Every other rider seems to be very happy the second they get off that Honda. I'd really love to see what Marc could do on another bike.
You just have the impression if he was on the Ducati it could be the most one sided season in history.
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#4151
Posted 08 November 2022 - 21:02
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#4152
Posted 08 November 2022 - 21:20
#4153
Posted 09 November 2022 - 00:21
Hondas policy of bringing young engineers through has bitten them before. One bad bike does not prove them wrong - but more than one season of bad bikes should send them back to already proven design staff.
I don't know how long any given engineer or design team has to prove themselves but they must surely be looking at alternatives already.
The Suzuki development time and money is not lost. It's in peoples memories and I'm sure there will be the odd paper come out eventually.
#4154
Posted 09 November 2022 - 01:55
Part of me wants to say that if it was that simple, Marquez would already have done it, but then again, Casey Stoner had a similar experience swapping his Ducati for a Honda.
Maybe Marc has some loyalty towards Honda for giving him a bike to win all the titles, for paying him the most that anyone has been paid and for sticking by his side through his injury spell even paying his full salary in 2020.
Edited by Dolph, 09 November 2022 - 01:56.
#4155
Posted 09 November 2022 - 02:05
That is seriously depressing to be honest. I really hope they sort things out by the Sepang tests. Otherwise we're in for another season of DucatiGP.
No problem.
#4156
Posted 09 November 2022 - 05:21
Hondas policy of bringing young engineers through has bitten them before. One bad bike does not prove them wrong - but more than one season of bad bikes should send them back to already proven design staff.
I don't know how long any given engineer or design team has to prove themselves but they must surely be looking at alternatives already.
The Suzuki development time and money is not lost. It's in peoples memories and I'm sure there will be the odd paper come out eventually.
Remember quite a few years ago reading about the way Ducati worked long term, thinking this will be a problem (from a Honda fan perspective). You can not show up with a new bike, you can not radically change something and be on the top of your game, you have to build from the ground up, build on something solid.
Honda are trying to patch up a bad bike, to get back to the top quickly. It will not work.
Marques can take a bad bike and win on it, but Honda should not settle for that, especially as riders can move on. I guess too late for Marquez, as Honda will not be a consistent challenger next year or the year after. Quatararo and Marquez have to override and will be more prone to accidents.
#4157
Posted 09 November 2022 - 10:20
If only that were possible. What a waste that bikes capable of winning are just going to sit there - all that wasted development
Haven't Suzuki announced that besides one or two bikes destined for museums, everything else will be completely destroyed?
#4158
Posted 09 November 2022 - 12:25
Hondas policy of bringing young engineers through has bitten them before. One bad bike does not prove them wrong - but more than one season of bad bikes should send them back to already proven design staff...
For the company, it's better for young engineers to fail on racing bikes than on production bikes.
#4159
Posted 09 November 2022 - 16:00
Quartararo and Marquez already extremely disappointed after testing the new parts. They expected much more.
What a bummer.
But that silly Marc on another bike dream I have does live on...
#4161
Posted 10 November 2022 - 10:45
Quartararo and Marquez already extremely disappointed after testing the new parts. They expected much more.
We can only hope this is Honda/Yamaha strategy to tell Ducati "hey, don't delevop too much!"
#4162
Posted 10 November 2022 - 10:47
RIP Keith Farmer who has passed away suddenly.
Oh no, that's shocking
https://www.motorcyc...th-farmer-dies/
#4163
Posted 10 November 2022 - 11:05
Jesus, what a tragedy. So, so sad..RIP Keith Farmer who has passed away suddenly.
#4164
Posted 10 November 2022 - 15:44
Incredibly sad news about Keith. Has been such a tragic time recently for so many.
#4165
Posted 10 November 2022 - 20:55
#4166
Posted 10 November 2022 - 21:42
Every other rider seems to be very happy the second they get off that Honda. I'd really love to see what Marc could do on another bike.
You just have the impression if he was on the Ducati it could be the most one sided season in history.
If a fit Marc was on any of the recent Ducati's think we would be looking at total domination every season without the injuries he caused his self over riding that Honda to get results.
#4167
Posted 10 November 2022 - 23:34
What Marc has done on the recent Hondas is absolutely stunning - been watching motorsport, two wheels and four, since 2003 and the most impressive feat(s) I've seen in all that time is a one-armed Marquez winning three races in half a season in 2021.
It's actually a little bit scary to think about what he'd be like on a modern day Ducati.
#4168
Posted 11 November 2022 - 05:04
I have already resigned to the fact that Marc soon will leave Honda. I don't think that in this day and age, there is possible with quick fixes, the competition is too fierce. Honda will need time to make a new concept and develop it. Marc does not have the time to wait. Will be the same feeling as when Valentino went to Yamaha. 24 or 25, he will be gone.
