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[LightningMcQueen]

Hopefully we can agree that this is worthy of a separate thread. Regardless of what side of the argument you are why hasn’t the footage of the Hamilton / Verstappen incident been released.. first time I can remember this scenario occurring after such a major flashpoint..

Very suspicious, I don’t believe for a second that they “haven’t downloaded it yet” very suspicious and a worrying development for F1.

[TheFish]

I think it must be for PR reasons. Maybe release it on Thursday to build tension for the Qatar GP. Get more people talking about F1 throughout the week.

 

I don't think it matters too much what the actual footage shows, we've seen enough angles to know what happened.

[SophieB]

It’s fun though. Feels like we’re having to lobby for the release of the Zapruder footage here.

[SophieB]

Release the footage, you cowards!

[ARTGP]

Isn't this stuff on F1 TV....

Edited by ARTGP, 15 November 2021 - 18:11.

[Topsu]

Shouldn't it be available from F1TV onboards?

[TheRhodesian74]

....I wonder what they could be hiding....? 

[OneAndOnly]

Hopefully we can agree that this is worthy of a separate thread. Regardless of what side of the argument you are why hasn’t the footage of the Hamilton / Verstappen incident been released.. first time I can remember this scenario occurring after such a major flashpoint..

Very suspicious, I don’t believe for a second that they “haven’t downloaded it yet” very suspicious and a worrying development for F1.

Did you ever use dial-up? It takes some time.

On a serious note I cannot remember when was the laat time it took them this long to release the footage. I guess they want some heads to cool off before they release it. Probably because they dismissed the whole thing too easily imho.

[ARTGP]

And besides, shouting into the Autosport forum will hardly get you what you seek. If you want something from F1, send a message to their twitter page or youtube channel as Autosport forum is not staffed by F1 representatives.

[Requiem84]

The Special Effects team need some more time to amend the video guys.

Tomorrow it will surely be done.

[TheRhodesian74]

And besides, shouting into the Autosport forum will hardly get you what you seek. If you want something from F1, send a message to their twitter page or youtube channel as Autosport forum is not staffed by F1 representatives.

 

dunno about that, reading some the responses on here I think Christian Horner may have created an account ;) 

[ANF]

For some reason they never released Bottas' forward-facing T-cam video from Imola this year. You know, the race where he had his accident with George Russell who got out of his car and felt that Bottas had intentionally run him off the track.

But I honestly think Verstappen's car may have been packed to go to Qatar before the video was downloaded... Either that or it will be in the onboard highlights video.

Edited by ANF, 15 November 2021 - 18:19.

[P123]

The Montoya pole lap onboard at Monaco 2002 please.... should anybody with a guilty conscience be reading this topic.

[flyboym3]

I think the credibility and integrity of Masi, the stewardship and the FIA is at stake here.

It's been an incredibly unpopular decision with the fans.

The FIA should not fall into the trap in having to defend verstappen. It ain't worth it for a regulator to take on that burden as it's not your fault.

We could also do with information regarding brake, throttle and steering inputs vs. the lap before.

How late did verstappen brake to the previous lap.
When did he go back on throttle.
Did he let go of pulling the wheel left, had he pulled left more before?

All questions that need answering to understand verstappens motive in the coming races, ie is he a racer or are there seeds of something else going on.

It's quiet serious actually as not only is a championship at stake but also the safety of the other drivers at future events.

Edited by flyboym3, 15 November 2021 - 18:35.

[ARTGP]

Shouldn't it be available from F1TV onboards?

 

Yes it should be? But I rather prefer the conspiracy and coverup angle. 

 

There is nothing "still being downloaded" or that "didn't get downloaded before they packed it up to Qatar".  These video feeds are transmitted to the FIA in real time. 

Edited by ARTGP, 15 November 2021 - 18:26.

[Ivanhoe]

Alwight, I shall welease the footage!

 

[balage06]

Isn't this stuff on F1 TV....

 

They switched to the rearward facing camera on Max's car. And what the weirdest thing is, according to Masi, the stewards only have access to the cameras that are currently broadcasting as well, which means that probably nobody has that footage?

[Muppetmad]

I hope the video gets released soon so that this does not spill over into the weekend. The footage needs to be released though, come what may.

[Augurk]

Really guys, really?

So much fuss and angst over such a non incident. Max did a bad thing. What next? Desperately trying to show that Max is even worse than Lewis?

I’ll tell you what, he’s definitely worse in profiting from these moves. He could learn a thing or two from the sgoat.

[hollowstar]

Isn't this stuff on F1 TV....

Conveniently F1TV only shows Verstappen's rear cam at that point of the race... 1:13:20 is the timestamp, for those who'd like to watch. 

[ClubmanGT]

Release the footage from Mexico 2016 while we're at it. 

[Requiem84]

Yes it should be? But I rather prefer the conspiracy and coverup angle.

There is nothing "still being downloaded" or that "didn't get downloaded before they packed it up to Qatar". These video feeds are transmitted to the FIA in real time.

Just checked for myself, F1TV indeed only has the rear facing camera.

[SophieB]

We’re through the looking glass, people.

[Spillage]

I'm afraid you'll need a Netflix subscription to see it

[MrAerodynamicist]

They switched to the rearward facing camera on Max's car. And what the weirdest thing is, according to Masi, the stewards only have access to the cameras that are currently broadcasting as well, which means that probably nobody has that footage?

I think they've always had more cameras at a given time than airwave freqency to transmit it. That said, it's not the 80s any more and they ought to be able to record all data onboard for later downloading.

