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[FLB]

This is the most serious article I've seen yet. Bloomberg is the source. Movement is reported as Audi's supervisory board met on Wednesday to review options.

 

https://europe.auton...claren-enter-f1

[AlexS]

Careful about surveys, specially if it is only 1...

 

[GreenMachine]

This is the most serious article I've seen yet. Bloomberg is the source. Movement is reported as Audi's supervisory board met on Wednesday to review options.

 

https://europe.auton...claren-enter-f1

 

That reads like a real-world situation.  No simple answers, no simple questions.  All-electric F1 jars a bit, but a FE entry alongside F1 might be very doable, and cover all the bases.

[ARTGP]

That reads like a real-world situation. No simple answers, no simple questions. All-electric F1 jars a bit, but a FE entry alongside F1 might be very doable, and cover all the bases.

Audi just pulled out of FE so i don’t think they will go back.

Edited by ARTGP, 18 November 2021 - 03:39.

[TennisUK]

The article can’t really be taken too seriously as the author seems to think f1 will be going all electric - that in turn makes me doubt his authority on every other bit of that article.

[Rinehart]

I worry about Mclaren being owned by a group that owns Bugatti, Porsche, Lamborghini and Rimac. Will absolutely kill the identity of the brand.

 

 

Exor / FCA own Ferrari, VAG own Porsche. Don't think it would be much different. Are their brands killed? McLaren would still have independence I'm sure. 

[Risil]

The article can’t really be taken too seriously as the author seems to think f1 will be going all electric - that in turn makes me doubt his authority on every other bit of that article.

I think the author is saying that Audi/VW will only move to F1 if it becomes/is set to become all-electric (not necessarily by 2026, presumably the next rules cycle in the following decade). I don't think anyone is saying the deal is done for F1 to become Formula Battery. Yet. But it raises interesting questions about what assurances the FIA can give Audi that Grand Prix racing is on that path.

[Rinehart]

If the VW Group is going into F1 on several levels then I wonder if BMW might feel compelled to do likewise and buy Sauber back, or else buy Williams off the venture capitalist firm that is always going to sell it on for the right price.

 

2 things here. Firstly, perhaps there will be too many interested manufacturers that they can't all buy teams and eventually one of them will have to start up a new team. (If VAG want to enter with 2 brands Porsche and Audi, perhaps they could do a deal with F1 to pay the entry bond once and then build a massive race campus that they run both teams from (and one engine rebadged Audi & Porsche) - obviously expensive but massive cost efficiencies there. 

 

Secondly it's a rather damning indictment of Formula E that Audi, BMW and Merc leave and the formers are rumoured to be wanting to join F1. So much for Electric being the future and F1 must go there as ICE is obsolete!!! 

[BRG]

So this is how VW enters F1 ? 

By NOT buying a team that isn't for sale?  That would fit with the "VW to F1" narrative over all these years.

[Burai]

Secondly it's a rather damning indictment of Formula E that Audi, BMW and Merc leave and the formers are rumoured to be wanting to join F1. So much for Electric being the future and F1 must go there as ICE is obsolete!!! 

 

The only thing they didn't like about FE was the management not being willing to turn it into a high-budget free-for-all where they could spend their way to the front at the expense of the independent teams.

 

If the manufacturers are looking to enter F1 now and full electrification is in their model ranges' future, that suggests that they reckon they can successfully lobby F1's next PU rules to be fully electric.

[New Britain]

Exor / FCA own Ferrari, VAG own Porsche. Don't think it would be much different. Are their brands killed? McLaren would still have independence I'm sure. 

Exactly, and under VAG ownership Lamborghini have continued to make crazy shitte - it just doesn't fall apart anymore.

[RA2]

Wonder how much of Mclaren Valuation was lost over the weekend?

[kumo7]

The title of this thread appear to be incorrect?

It says:


The company may not decide until next year whether to team up with McLaren and could also pursue alternative partnerships with the likes of Red Bull Racing or Williams Racing, they said, declining to be named discussing details of the negotiations.