#4169
Posted 11 November 2022 - 08:39
Manufacturers Championship
Ducati 448
Yamaha 256
Aprilia 248
KTM 240
Suzuki 199
Honda 155
Most notable thing for me there, other than Honda's woeful performance is that Fabio scored 248 of Yamaha's 256 points. Of those 8 other points, Cal scored more than Franco (5-3) in his handful of races.
#4170
Posted 11 November 2022 - 13:08
What Marc has done on the recent Hondas is absolutely stunning - been watching motorsport, two wheels and four, since 2003 and the most impressive feat(s) I've seen in all that time is a one-armed Marquez winning three races in half a season in 2021.
It's actually a little bit scary to think about what he'd be like on a modern day Ducati.
Why didn't he win in 2022 ?
#4171
Posted 11 November 2022 - 13:12
Most notable thing for me there, other than Honda's woeful performance is that Fabio scored 248 of Yamaha's 256 points. Of those 8 other points, Cal scored more than Franco (5-3) in his handful of races.
If that isn't a solid base for the next negotiation of salary round, I don't know what is
#4172
Posted 11 November 2022 - 14:47
Manufacturers Championship
Ducati 448
Yamaha 256
Aprilia 248
KTM 240
Suzuki 199
Honda 155
Most notable thing for me there, other than Honda's woeful performance is that Fabio scored 248 of Yamaha's 256 points. Of those 8 other points, Cal scored more than Franco (5-3) in his handful of races.
Yet, in the 6 races they both did Morbidelli beat Cal 4 times and outscored him 16 to 10 over the 6 races. I'm not saying it was a great performance from Franco, but parsing out who contributed constructor points is possibly the worst way to analyse their relative performances.
#4173
Posted 12 November 2022 - 00:23
Yet, in the 6 races they both did Morbidelli beat Cal 4 times and outscored him 16 to 10 over the 6 races. I'm not saying it was a great performance from Franco, but parsing out who contributed constructor points is possibly the worst way to analyse their relative performances.
I wasn't suggesting that it meant Cal out-performed Franco, though that is arguable, I was just throwing it in as an interesting stat.
The fact Occon will probably outscore Alonso in F1 this year does show that you can't always rely on stats...
Edited by DS27, 12 November 2022 - 09:08.
#4174
Posted 12 November 2022 - 03:13
I really really hope Alex does well and lures Marc to Duacti.
#4175
Posted 12 November 2022 - 10:08
#4176
Posted 12 November 2022 - 10:54
Why didn't he win in 2022 ?
The 2022 bike performance no longer allows him to make enough of a difference to be able to fight for wins. Although he came very close in Philip Island.
#4177
Posted 13 November 2022 - 02:53
#4178
Posted 13 November 2022 - 08:22
Good job by Bautista, he has now exorcized the memories of 2019. Very consistent and great on the tyres.
#4179
Posted 13 November 2022 - 08:46
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#4180
Posted 13 November 2022 - 13:30
And with that, our last Moto Champion of the year is crowned - Congratulations to Bautista for cutting off the past and being faultless all season long. He was the most consistent rider and thus offering Ducati their first Championship since Checa's 2011 triumph and an unforgettable year at the echelon of Bike Racing with both WSBK and MotoGP laurels. Great to see Ciabatti and Dall'Igna there as well celebrating in Mandalika. Amazing.
#4181
Posted 13 November 2022 - 15:00
Another warning shot fired. This is the writing on the wall.
https://www.crash.ne...a-don-t-improve
Ducati bikes are so good, they don't need Marc.
How tasty would a Fabio / Marc combination be at Yamaha though?
#4182
Posted 13 November 2022 - 15:14
Amazing season for Bautista and Ducati.
Finished what they started in 2019 season.
Mamma mia!
Edited by thegamer23, 13 November 2022 - 15:14.
#4183
Posted 13 November 2022 - 19:06
Very pleased for Bautista, he very much deserves it. Wished I didn't have to hear the sour grapes from Redding and Co this weekend though. If weight was the be all and end all, then Pedrosa would have been a multiple Moto GP World Champion.
Toprak should be on the Moto GP Yamaha next year. It's insane that they didn't make this happen, and if he never does go to GP (rumours of Martin to factory Yamaha in 2024) then it is criminal.
#4184
Posted 17 November 2022 - 10:50
Tetsuta Nagashima to replace Iker Lecuona for WorldSBK season-finale
https://www.crash.ne...bk-seasonfinale
Somewhat interesting as he also has done some MotoGP, to see how he stack up in WSBK.
Edited by Nova, 17 November 2022 - 10:50.
#4185
Posted 17 November 2022 - 12:54
Good stuff, congrats Alvaro Bautista. And congrats Dorna for putting on a good show.