[SophieB]

Deleted scene easter egg on the end of season DVD. 

[thefinalapex]

I think the credibility and integrity of Masi, the stewardship and the FIA is at stake here.

It's been an incredibly unpopular decision with the fans.

The FIA should not fall into the trap in having to defend verstappen. It ain't worth it for a regulator to take on that burden as it's not your fault.

We could also do with information regarding brake, throttle and steering inputs vs. the lap before.

How late did verstappen brake to the previous lap.
When did he go back on throttle.
Did he let go of pulling the wheel left, had he pulled left more before?

All questions that need answering to understand verstappens motive in the coming races, ie is he a racer or are there seeds of something else going on.

It's quiet serious actually as not only is a championship at stake but also the safety of the other drivers at future events.

Jesus what an overreaction.

[jwill189]

I'm still waiting for them to release the Senna in-car camera footage at Imola.

[andrewf1]

Yes it should be? But I rather prefer the conspiracy and coverup angle. 

 

There is nothing "still being downloaded" or that "didn't get downloaded before they packed it up to Qatar".  These video feeds are transmitted to the FIA in real time. 

Well apparently they’re not transmitted to the FIA in real time. Or they are, and Masi is lying. Doesn’t seem like the type of bloke to be straight-up lying about it though. Incompetent, given the quote below, but not a liar.

 

 

Masi conceded that the forward facing footage could be a smoking gun, if, for example, it shows Verstappen steering towards Hamilton.

"Could be, absolutely. Possibly. But no, we didn't have access to it. And obviously, it's being downloaded. And once the commercial rights holder supplies it, we'll have a look."

[ARTGP]

Conveniently F1TV only shows Verstappen's rear cam at that point of the race... 1:13:20 is the timestamp, for those who'd like to watch. 

 

Isn't it more likely this view was selected because through that point in the race, Hamilton had been around 1.5 seconds on average behind Verstappen for a large number of laps?

[BRK]

I agree, I also demand Mercedes release footage of Toto Wolff's delusional meltdown from Brazil. Or would I need to wait for the next edition of Drive to Survive to enjoy that?

[smitten]

Isn't it more likely this view was selected because through that point in the race, Hamilton had been around 1.5 seconds on average behind Verstappen for a large number of laps?

I haven't seen it, but I recall Ant saying it switched to the rear view just as the overtake was happening. 

[Gareth]

I agree, I also demand Mercedes release footage of Toto Wolff's delusional meltdown from Brazil. Or would I need to wait for the next edition of Drive to Survive to enjoy that?

This one?

 

 

 

Video here, enjoy:

 

[Radion]

I read somewhere that it's simply not possible technically to have both sides (front and back) to record simultaneously. They switched to the back because obviously Lewis was behind him. So that's that...

[Gareth]

I read somewhere that it's simply not possible technically to have both sides (front and back) to record simultaneously. They switched to the back because obviously Lewis was behind him. So that's that...

They can't broadcast both simultaneously, but they do record both simultaneously and the "unused" recording can be downloaded from the car - see post 29 above.

[Giz]

Back and to the left, back and to the left

[SophieB]

This one?

 

 

 

Video here, enjoy:

 

you should be able to pay extra for a guest commentary that is your choice of Toto Wolff or (god help you) Christian Horner and it’s just them excitedly effing and jeffing at what’s happening on track for the whole race.

[SophieB]

Release the guest commentaries.

[smitten]

you should be able to pay extra for a guest commentary that is your choice of Toto Wolff or (god help you) Christian Horner and it’s just them excitedly effing and jeffing at what’s happening on track for the whole race.

Can you pay extra not to have either of them on guest commentary?

[ClubmanGT]

you should be able to pay extra for a guest commentary that is your choice of Toto Wolff or (god help you) Christian Horner and it’s just them excitedly effing and jeffing at what’s happening on track for the whole race.

 

I would pay extra to not hear that. 

[Ivanhoe]

you should be able to pay extra for a guest commentary that is your choice of Toto Wolff or (god help you) Christian Horner and it’s just them excitedly effing and jeffing at what’s happening on track for the whole race.

I’d pay for Günther Steiner!

[TheFish]

Dream commentary team of Wheatley and Whinger Spice. Get Coulthard on there too, he’s probably more biased in favour of Red Bull than those 2.

[ARTGP]

This one?

 

 

 

Video here, enjoy:

 

 

why is this shot with a potato?

[Izzyeviel]

Red Bull International assistance. 

[gpking]

Maybe they believe Merc will appeal the decision if new evidence is found from the footage so they're waiting for the weekend.

[Tony Mandara]

The 5-7 seconds of footage has probably already been purchased by Netflix. Judging from how they showed the Grosjean crash.. they could easily make a 45 min episode out of it..

Edited by Tony Mandara, 15 November 2021 - 19:56.

[smitten]

Sadly the video camera was found to be broken, so Red Bull changed it in parc ferme

 

[Tony Mandara]

Cue the memes of Horner hurriedly leaving the circuit in dark glasses and carrying a suspicious looking 'black' briefcase.

Ted K: "Hey Christian! Have you seen the footage yet?"..

Horner: "Er..What? No! You are!"..

[ARTGP]

The 5-7 seconds of footage has probably already been purchased by Netflix. Judging from how they showed the Grosjean crash.. they could easily make a 45 min episode out of it..

 

It's incredible that the FIA apparently has to barter with the "commercial rights holder" just to get footage for an investigation. 

[TennisUK]

The most eagerly awaited video since pee-pee gate.