stop him misbehaving again.

[Ivanhoe]

I didnt like the crowding, but the weaving to break the tow is completely normal, no? He just weaved once and then chose the inside to defend?

Hamilton was within DRS and preparing for an overtake. This is not about braking the tow of a car that’s 3-4 seconds behind you.

[Singularity]

I don't like it, I think driving like that should be penalized, but it is consistent with the decisions since Austria 2019

[Heyli]

Hamilton was within DRS and preparing for an overtake. This is not about braking the tow of a car that’s 3-4 seconds behind you.

He wasnt dangerously close, Verstappen did it at the beginning of the straight.

[KeithD68]

If max is continually going to get away with it he's going to continually do it

[Heyli]

Never mind.

[flyboym3]

Max has no class, always always dirty.

[Augurk]

I think we’ve seen drivers get away with worse (Lec Monza f.i.) but I didn’t like it and shouldn’t be allowed.

[Singularity]

I don't like it, I think driving like that should be penalized, but it is consistent with the decisions since Austria 2019

Sorry, 2020

[ebc]

Nothing wrong with what Max did, that is hard racing, happens all the time.

[smitten]

Naughty, naughty.  I thought he'd got past all that sort of stuff.

[TheFish]

Sorry, 2020
https://www.youtube....h?v=EHBgQw5OecA

Embarrassing. You know he got a penalty for that right?

[RPM40]

Max didn’t even stay on the track on a fairly straight forward corner, that’s how hard he was trying to run Lewis off the road.

It’s quite unbelievable that wasn’t seen as worthy of a penalty.

[Silberpfeil]

Penalty all day long. Hamilton would’ve made the corner, Verstappen very intentionally didn’t. Nice to see things got settled on track. As in, “between the white lines.”

[PayasYouRace]

No penalty was a good decision. Keep racing incidents as they are.

[baku]

Great from the stewards. Great racing on the edge. If you dont like this, you should not watch racing!

Edited by baku, 14 November 2021 - 18:41.

[masa90]

Should let him by. That was over the line.

[timmy bolt]

Wow. Actually amazed it wasnt even investigated. He braked later and on the inside. Never had a chance of making that corner. Really interested on what telemetry they had.

Boy got lucky.

Horners little radio call though. I don't think I've ever disliked a team boss more. Didn't like him back in the vettel days and don't like him now. One minute calling Hamilton dirty then the next trying to defend that nonsense.

[Singularity]

Embarrassing. You know he got a penalty for that right?

Yes, but that was the last time someone got a penalty for it.

[Huffer]

A clear penalty. I can't believe the FIA didn't investigate. It was obvious that Max didn't even attempt to make that corner - he went off track!? How is that even close to being acceptable racing? 

Edited by Huffer, 14 November 2021 - 18:43.

[ForzaFormula]

Hamilton would of got a penalty, FIA can't keep favouring max, has to be the same rules for everyone,

[Laster]

Great from the stewards. Great racing on the edge. If you dont like this, you should not watch racing!

I like racing, I like seeing drivers being able to overtake around the outside. Moves like this prevent racing, it denies any opportunity to actually race on track by driving the other person off the road. If you like this, you should not watch racing.

[Clrnc]

I think everyone here knows what Max was up to and it was a penalty, but I can understand why the stewards don't dare to call it because they have no clear evidence if Lewis was making the corner too. And I have a sneaky feeling they don't want to be the guys to decide the championship.

 

Anyway it didn't matter in the end so really can't be bothered about this incident now.

[keshav]

If Hamilton would have done it, it would have been a penalty,

The FIA is really biased.

[baku]

I like racing, I like seeing drivers being able to overtake around the outside. Moves like this prevent racing, it denies any opportunity to actually race on track by driving the other person off the road. If you like this, you should not watch racing.

Well, I like it and I do watch racing!

[Showty]

That was a slam dunk penalty.

You allow that, basically overtaking is impossible other than the straights.

[lewislorenzo]

Max is a great driver but he doesn’t race fair. He did whaf Nico did in Austria 2016! Stewards bottled it

Edited by lewislorenzo, 14 November 2021 - 19:26.

[OneAndOnly]

It was dirty racing and Max should at least give position back. But we’ve seen dirty driving from Hamilton (as well as others) go without penalty in the past. Let them race narrative destroyed clean racing and it started before Verstappen even was on the grid.

[flyboym3]

Have the FIA shown their cards this weekend?

Hmmm.

Lewis you were never supposed to do 8 times.

Edited by flyboym3, 14 November 2021 - 18:50.

[SenorSjon]

Reinstate the gravel trap there and it solves itself.

[timmy bolt]

That wasn't hard racing. If you can't be bothered to keep your car inside the white lines it isn't hard racing. It's just sh*t racing

[chrcol]

I think a rule where lobbying is an instant DQ from race as a deterrent needs considering.

 

Justice overcame today, but that was Schumacher type defending.

 

Bear in mind this decision came not long after a warning was given about gamesmanship, something really dodgy about the decision.

Edited by chrcol, 14 November 2021 - 18:51.

[UreaBorealis]

Having ended like it eventually did, glad there wasn't a penalty, even if I considered the defense dirty at the time. Max wouldn't have admitted any fault and will continue doing more of the same regardless, but this way he can't question the race result. He was beaten.

[Dmitriy_Guller]

I have tremendous respect for Verstappen as a driver, he's clearly a champion both in his driving and his mental composure.  However, I don't see myself ever rooting for him, because he's clearly in a mold of Schumacher ethics-wise.  When the stakes are high and he's on the losing end legitimately, I feel like he will do whatever it takes to come out ahead.  I wouldn't be surprised if the last race of the season would end in a collision between Verstappen and Hamilton, if Verstappen is just barely ahead on points.

 

To anyone who says "let them race", I agree completely.  I think drivers should be allowed to race, they shouldn't be driven off the road when they successfully manage to overtaken someone.

[chrcol]

I like racing, I like seeing drivers being able to overtake around the outside. Moves like this prevent racing, it denies any opportunity to actually race on track by driving the other person off the road. If you like this, you should not watch racing.

 

The message seems to be the driver doing the overtaking has to be clean, the driver defending can do what he wants.  If this ends up becoming a thing for races to come, we about to see even less overtakes in F1 as lead driver just does everything possible to stay ahead.

 

Also where was gravel? F1 still has a problem that driving off track doesnt lose enough time.