#4186
Posted 18 November 2022 - 11:30
https://www.crash.ne...-more-difficult
Pretty good start by Nagashima, already faster than Vierge. Lets see how the race pans out.
#4187
Posted 18 November 2022 - 11:46
He's no rookie to Superbikes though, he, along with his team mates, only recently won the Suzuka 8 hours.https://www.crash.ne...-more-difficult
Pretty good start by Nagashima, already faster than Vierge. Lets see how the race pans out.
#4188
Posted 21 November 2022 - 16:24
So many people rating Bagnaia as the top rider of the year in this thread. Goes to show the recency bias people have cause he only just won the title over a rider who rode a bike that, aside from FQ, only once finished better than 10th during the entire 20 race season. It's a shame for Quartararo that his bad races were all concentrated at the end of the season cause if they were near the start or spread out evenly over the year I have no doubt everyone would agree he was the rider of the season. To me it was still one of the greatest seasons I've seen anyone put together in MotoGP even despite the mistakes. Even Marquez at his very best gave up close to 50 points in errors in his best seasons. I'm not sure Fabio gave up much more than that despite needing to push much harder on a worse bike in a season with several more races.
#4189
Posted 21 November 2022 - 16:33
Every other rider seems to be very happy the second they get off that Honda. I'd really love to see what Marc could do on another bike.
You just have the impression if he was on the Ducati it could be the most one sided season in history.
I really doubt it. I think if Honda produced a bike (with similar characteristics to the current bike) that the other Honda riders could be somewhat competitive with, then he would totally dominate the season. I also feel that Quartararo would do the same if Yamaha could produce a competitive bike with the same riding characteristics as their current bike. If you put either rider on the Ducati I highly doubt they'd dominate everything though. The Ducati is just too rider friendly and everyone who gets on it is fast. Those two might still be easily the best if they were on that bike but I doubt they'd totally dominate every race on it
#4190
Posted 22 November 2022 - 11:30
Announcement from the Rouse family that they wish Dom Herbertson to continue with the Chasin The Racing podcast following Chrissy's death last month.
(1) Chasin’ the Racin’ Podcast (@motorbikepod) / Twitter
Whilst it won't be the same, I think it will be good for the family to know that something Chrissy built will not die and also good for Dom who must've suffered terribly.
I'm hoping they might get Christian Iddon in to help Dom but we'll see.
#4191
Posted 22 November 2022 - 11:45
Sound's like Grace was the prime mover. Very pleased that Chrissy's idea will continue. Deano came across well too.Announcement from the Rouse family that they wish Dom Herbertson to continue with the Chasin The Racing podcast following Chrissy's death last month.
(1) Chasin’ the Racin’ Podcast (@motorbikepod) / Twitter
Whilst it won't be the same, I think it will be good for the family to know that something Chrissy built will not die and also good for Dom who must've suffered terribly.
I'm hoping they might get Christian Iddon in to help Dom but we'll see.
#4192
Posted 22 November 2022 - 12:05
Wonder if they'll release the final podcast with Chrissy, I think I read that it was with Josh Owens .
#4193
Posted 20 December 2022 - 19:40
#4194
Posted 26 December 2022 - 13:22
To me, it is a done deal that Marc will leave Honda at the first opportunity he gets.
https://www.crash.ne...ucati-different
Don't blame him, of course the best riders want to ride the best bike. Honda is not competitive at all, and will not be during a whole season for a few years at best.
#4195
Posted 27 December 2022 - 18:07
To me, it is a done deal that Marc will leave Honda at the first opportunity he gets.
https://www.crash.ne...ucati-different
Don't blame him, of course the best riders want to ride the best bike. Honda is not competitive at all, and will not be during a whole season for a few years at best.
It makes sense for Marc to leave if Honda continue to flounder, of course. But I wonder if there's a case for Ducati not to hire him.
He is yet to prove that he is his old self, and even if that was the case, it may well destroy any semblance of team harmony. Next year's factory line-up looks like fireworks as is.
Would catering to his style, as he would surely demand, mean that nobody else in the Ducati roster could ride the bike competitively?
The risk would be that he goes somewhere like Aprilia, where building the team around Marc makes a lot more sense. But I am sure that the necessary strings would be pulled if he wants to ride the red bike.
#4196
Posted 27 December 2022 - 23:41
I found this quite an interesting podcast. Lots of technical details on the Ducati discussed that I never noticed or thought of.
Podcast: The science of MotoGP aero and Ducati's domination - The Race (the-race.com)
#4197
Posted 28 December 2022 - 11:32
I found this quite an interesting podcast. Lots of technical details on the Ducati discussed that I never noticed or thought of.
Podcast: The science of MotoGP aero and Ducati's domination - The Race (the-race.com)
Listening to that is definitely on my agenda for the next few lazy days.